“Zieke ambtenaren later met pensioen” dat zullen de fake burnouts niet graag horen
En nu moeten allemaal rijke ambtenaren beslissen of ze dit gaan invoeren… Dit gaat nooit gebeuren!
Ze hebben nog maar juist alcohol verbannen uit de kantine van het Vlaams parlement… Da’s al genoeg afzien voor de hardwerkende ambtenaar.
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Lots of unfounded hate in here. If it’s all so wonderful and cash was just there to be scooped up, one would expect long lines to try and join the ranks.
Alas.
Meer 60-plussers aan het werk?
Er zijn kweet niet hoeveel 55-ers die ontslagen worden omdat ze te ‘duur’ (lees: oud) zijn en aan geen ander werk kunnen geraken. Die zijn praktisch al met pensioen. Enkel als statutair ambtenair heb je 100% garantie dat je kunt blijven werken tot jouw pensioen en bij mijn weten zijn er niet zoveel organisaties en bedrijven die nog statutaire ambtscontracten aanbieden…
Op ambtenaren bashen werkt altijd. Er wordt al 10j bespaard op het ambtenarenapparaat maar blijven snijden hoor.
The article in English:
Minister Lalieux has new pension proposal ready and takes civil service pension into focus
Minister of Pensions Karine Lalieux (PS) has six new proposals ready to keep pension plans affordable. So writes “Het Nieuwsblad” and the news was confirmed to VRT NWS. According to Lalieux’s cabinet, the proposals will be discussed in the council of ministers in the next three weeks. Among other things, the minister wants to do something about linking civil service pensions to salaries and also proposes to fine companies that employ too few over-60s.
How will our country keep pension reform affordable? An important question, because in the absence of such an affordable plan, the European Union is withholding 850 million euros in relief aid. The Commission is mainly falling over the pension bonus from last summer’s pension plan, which would be too expensive. That is why Minister of Pensions Karine Lalieux (PS) is coming up with six new proposals to keep the federal government’s pension plan affordable.
The Council of Ministers is scheduled to consider them over the next three weeks so that knots can be struck at the end of this month or early next month.
Noteworthy: Lalieux shows a willingness to do something about linking civil service pensions to civil servants’ salaries, so far a sacred house for the PS. There would be a ceiling for the pension bonus, and employers who employ too few over-60s would be fined. Discover below the six proposals from the Pensions Minister.
Perequation is not a taboo subject. Lalieux wants to adjust the mechanism whereby civil service pensions rise along with civil servants’ salaries. She wants to cap this increase at a maximum of 0.5 percent. For the very highest civil service pensions, there would be an increase with a maximum flat rate.
Higher tax on high supplementary pension. Those with statutory pensions pay 31 percent taxes on them. Because of the tax break, the supplementary pension is only 10 percent. Lalieux wants to eliminate this “fiscal injustice” by levying higher taxes on those who have accumulated high capital for their supplementary pension.
Keeping more over-60s working. Keeping more people working longer is the recipe for keeping pensions affordable. This is also a responsibility of employers, according to Lalieux. Because there is room for improvement there, she wants to fine employers who employ too few people over 60.
Early retirement for those who have worked 42 years. The minister wants equal criteria for early retirement for everyone.
Sick civil servants retire later. Now civil servants can be retired early in cases of long-term illness, which de facto often puts them out of the job market for good. Lalieux therefore wants to extend the 2-year temporary sick pension to prevent those people from being shunted out.
Equal access to minimum pension for all. After the amount for the minimum pension, Lalieux now wants to equalize access to it. That should mean 30 years worked for everyone, instead of 30 years for workers or the self-employed now and 20 years for civil servants.
“I hope people see the plan as a whole,” Lalieux let our editors know. “I have tried to create balances. Equilibria to strengthen employment, but I also want more rapprochement. Rapprochement between the different systems is what I have been asked to do, so between the self-employed, workers and civil servants. And I reform perequation. That was a taboo for the PS, but at the same time I ask for more solidarity between high and low pensions.”
First reactions
Initial reactions to the plans do not sound positive. CD&V chairman Sammy Mahdi has problems with possible sanctions for companies that do not employ enough people over 60. “Fining a company, going to impose quotas and patronize it seems to me to be going to produce completely the opposite effect than what it should,” Mahdi said.
“These are old socialist recipes, but those don’t seem to me to be the recipes we can use to encourage people to work.” Mahdi likes to profile his party as the party for the elderly and does not think it is okay to associate them with “negative” fines. He sees more in rewarding rather than punishing.
“Employers especially more incentivized to hire older workers”
Deputy Prime Minister Petra De Sutter (Groen) says she is a cool lover of the effective employment condition for early retirement because it threatens to penalize mainly part-time workers – often women. “Therefore, this is only negotiable if we count that condition in days over the entire career and not in days per year,” she says. That, she says, must be done within a framework of early retirement after 42 career years.
De Sutter is also not enthusiastic about the proposal to fine employers if they do not employ enough people over 60. “Employers especially should have more of an incentive to hire older workers” she thinks is better.
Employers should be encouraged to hire experienced workers
Danny Van Assche (UNIZO)
We hear a similar sound from employers. “It makes no sense to turn early retirement, landing jobs a quasi right, but on the other hand to fine companies if they employ too few people,” said Pieter Timmermans of the Federation of Belgian Enterprises FEB in “De ochtend” on Radio 1.
“The challenge of keeping or getting over-60s active in the labor market requires a stimulating and inter-sectoral policy, not a penalty system,” also believes Danny Van Assche of middle class organization UNIZO. “Retiring early should no longer be encouraged and employers should be encouraged to engage with experienced workers.”
Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
Ok dus de plannen zijn:
* Perequatie ) grotendeelds behouden
* meer belastingen op “de rijken”
* meer 60 plussers aan het werk als de pensioeleeftijd 65-67 is? euh…
* mensen vroeger op pensioen laten gaan
* vestzak broekzak operatie door langurig zieken langer als ziek te beschouwen en niet “op pensioen”
* ambtenaren langer laten werken voor minimumpenioen.
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Tja 1 die tegengesteld werkt, 2 die niks doen of zelfs niet over pensioen gaan,1extra belasting en 2 minieme veranderingen.
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EN dit nadat ze juist de pensioenen verhoogde en het gegarandeerde minimumpensioen invoerde
Pensioenkapitalen zwaarder belasten… maar vanaf welk punt precies? Er zijn vandaag al mechanismes voor overdreven extralegaal pensioen, dus ik mag dan hopen dat je eigen pensioen sparen niet wordt afgestraft. Want we hebben dat mechanisme nodig.
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Ambtenarenstaking en vakbondsbetoging in 3…2….1….
“Zieke ambtenaren later met pensioen” dat zullen de fake burnouts niet graag horen
En nu moeten allemaal rijke ambtenaren beslissen of ze dit gaan invoeren… Dit gaat nooit gebeuren!
Ze hebben nog maar juist alcohol verbannen uit de kantine van het Vlaams parlement… Da’s al genoeg afzien voor de hardwerkende ambtenaar.
[deleted]
Lots of unfounded hate in here. If it’s all so wonderful and cash was just there to be scooped up, one would expect long lines to try and join the ranks.
Alas.
Meer 60-plussers aan het werk?
Er zijn kweet niet hoeveel 55-ers die ontslagen worden omdat ze te ‘duur’ (lees: oud) zijn en aan geen ander werk kunnen geraken. Die zijn praktisch al met pensioen. Enkel als statutair ambtenair heb je 100% garantie dat je kunt blijven werken tot jouw pensioen en bij mijn weten zijn er niet zoveel organisaties en bedrijven die nog statutaire ambtscontracten aanbieden…
Op ambtenaren bashen werkt altijd. Er wordt al 10j bespaard op het ambtenarenapparaat maar blijven snijden hoor.
The article in English:
Minister Lalieux has new pension proposal ready and takes civil service pension into focus
Minister of Pensions Karine Lalieux (PS) has six new proposals ready to keep pension plans affordable. So writes “Het Nieuwsblad” and the news was confirmed to VRT NWS. According to Lalieux’s cabinet, the proposals will be discussed in the council of ministers in the next three weeks. Among other things, the minister wants to do something about linking civil service pensions to salaries and also proposes to fine companies that employ too few over-60s.
How will our country keep pension reform affordable? An important question, because in the absence of such an affordable plan, the European Union is withholding 850 million euros in relief aid. The Commission is mainly falling over the pension bonus from last summer’s pension plan, which would be too expensive. That is why Minister of Pensions Karine Lalieux (PS) is coming up with six new proposals to keep the federal government’s pension plan affordable.
The Council of Ministers is scheduled to consider them over the next three weeks so that knots can be struck at the end of this month or early next month.
Noteworthy: Lalieux shows a willingness to do something about linking civil service pensions to civil servants’ salaries, so far a sacred house for the PS. There would be a ceiling for the pension bonus, and employers who employ too few over-60s would be fined. Discover below the six proposals from the Pensions Minister.
Perequation is not a taboo subject. Lalieux wants to adjust the mechanism whereby civil service pensions rise along with civil servants’ salaries. She wants to cap this increase at a maximum of 0.5 percent. For the very highest civil service pensions, there would be an increase with a maximum flat rate.
Higher tax on high supplementary pension. Those with statutory pensions pay 31 percent taxes on them. Because of the tax break, the supplementary pension is only 10 percent. Lalieux wants to eliminate this “fiscal injustice” by levying higher taxes on those who have accumulated high capital for their supplementary pension.
Keeping more over-60s working. Keeping more people working longer is the recipe for keeping pensions affordable. This is also a responsibility of employers, according to Lalieux. Because there is room for improvement there, she wants to fine employers who employ too few people over 60.
Early retirement for those who have worked 42 years. The minister wants equal criteria for early retirement for everyone.
Sick civil servants retire later. Now civil servants can be retired early in cases of long-term illness, which de facto often puts them out of the job market for good. Lalieux therefore wants to extend the 2-year temporary sick pension to prevent those people from being shunted out.
Equal access to minimum pension for all. After the amount for the minimum pension, Lalieux now wants to equalize access to it. That should mean 30 years worked for everyone, instead of 30 years for workers or the self-employed now and 20 years for civil servants.
“I hope people see the plan as a whole,” Lalieux let our editors know. “I have tried to create balances. Equilibria to strengthen employment, but I also want more rapprochement. Rapprochement between the different systems is what I have been asked to do, so between the self-employed, workers and civil servants. And I reform perequation. That was a taboo for the PS, but at the same time I ask for more solidarity between high and low pensions.”
First reactions
Initial reactions to the plans do not sound positive. CD&V chairman Sammy Mahdi has problems with possible sanctions for companies that do not employ enough people over 60. “Fining a company, going to impose quotas and patronize it seems to me to be going to produce completely the opposite effect than what it should,” Mahdi said.
“These are old socialist recipes, but those don’t seem to me to be the recipes we can use to encourage people to work.” Mahdi likes to profile his party as the party for the elderly and does not think it is okay to associate them with “negative” fines. He sees more in rewarding rather than punishing.
“Employers especially more incentivized to hire older workers”
Deputy Prime Minister Petra De Sutter (Groen) says she is a cool lover of the effective employment condition for early retirement because it threatens to penalize mainly part-time workers – often women. “Therefore, this is only negotiable if we count that condition in days over the entire career and not in days per year,” she says. That, she says, must be done within a framework of early retirement after 42 career years.
De Sutter is also not enthusiastic about the proposal to fine employers if they do not employ enough people over 60. “Employers especially should have more of an incentive to hire older workers” she thinks is better.
Employers should be encouraged to hire experienced workers
Danny Van Assche (UNIZO)
We hear a similar sound from employers. “It makes no sense to turn early retirement, landing jobs a quasi right, but on the other hand to fine companies if they employ too few people,” said Pieter Timmermans of the Federation of Belgian Enterprises FEB in “De ochtend” on Radio 1.
“The challenge of keeping or getting over-60s active in the labor market requires a stimulating and inter-sectoral policy, not a penalty system,” also believes Danny Van Assche of middle class organization UNIZO. “Retiring early should no longer be encouraged and employers should be encouraged to engage with experienced workers.”
Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
Ok dus de plannen zijn:
* Perequatie ) grotendeelds behouden
* meer belastingen op “de rijken”
* meer 60 plussers aan het werk als de pensioeleeftijd 65-67 is? euh…
* mensen vroeger op pensioen laten gaan
* vestzak broekzak operatie door langurig zieken langer als ziek te beschouwen en niet “op pensioen”
* ambtenaren langer laten werken voor minimumpenioen.
​
Tja 1 die tegengesteld werkt, 2 die niks doen of zelfs niet over pensioen gaan,1extra belasting en 2 minieme veranderingen.
​
EN dit nadat ze juist de pensioenen verhoogde en het gegarandeerde minimumpensioen invoerde
Pensioenkapitalen zwaarder belasten… maar vanaf welk punt precies? Er zijn vandaag al mechanismes voor overdreven extralegaal pensioen, dus ik mag dan hopen dat je eigen pensioen sparen niet wordt afgestraft. Want we hebben dat mechanisme nodig.