He cant admit it because people voted Brexit to control immigration, under some pretence that foreigns were stealing our jobs
The ol’ British way of throwing immigrants at a problem til it vanishes, but it never vanishes
Yes. Let’s import unlimited third world slave labour to help suppress wages and lower living standards for everyone!
neo-libs: we desperately need people to do work functionally below minimum wage, and have the ignorant bougewa left call anyone opposing us racist.
BS – Britain is desperate for employers who will pay a fair wage. Government could solve this through tax breaks for employers who pay a fair wage and balance this against unrequited benefits they would not have to pay.
Everyone wins except the greedy.
It’s interesting, because millions EU citizens retained their right to work and live here. So why did they leave?
The engineers I know left because of Rishi IR35 changes that prevented them from running their consulting business. But of course Brexit takes the blame, as it is convenient for the government and people stop thinking once the hear B word.
Those EU engineers couldn’t care less about Brexit, but they cared about how much money they could make.
Now you can open up immigration all you want, but good luck finding fools willing to pay such high taxes, deal with mountains of bureaucracy and then get nothing in return.
Burglary? Stop bothering the police. Health problem? You have an appointment in two years. Bins? Nah, foxes will take care of them and so on.
Country is being looted by big corporations and Conservatives are facilitating this.
Who were the 1 million (500k net) immigrants that entered the UK last year?!
It’s not the answer. Paying people better fucking wages is the answer.
Nobody factors into this the big pension hole caused by not having foreign workers in who won’t take out/haven’t cost us to raise to a working age etc.
Brexit being tooted as the fix to low wages was always comical. The government always had the power to address it, but didn’t.
Schrodingers unemployed…. Nobody wants to work look at the unemployment. Government likes to keep the unemployed over 3% as a tool to slow inflation and is increasing the numbers
Can the guardian go a week without trying to push for even more mass immigration? is half a million net a year still not enough?
Its simply unsustainable, and only the plebs have to deal with the consequences. Keep building that pyramid higher I guess, line must go up!
The only other option is to pay natives enough to want to do the jobs. Or slavery. Let’s see what he edges towards
Those that aren’t working, make them work. Those that are working, making them get 2nd jobs and work harder.
New campaign slogan – Make the lazy work harder!
Prepare to be replaced by robots!
/s
Yes, fuck the social and environmental consequences. More immigration to keep everyones wages low and rent high
What needs to happen is for a complete and utter reset in this country, the Tories and Labour are only offering more neoliberalism with Labour only promising to lower the heat on it, but not turning it off completely.
Immigration cannot be the solution, in fact it’s going to cause problems down the line, we need to help young people and families to get on in life, a better work life balance (4 day week with shifts of Mon-Thurs, Tues-Fri)
What is being promoted is basically a new lower working class consisting of third world migrants
It’s immigration or better pay, although he currently wants neither. F the Tories
This problem is a skills-based one. Since early 2000s, UK companies have given up on training anybody to do anything, since it’s so much cheaper to employ a fully skilled immigrant and export the training costs to another country. Hence we have a fair number of 18-35 yos without any professional training and without much chance of a decent job.
But hey, Go Immigration, yay!
We have over a million job vacancies but 1 in 8 on out-of-work benefits. The problem isn’t a lack of people to do the jobs, it’s a problem of bone idleness and taxes so high that it disincentives work.
If they want to reduce smoking, they raise taxes.
If they want to reduce drinking, they raise taxes.
If they want to reduce driving, they raise taxes and fuel duty.
What does this suggest about income tax?
However, not desperate enough for wages to rise or for firms to start training the people the need. No, just the right amount of “desperate” that makes that not happen but us also “need” workers from elsewhere.
Hear me out. Immigration is just a stop gap. It’s a useful tool but isn’t the answer to our prayers.
What is an answer to our prayers is proper investment into the UK. Create good paying jobs that can support families and actually make work pay instead of 58% of UC claimants being in work.
Give workers stable, decent, fair paying jobs and watch your birthrates increase dramatically. Then in 18 years time and going forward from then, you will have a good work force that can pay for all your old people’s pensions and healthcare.
I know it sounds easy on paper, but it is harder in reality. We don’t really produce anything, we are a service economy. We need to change that going forward if we aren’t going to be in the EU….to provide service.
As it stands were just going to be some isolated money-laundering banana republic. One where the cost of living is so high that it’s native workforce can’t live there comfortably and instead the country relies on poverty stricken foreigners to do the bulk of it’s work.
If britain is so desperate for workers why are the wages so low.
Wish it was, trying to move to the UK to live with my bf but it has been really tough finding a job that qualifies for a worker visa. I only have extensive warehouse experience, and sadly they aren’t looking for those people.
Guardian on the side of cheap exploited labour….who’d have thought it!
What planet is the guardian on? We issued 1.1 million visas in a single year. If that is not the answer already, what is?
We let 1 million people in last year, how many more do you want?
Years of stigmatising basic working class employment has convinced the british public that they’re above these jobs.
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How about investing in the people who already live in the UK instead? You know, the people you have an obligation to serve?
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He cant admit it because people voted Brexit to control immigration, under some pretence that foreigns were stealing our jobs
The ol’ British way of throwing immigrants at a problem til it vanishes, but it never vanishes
Yes. Let’s import unlimited third world slave labour to help suppress wages and lower living standards for everyone!
neo-libs: we desperately need people to do work functionally below minimum wage, and have the ignorant bougewa left call anyone opposing us racist.
BS – Britain is desperate for employers who will pay a fair wage. Government could solve this through tax breaks for employers who pay a fair wage and balance this against unrequited benefits they would not have to pay.
Everyone wins except the greedy.
It’s interesting, because millions EU citizens retained their right to work and live here. So why did they leave?
The engineers I know left because of Rishi IR35 changes that prevented them from running their consulting business. But of course Brexit takes the blame, as it is convenient for the government and people stop thinking once the hear B word.
Those EU engineers couldn’t care less about Brexit, but they cared about how much money they could make.
Now you can open up immigration all you want, but good luck finding fools willing to pay such high taxes, deal with mountains of bureaucracy and then get nothing in return.
Burglary? Stop bothering the police. Health problem? You have an appointment in two years. Bins? Nah, foxes will take care of them and so on.
Country is being looted by big corporations and Conservatives are facilitating this.
Who were the 1 million (500k net) immigrants that entered the UK last year?!
It’s not the answer. Paying people better fucking wages is the answer.
Nobody factors into this the big pension hole caused by not having foreign workers in who won’t take out/haven’t cost us to raise to a working age etc.
Brexit being tooted as the fix to low wages was always comical. The government always had the power to address it, but didn’t.
Schrodingers unemployed…. Nobody wants to work look at the unemployment. Government likes to keep the unemployed over 3% as a tool to slow inflation and is increasing the numbers
Can the guardian go a week without trying to push for even more mass immigration? is half a million net a year still not enough?
Its simply unsustainable, and only the plebs have to deal with the consequences. Keep building that pyramid higher I guess, line must go up!
The only other option is to pay natives enough to want to do the jobs. Or slavery. Let’s see what he edges towards
Those that aren’t working, make them work. Those that are working, making them get 2nd jobs and work harder.
New campaign slogan – Make the lazy work harder!
Prepare to be replaced by robots!
/s
Yes, fuck the social and environmental consequences. More immigration to keep everyones wages low and rent high
What needs to happen is for a complete and utter reset in this country, the Tories and Labour are only offering more neoliberalism with Labour only promising to lower the heat on it, but not turning it off completely.
Immigration cannot be the solution, in fact it’s going to cause problems down the line, we need to help young people and families to get on in life, a better work life balance (4 day week with shifts of Mon-Thurs, Tues-Fri)
What is being promoted is basically a new lower working class consisting of third world migrants
It’s immigration or better pay, although he currently wants neither. F the Tories
This problem is a skills-based one. Since early 2000s, UK companies have given up on training anybody to do anything, since it’s so much cheaper to employ a fully skilled immigrant and export the training costs to another country. Hence we have a fair number of 18-35 yos without any professional training and without much chance of a decent job.
But hey, Go Immigration, yay!
We have over a million job vacancies but 1 in 8 on out-of-work benefits. The problem isn’t a lack of people to do the jobs, it’s a problem of bone idleness and taxes so high that it disincentives work.
If they want to reduce smoking, they raise taxes.
If they want to reduce drinking, they raise taxes.
If they want to reduce driving, they raise taxes and fuel duty.
What does this suggest about income tax?
However, not desperate enough for wages to rise or for firms to start training the people the need. No, just the right amount of “desperate” that makes that not happen but us also “need” workers from elsewhere.
Hear me out. Immigration is just a stop gap. It’s a useful tool but isn’t the answer to our prayers.
What is an answer to our prayers is proper investment into the UK. Create good paying jobs that can support families and actually make work pay instead of 58% of UC claimants being in work.
Give workers stable, decent, fair paying jobs and watch your birthrates increase dramatically. Then in 18 years time and going forward from then, you will have a good work force that can pay for all your old people’s pensions and healthcare.
I know it sounds easy on paper, but it is harder in reality. We don’t really produce anything, we are a service economy. We need to change that going forward if we aren’t going to be in the EU….to provide service.
As it stands were just going to be some isolated money-laundering banana republic. One where the cost of living is so high that it’s native workforce can’t live there comfortably and instead the country relies on poverty stricken foreigners to do the bulk of it’s work.
If britain is so desperate for workers why are the wages so low.
Wish it was, trying to move to the UK to live with my bf but it has been really tough finding a job that qualifies for a worker visa. I only have extensive warehouse experience, and sadly they aren’t looking for those people.
Guardian on the side of cheap exploited labour….who’d have thought it!
What planet is the guardian on? We issued 1.1 million visas in a single year. If that is not the answer already, what is?
We let 1 million people in last year, how many more do you want?
Years of stigmatising basic working class employment has convinced the british public that they’re above these jobs.
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How about investing in the people who already live in the UK instead? You know, the people you have an obligation to serve?