Recording people, their age, gender, movement and what for? To increase shop revenue. Like come on..
Yeah, screw that idea.
This is legal? This madness should be stopped immediately.
Count on me to paint those cams if they ever do that.
Yeah, what the actual fuck.
For fairness reasons we the people demand that whoever promoted this idea need to be transparent in who they are, where they live and how they commute, so that the people can use it in their interest to directly communicate their thoughts. Don’t worry the data will be as safe as our data with them.
Das sind so die Momänt, wo di frogsch, warums kei labenslangi vrwahrig git für so zügs. Em absoluti Frächheit sowas überhaupt z’vrlange.
pitchforks and torches…
Don‘t really care if they get that from me tbh but I can see why some people dislike it. The reason for that is a complete joke though. If it was for a good cause like finding missing persons or something it would be different but of course it‘s just about money. Fuck SBB
Why not just employ some a-c-t-u-a-l architects who make train stations where people really want to be?
I don’t want to spend my time in the depressive concrete blocks SBB builds, I want to spend my time in the marvellous Belle-Epoche structures they built before.
But for that you don’t need AI or cameras, but just some taste and common sense!
This madness has to be stopped in its cradle.
Nice, i always wanted to live in a dystopic society where i need to wear cap/hoodie with infrared leds…
i swear one day the SBB is gonna overthrow the government
I don`t understand why they need facial regocnition for what they are saying what they want to do. Mayve somebody that understand this stuff can explain. They want to count wich people go were and understand how people move true the staion. From what is in the artical but can they no do that no simply by looking at the coler of clothes and then follow the paths this way? Why would they need the face if the don`t connect it to a person? Unless this is just the first step and then later build up on that. I don`t like it. I may be naive but I don`t see a reason for SBB to collect these data beyond knowing patheways that peiple take wich could be done without facial.
No. No. No. No. No. I can’t count the many ways how horrible this idea is. The fact that police already use computerised facial recognition in some cantons is news to me and should also be stopped.
I don’t have a problem with normal security cameras to prevent crime but using facial recognition is a step too far.
Sus
Wtf sbb is supposed to be a train company, not a datamonger like google. Did some higher up misread his job description?
I’m sorry but how do you know this is true?
I see “K-tipp” as the only cited source.
How come no other news outlet has picked this up? It seems like major news of true. This is the biggest red flag.
Pour les romands?
A small taste of Chinese totalitarianism.
People are comparing Switzerland to China but we’re in a democracy and have democratic laws… It’s BS.
This is fake news. The cameras don’t use facial recognition. This fact was creatively added by ktipp and is now being spread.
The system in question will just follow a person’s path through the station and will not remember them once they leave the premises, only the walking path of the entity will be stored.
Can anyone explain please? Non german speaker here
The data protection problems left aside.
The SBB hopes to generate more income from the local stores at the train station. But in the Project will cost a lot, and is not sure this will be successful. In a few years ticket prises will rise again and SBB will talks something about track maintenance costs a lot, but in the end, it’s bullshit projects like this they wast money on.
Translation?
Stuff like this always creeps up on us. I don’t want an optimized shopping experience. Gtfo.
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To anyone reacting to this negatively: I hope you have an ad and tracker blocker in your browser, otherwise lol, lmao even.
But yeah, logically, this would mean I’d have to accept cookies before I walk into a train station. Fuck that
No thanks.
So i guess I will visit random shops at any SBB station and just ask the shop owner about their day and leave again. Additionally jaywalk around the whole station like a mad man. Also I guess I have to buy some extra big sunglasses, a bandana and some 🧢
stupid question, but aren’t bahnhof et.al. considered as publicly accessible spaces? afaik rules are a bit more strict regarding video surveillance in those areas…
Seriously, with the cost of the tickets, and now this?
No way in hell I am ever taking the SBB again! Private transport is the way to go, it’s less expensive, less intrusive, but worse for the environment. So you can pick between privacy or pollution… Great, thanks SBB !
The information is not correct. They dont use facial recognition.
The cameras will track the path people take through the station and identify walking patterns from point A to point B. But these will not be associated with a specific person or the identity of the person on camera.
Also, only the paths will be saved and analyzed, not the video with actual people on it.
Its actually astounding how k-tipp decided to publish this article with insufficient research.
Love how they are just masking it with “it’s to improve the commuter experience for all”. You just know some shady stuff will be done with the data, as always.
Sure wear a face mask and baggy clothing.
Odd stuff really.
The fuck what? Are they insane?
As much as I hate the idea, if it can make at least some inconsiderate jerks wear a mask when they’re coughing and sneezing in the train, I’m all in.
The SBB are delivering public service but are expected to behave like a normal entreprise on the free market. So they seek new income possibilities. Their impossible dilemma is made by federal law and must be undone by political intervention.
But for this, we need another majority in the parliament.
Hmm, I wouldn’t mind at all. Do it.
You want my data?
Fucking pay for it and make a contract
SBB chose the **worst** tine to come up with such a stupid idea if true. September 1st the new data privavy law will come into effect and our data privacy chief will have tools similiar to GDPR to rip assholes open. And it‘s about time he/she does it
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If it was China it would be an outrage
Recording people, their age, gender, movement and what for? To increase shop revenue. Like come on..
Yeah, screw that idea.
This is legal? This madness should be stopped immediately.
Count on me to paint those cams if they ever do that.
Yeah, what the actual fuck.
For fairness reasons we the people demand that whoever promoted this idea need to be transparent in who they are, where they live and how they commute, so that the people can use it in their interest to directly communicate their thoughts. Don’t worry the data will be as safe as our data with them.
Das sind so die Momänt, wo di frogsch, warums kei labenslangi vrwahrig git für so zügs. Em absoluti Frächheit sowas überhaupt z’vrlange.
pitchforks and torches…
Don‘t really care if they get that from me tbh but I can see why some people dislike it. The reason for that is a complete joke though. If it was for a good cause like finding missing persons or something it would be different but of course it‘s just about money. Fuck SBB
Time for a new look
https://cvdazzle.com/
Why not just employ some a-c-t-u-a-l architects who make train stations where people really want to be?
I don’t want to spend my time in the depressive concrete blocks SBB builds, I want to spend my time in the marvellous Belle-Epoche structures they built before.
But for that you don’t need AI or cameras, but just some taste and common sense!
This madness has to be stopped in its cradle.
Nice, i always wanted to live in a dystopic society where i need to wear cap/hoodie with infrared leds…
i swear one day the SBB is gonna overthrow the government
I don`t understand why they need facial regocnition for what they are saying what they want to do. Mayve somebody that understand this stuff can explain. They want to count wich people go were and understand how people move true the staion. From what is in the artical but can they no do that no simply by looking at the coler of clothes and then follow the paths this way? Why would they need the face if the don`t connect it to a person? Unless this is just the first step and then later build up on that. I don`t like it. I may be naive but I don`t see a reason for SBB to collect these data beyond knowing patheways that peiple take wich could be done without facial.
No. No. No. No. No. I can’t count the many ways how horrible this idea is. The fact that police already use computerised facial recognition in some cantons is news to me and should also be stopped.
I don’t have a problem with normal security cameras to prevent crime but using facial recognition is a step too far.
Sus
Wtf sbb is supposed to be a train company, not a datamonger like google. Did some higher up misread his job description?
I’m sorry but how do you know this is true?
I see “K-tipp” as the only cited source.
How come no other news outlet has picked this up? It seems like major news of true. This is the biggest red flag.
Pour les romands?
A small taste of Chinese totalitarianism.
People are comparing Switzerland to China but we’re in a democracy and have democratic laws… It’s BS.
This is fake news. The cameras don’t use facial recognition. This fact was creatively added by ktipp and is now being spread.
The system in question will just follow a person’s path through the station and will not remember them once they leave the premises, only the walking path of the entity will be stored.
Can anyone explain please? Non german speaker here
The data protection problems left aside.
The SBB hopes to generate more income from the local stores at the train station. But in the Project will cost a lot, and is not sure this will be successful. In a few years ticket prises will rise again and SBB will talks something about track maintenance costs a lot, but in the end, it’s bullshit projects like this they wast money on.
Translation?
Stuff like this always creeps up on us. I don’t want an optimized shopping experience. Gtfo.
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To anyone reacting to this negatively: I hope you have an ad and tracker blocker in your browser, otherwise lol, lmao even.
But yeah, logically, this would mean I’d have to accept cookies before I walk into a train station. Fuck that
No thanks.
So i guess I will visit random shops at any SBB station and just ask the shop owner about their day and leave again. Additionally jaywalk around the whole station like a mad man. Also I guess I have to buy some extra big sunglasses, a bandana and some 🧢
stupid question, but aren’t bahnhof et.al. considered as publicly accessible spaces? afaik rules are a bit more strict regarding video surveillance in those areas…
Seriously, with the cost of the tickets, and now this?
No way in hell I am ever taking the SBB again! Private transport is the way to go, it’s less expensive, less intrusive, but worse for the environment. So you can pick between privacy or pollution… Great, thanks SBB !
The information is not correct. They dont use facial recognition.
The cameras will track the path people take through the station and identify walking patterns from point A to point B. But these will not be associated with a specific person or the identity of the person on camera.
Also, only the paths will be saved and analyzed, not the video with actual people on it.
Its actually astounding how k-tipp decided to publish this article with insufficient research.
Love how they are just masking it with “it’s to improve the commuter experience for all”. You just know some shady stuff will be done with the data, as always.
Sure wear a face mask and baggy clothing.
Odd stuff really.
The fuck what? Are they insane?
As much as I hate the idea, if it can make at least some inconsiderate jerks wear a mask when they’re coughing and sneezing in the train, I’m all in.
The SBB are delivering public service but are expected to behave like a normal entreprise on the free market. So they seek new income possibilities. Their impossible dilemma is made by federal law and must be undone by political intervention.
But for this, we need another majority in the parliament.
Hmm, I wouldn’t mind at all. Do it.
You want my data?
Fucking pay for it and make a contract
SBB chose the **worst** tine to come up with such a stupid idea if true. September 1st the new data privavy law will come into effect and our data privacy chief will have tools similiar to GDPR to rip assholes open. And it‘s about time he/she does it