Edit:
From another comment.
>This seems to be a shady “news” site. Its Twitter accounts were banned for being spam, and the founder is known for his advertising companies and has been to prison.
The fact that 30% of Brazil’s fertiliser comes from Russia and agro is a major industry in Brazil, in my opinion, is the real driver behind Lula’s neutral and pacifist stance. For this, they could destabilise his congressional coalition and stall his policies.
Brazil even refused to re-sell ammunition to Germany
Brazil basically doesn’t give a fuck about EU. China is their biggest trading partner by far. Lula is a genius.
How we say in portuguese: Cá se fazem, cá se pagam. Germany had no business strongarming Brasil into giving amunitions to Ukraine and now it shows its true colours.
Brazilian here
1/3 of Brazil’s economy is based in agricultural exports and, for that, we rely on Russia’s fertilizers.
Taking actions based solely in a moral compass of what is “right” or “wrong” works in individual levels but, when you’re running a country in which nearly 200 million people live, you also have to think in a pragmatic way about what’s better for your people.
Europe is currently demanding support from Brasil, but offering zero alternatives for the problems that will inevitably arise in Brasil if we are, in fact, to directly oppose Russia in this conflict.
Saying that this is an individualistic behavior is, once again, materializing individual traits into something that’s not an individual, rather a large group of people that needs to fend for themselves and for their people. Most Brazilians oppose the war in Ukraine, and i’m pretty sure most of Brasil’s left hate putin and see him as a Russian Bolsonaro. Yet, we still think the west, in general, always feels entitled to our subservience, even if it costs us what’s left of our stability and international relevance.
I know this may sound harsh, but the reality is that, this is a war that doesn’t really affects us directly. If any, getting involved would actually throw us in a bottomless hole of social-political and economical chaos. It’s completely childish to believe we should completely dismantle our country, just to appease to whatever nations far away from us think it’s the right thing to do.
Honestly, I hope it was denied on merit and not as Revenge. True, Brazil has not been able to find it in their heart to support the suffering Ukrainian people but we should rise above that.
I love this new semi aggressive Germany.
Good
I very much doubt the veracity of this report. Germany usually does not act in this retaliatory manner. From a quick search it seems like the vehicles in question are made by a multinational corporation, Iveco, based in the Netherlands and merged from corporations in Germany, France and Italy. The main country of origin of the base vehicle seems to be Italy. So I am not sure, if German re-export permits are required, but that’s possible.
Another [source](https://www.defense-aerospace.com/germany-vetoes-guarani-armored-vehicle-export-to-the-philippines/) I found claims that a spokesperson for the BAFA (German agency for export controls) was not able to comment on this issue. If indeed such a permit was denied, I would much rather think that the reason for denial is the human rights situation in the Phillipines, rather than a retaliation for Gepard ammunition. It seems to me that the claim of Germany’s motivation for denial is pure spin.
Why is Ukrainian diaspora despite having much lower numbers, both absolute and relative, able to rally around European cities and get themselves seen, but not in Brazil?
oo
Don’t be dickheads.
Before applauding this “”spectacular””
political move, you need to see the role Brazil MAY have in this conflict.
This is a country who just came out of four years of semi-fascist incompetence and isolation, with Lula trying his best to kickstart relations between South America and the EU again.
“But if he wants to do that, then why isn’t he supporting Ukraine?”
Because he wants to be communication vessel between Russia and the EU.
China’s tried their hands on resolving the conflict as the first- which, expectedly or not, didn’t go very well, since a lot of the terms weren’t exactly acceptable and China is more on the side of Russia than that of the EU.
Brazil is a bit different. This is the BRICS country who, at least before, kept moderately decent connections to NATO, but also to Russia when discussing developing countries in the UN. When the China affair is over, he, as a neutral figure up until this point, will try to give it his own spin.
Should he not succeed, you can’t expect him to send arms en masse- Brazil’s coming out of a tight spot right now, and with the construction of the Amazon fund, it’s going to need all the money it can gather. But I am POSITIVE that if the discussions fail, Lula is taking Ukraine’s side- that is, if he doesn’t want to betray the slogan of his election.
TL;DR – Brazil most likely has a long-game plan for it to facilitate communication, so shitting on them already probably isn’t a good idea.
Fuck it, we deserve it. Lula’s position is incoherent and immoral.
Germany and the EU/uS should restrict investments/export/import to China and India, the biggest supporters of Putin
If they cant do that, that means they can only fry the small fish
Fvck Germany
Based germans.
Ah come on leave the Brazilians alone. South America has nothing to do with any of this. The US and Canada have willingly tied themselves to Europe as protector and ally respectively. That doesn’t mean the entirety of the new world are part of a community with Europe. The Latin American countries have their own affairs separate from ours. Leave them to there’s as they leave us to ours.
Lula and Bolsonaro have one thing in common: massive support for Russia. Each for different reasons: anti-USA for Lula, ultra-right ideas & money for Bolsonaro
what’s this [bnn.network](https://bnn.network) thing, never even heard of it.
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Love to see it. 💪
Edit:
From another comment.
>This seems to be a shady “news” site. Its Twitter accounts were banned for being spam, and the founder is known for his advertising companies and has been to prison.
The fact that 30% of Brazil’s fertiliser comes from Russia and agro is a major industry in Brazil, in my opinion, is the real driver behind Lula’s neutral and pacifist stance. For this, they could destabilise his congressional coalition and stall his policies.
Brazil even refused to re-sell ammunition to Germany
Brazil basically doesn’t give a fuck about EU. China is their biggest trading partner by far. Lula is a genius.
How we say in portuguese: Cá se fazem, cá se pagam. Germany had no business strongarming Brasil into giving amunitions to Ukraine and now it shows its true colours.
Brazilian here
1/3 of Brazil’s economy is based in agricultural exports and, for that, we rely on Russia’s fertilizers.
Taking actions based solely in a moral compass of what is “right” or “wrong” works in individual levels but, when you’re running a country in which nearly 200 million people live, you also have to think in a pragmatic way about what’s better for your people.
Europe is currently demanding support from Brasil, but offering zero alternatives for the problems that will inevitably arise in Brasil if we are, in fact, to directly oppose Russia in this conflict.
Saying that this is an individualistic behavior is, once again, materializing individual traits into something that’s not an individual, rather a large group of people that needs to fend for themselves and for their people. Most Brazilians oppose the war in Ukraine, and i’m pretty sure most of Brasil’s left hate putin and see him as a Russian Bolsonaro. Yet, we still think the west, in general, always feels entitled to our subservience, even if it costs us what’s left of our stability and international relevance.
I know this may sound harsh, but the reality is that, this is a war that doesn’t really affects us directly. If any, getting involved would actually throw us in a bottomless hole of social-political and economical chaos. It’s completely childish to believe we should completely dismantle our country, just to appease to whatever nations far away from us think it’s the right thing to do.
Honestly, I hope it was denied on merit and not as Revenge. True, Brazil has not been able to find it in their heart to support the suffering Ukrainian people but we should rise above that.
I love this new semi aggressive Germany.
Good
I very much doubt the veracity of this report. Germany usually does not act in this retaliatory manner. From a quick search it seems like the vehicles in question are made by a multinational corporation, Iveco, based in the Netherlands and merged from corporations in Germany, France and Italy. The main country of origin of the base vehicle seems to be Italy. So I am not sure, if German re-export permits are required, but that’s possible.
Another [source](https://www.defense-aerospace.com/germany-vetoes-guarani-armored-vehicle-export-to-the-philippines/) I found claims that a spokesperson for the BAFA (German agency for export controls) was not able to comment on this issue. If indeed such a permit was denied, I would much rather think that the reason for denial is the human rights situation in the Phillipines, rather than a retaliation for Gepard ammunition. It seems to me that the claim of Germany’s motivation for denial is pure spin.
Why is Ukrainian diaspora despite having much lower numbers, both absolute and relative, able to rally around European cities and get themselves seen, but not in Brazil?
oo
Don’t be dickheads.
Before applauding this “”spectacular””
political move, you need to see the role Brazil MAY have in this conflict.
This is a country who just came out of four years of semi-fascist incompetence and isolation, with Lula trying his best to kickstart relations between South America and the EU again.
“But if he wants to do that, then why isn’t he supporting Ukraine?”
Because he wants to be communication vessel between Russia and the EU.
China’s tried their hands on resolving the conflict as the first- which, expectedly or not, didn’t go very well, since a lot of the terms weren’t exactly acceptable and China is more on the side of Russia than that of the EU.
Brazil is a bit different. This is the BRICS country who, at least before, kept moderately decent connections to NATO, but also to Russia when discussing developing countries in the UN. When the China affair is over, he, as a neutral figure up until this point, will try to give it his own spin.
Should he not succeed, you can’t expect him to send arms en masse- Brazil’s coming out of a tight spot right now, and with the construction of the Amazon fund, it’s going to need all the money it can gather. But I am POSITIVE that if the discussions fail, Lula is taking Ukraine’s side- that is, if he doesn’t want to betray the slogan of his election.
TL;DR – Brazil most likely has a long-game plan for it to facilitate communication, so shitting on them already probably isn’t a good idea.
Fuck it, we deserve it. Lula’s position is incoherent and immoral.
Germany and the EU/uS should restrict investments/export/import to China and India, the biggest supporters of Putin
If they cant do that, that means they can only fry the small fish
Fvck Germany
Based germans.
Ah come on leave the Brazilians alone. South America has nothing to do with any of this. The US and Canada have willingly tied themselves to Europe as protector and ally respectively. That doesn’t mean the entirety of the new world are part of a community with Europe. The Latin American countries have their own affairs separate from ours. Leave them to there’s as they leave us to ours.
Lula and Bolsonaro have one thing in common: massive support for Russia. Each for different reasons: anti-USA for Lula, ultra-right ideas & money for Bolsonaro
what’s this [bnn.network](https://bnn.network) thing, never even heard of it.