I wonder if this is more to do with where most black people live. It would be interesting to see the stats by force and see if the Met/WMP/GMP have a higher death rates
No information about what “police restraint” means or any attempt to normalise the data based on other relevant factors such as age and gender.
This article is not an attempt to get to the truth. This is an attempt by a journalist to create a sensationalist headline.
Sensationalist news without proper figures.
I believe black people are arrested disproportionately more than white people. This could be for many reasons. You have to compare deaths vs arrest rather than vs population representation.
> Black people are 6.4 times more likely to die than the proportion of the population they represent. For white people the comparable figure is just 0.84. Using these figures, Black people are seven times more likely to die than white people when restraint was involved.
Is there more to it than that?
Do they have the data of how many women vs men die after police restraint? There might be an even bigger gap in those numbers compared to the proportion of the population but I’m sure it wouldn’t be judged as police having something against men.
Alternative headline: Asian people around half as likely to die after police restraint in Britain, figures show.
*The car mechanic is more likely to use second hand parts when fixing someones car.*
And is this screened for the type of crime there are committing? For instance, are black people committing a more dangerous type of crime? If its just white vs blacks and not looking into the type of crime i.e. violence/ domestic abuse, burglary. More needs to be looked at.
Black people are a range of different groups – would be interesting to get some more details.
Asians die the least in police custody.
Probably because they barely ever get arrested and when arrested, not for violent crimes.
Black guy who jumped / fell off the bridge in London and died after being restrained through use of taser… The Police Officer was black.
This is to do with the way people are restrained. I’m trained in control and restraint for my occupation and during the course we are told why black males are at a higher risk of this, I did my training 3 or 4 years ago now and have forgotten the term, but it’s a biological thing. Nothing to do with location, proportionality or anything like that.
Okay, what are they dying of exactly?
Are their deaths related to restraint technique itself?
“than the proportion of the population they represent. ”
This is the key phrase right here. When you compare deaths after restraint to total population, you get this figure. When you compare deaths after restraint to instances of restraint or even number of police interactions, you find a very different figure.
Black people are more likely to commit murder, violent crime, sexual crime and crime against property (theft, burglary, etc). They are also more likely to resist arrest. This tells me that there might be a reason why they end up being subjected to more physical restraint than a white or Pakistani individual being arrested for a traffic offence.
This is put down to ‘racism’, yet it seems to happen in every country in the Western world, and the ‘racism’ never seems to afflict, say, the Chinese or Indians in anywhere near the same way. Why is that, I wonder?
I hate when the media tries to spread division in our multicultural country and make out we have a problem just because America does.
We are talking about 23 deaths in police custody in 9 years. This is not a significant number.
The way this is worded sounds like police are deliberately killing black people.
The factors that might lead to someone dying in police custody might also include how violent they were being and how much restraining they needed. Also what chemicals were in their system or pre-existing conditions. But of course the heavy implication is that the police are just out to kill black people.
I guess we could look into violent crime statistics and see if there is any potential correlation there but probably wouldn’t be useful.
This is all just a deliberately divisive rabbit-hole.
Baseless race baiting bollocks peddled by the Guardian.
Quelle surprise.
People with mental health issues aside – if only there was a simple solution to not being arrested. And if arrested, if only there was a simple course of action that an arrested person could take where minimal restraint was required. And if the arrest was wrong if only there was such a thing as a Court where arrested people could fight their case, rather than deciding to physically resist. Imagine that.
For everyone tired of speculation, based on a headline, the report is here.
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I wonder if this is more to do with where most black people live. It would be interesting to see the stats by force and see if the Met/WMP/GMP have a higher death rates
No information about what “police restraint” means or any attempt to normalise the data based on other relevant factors such as age and gender.
This article is not an attempt to get to the truth. This is an attempt by a journalist to create a sensationalist headline.
Sensationalist news without proper figures.
I believe black people are arrested disproportionately more than white people. This could be for many reasons. You have to compare deaths vs arrest rather than vs population representation.
> Black people are 6.4 times more likely to die than the proportion of the population they represent. For white people the comparable figure is just 0.84. Using these figures, Black people are seven times more likely to die than white people when restraint was involved.
Is there more to it than that?
Do they have the data of how many women vs men die after police restraint? There might be an even bigger gap in those numbers compared to the proportion of the population but I’m sure it wouldn’t be judged as police having something against men.
Alternative headline: Asian people around half as likely to die after police restraint in Britain, figures show.
*The car mechanic is more likely to use second hand parts when fixing someones car.*
And is this screened for the type of crime there are committing? For instance, are black people committing a more dangerous type of crime? If its just white vs blacks and not looking into the type of crime i.e. violence/ domestic abuse, burglary. More needs to be looked at.
Black people are a range of different groups – would be interesting to get some more details.
Asians die the least in police custody.
Probably because they barely ever get arrested and when arrested, not for violent crimes.
Black guy who jumped / fell off the bridge in London and died after being restrained through use of taser… The Police Officer was black.
This is to do with the way people are restrained. I’m trained in control and restraint for my occupation and during the course we are told why black males are at a higher risk of this, I did my training 3 or 4 years ago now and have forgotten the term, but it’s a biological thing. Nothing to do with location, proportionality or anything like that.
Okay, what are they dying of exactly?
Are their deaths related to restraint technique itself?
“than the proportion of the population they represent. ”
This is the key phrase right here. When you compare deaths after restraint to total population, you get this figure. When you compare deaths after restraint to instances of restraint or even number of police interactions, you find a very different figure.
Black people are more likely to commit murder, violent crime, sexual crime and crime against property (theft, burglary, etc). They are also more likely to resist arrest. This tells me that there might be a reason why they end up being subjected to more physical restraint than a white or Pakistani individual being arrested for a traffic offence.
This is put down to ‘racism’, yet it seems to happen in every country in the Western world, and the ‘racism’ never seems to afflict, say, the Chinese or Indians in anywhere near the same way. Why is that, I wonder?
I hate when the media tries to spread division in our multicultural country and make out we have a problem just because America does.
We are talking about 23 deaths in police custody in 9 years. This is not a significant number.
The way this is worded sounds like police are deliberately killing black people.
The factors that might lead to someone dying in police custody might also include how violent they were being and how much restraining they needed. Also what chemicals were in their system or pre-existing conditions. But of course the heavy implication is that the police are just out to kill black people.
I guess we could look into violent crime statistics and see if there is any potential correlation there but probably wouldn’t be useful.
This is all just a deliberately divisive rabbit-hole.
Baseless race baiting bollocks peddled by the Guardian.
Quelle surprise.
People with mental health issues aside – if only there was a simple solution to not being arrested. And if arrested, if only there was a simple course of action that an arrested person could take where minimal restraint was required. And if the arrest was wrong if only there was such a thing as a Court where arrested people could fight their case, rather than deciding to physically resist. Imagine that.
For everyone tired of speculation, based on a headline, the report is here.
https://www.inquest.org.uk/i-cant-breathe-race-death-british-policing#:~:text=In%20'I%20can't%20breathe,accountability%20for%20racism%20is%20delivered.
I mean these article bring the racists out…
The obvious answer is that the police use more force against black people therefore more die.
I mean it’s so obvious but trolls will pretend.
Shit from the guardian as usual, trying to cause more division with sensationalist bullshit.
What’s the end game for guardian here?
Make everyone hate the police?
Tell me more about how police in this country aren’t racist.
Yeah but what crimes are the black people being restrained for compared to white people to make that number?