> In addition to the energy department, the FBI has also concluded, with moderate confidence, that the virus first emerged accidentally from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a Chinese lab that worked on coronaviruses. Four other intelligence agencies and the National Intelligence Council have concluded, with low confidence, that the virus most likely emerged through natural transmission
Worth keeping in mind that US government agencies are divided on the issue, with the majority favouring a natural origin.
Always thought that scenario was at least plausible. This lab was working on samples of a coronavirus that had been collected from bats/bat droppings in a cave in China in 2013, that was geneticaially similar to Covid-19.
>Chinese officials have repeatedly called the lab leak hypothesis a lie that has no basis in science and is politically motivated.
Meanwhile China is telling it’s citizens that the virus originated in a US lab.
Lab leaks are more common than you’d expect. The most recent foot and mouth outbreak in the UK (not the big one around 2001) was the result of a lab leak from the highest security type of lab.
In many ways we’ve been extremely lucky that nothing truly cataclysmic has been leaked from a lab. Because pathogens like this do exist in labs. And they can be far more infectious and dangerous than is likely to occur in nature.
There needs to be global coordination on pathogenic research restrictions. Otherwise our luck will run out and somethings far more lethal than covid will make its way out of a lab.
Which was obviously a plausible scenario from the start …. But the timing of releasing this info is pretty transparent.
US intelligence are confident that China are about to start supplying Russia with weapons for their Ukraine invasion.
So, now the yanks are willing to air out whatever CCP dirty laundry they’ve been sitting on.
Highly likely it was here in Christmas 2019.
Close the labs!
Quite a clickbait-ey title.
“Some officials briefed on the intelligence said that it was relatively weak and that the energy department’s conclusion was made with “low confidence”, suggesting its level of certainty was not high. While the department shared the information with other agencies, none of them changed their conclusions, officials said.”
I think only the FBI have some confidence it could have been a leak but other agencies are either ambiguous about it or don’t state. In this case, the energy department just went with the FBI, it’s also the case that the “intelligence is weak” and that the “department’s assessment was made with low confidence”. Such a weird headline when essentially nothing has changed, just some slightly higher suspicions of could be from a lab leak.
Low confidence though…
Without any evidence at all, my theory is it was leaked from a Chinese lab, where the project had a lot of US involvement/funding – hence why the US haven’t just completely blamed china.
The timing of this is suss also, kind of reinforces the fact that the public are only told what they want you to hear, when they want you to hear it.
Ha, this was a conspiracy theory in 2020 that got you banned from social media.
Ah so now it’s not racist to say this
you would been banned if this was posted in 2020. also WHO just dropped their investigation too.
It’s weird as it was always the most plausible cause, yet people who mentioned the fact they had a virology lab studying mutating similar viruses were labelled conspiracy theorists or racist. American funded too, which they initially lied about.
Terrible headline – it’s the opinion of someone in the Energy department. The view is not widely shared. There is a low confidence in that view.
This is the most senior mensch speaking
> Sullivan said if more information was learned, the administration would report it to Congress and the public. “But right now, there is not a definitive answer that has emerged from the intelligence community on this question.”
Now all the loo-lahs who wallow in irrelevance will be wanging on about it forever and a day.
“According to a small handful of US officials, and dismissed by most of them” didn’t fit into the headline?
Is this the same US Government that said there were WMDs in Iraq? Keep gulping it down, people.
That headline is really deceptive, it’s missing the key phase with “ low confidence “
In other news, water is wet…
Who are those US officials?
>the US energy department
How confident are they?
>low confidence
Do other officials agree with this statement?
>intelligence agencies remained divided over the origins of coronavirus
This is a Nothing burger.
First line in the article –
## “The conclusion, which the US energy department made with ‘low confidence’, came as intelligence agencies remained divided over the origins of coronavirus.”
A low confidence conclusion is a pretty shitty conclusion. If this was the reported conclusion of a scientific experiment, it would never be published.
Other US intelligence agencies do not agree with this “conclusion”. None of them have changed their position after seeing this report.
It astonishes me how this shit is allowed to be published.
Just so we’re clear as it seems a lot of people commenting didn’t read the story, this is the key part:
## The conclusion, which the US energy department made with ‘low confidence’,
So this is the “US Energy department”, not the CIA, not homeland security, not one of the big agencies, and their assessment is flagged clearly as being made with Low Confidence, meaning they do not have enough supporting evidence, so its little more than a hypothesis.
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Oh shit.
I thought that was just a conspiracy theory 🤔
> In addition to the energy department, the FBI has also concluded, with moderate confidence, that the virus first emerged accidentally from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a Chinese lab that worked on coronaviruses. Four other intelligence agencies and the National Intelligence Council have concluded, with low confidence, that the virus most likely emerged through natural transmission
Worth keeping in mind that US government agencies are divided on the issue, with the majority favouring a natural origin.
Always thought that scenario was at least plausible. This lab was working on samples of a coronavirus that had been collected from bats/bat droppings in a cave in China in 2013, that was geneticaially similar to Covid-19.
>Chinese officials have repeatedly called the lab leak hypothesis a lie that has no basis in science and is politically motivated.
Meanwhile China is telling it’s citizens that the virus originated in a US lab.
Lab leaks are more common than you’d expect. The most recent foot and mouth outbreak in the UK (not the big one around 2001) was the result of a lab leak from the highest security type of lab.
In many ways we’ve been extremely lucky that nothing truly cataclysmic has been leaked from a lab. Because pathogens like this do exist in labs. And they can be far more infectious and dangerous than is likely to occur in nature.
There needs to be global coordination on pathogenic research restrictions. Otherwise our luck will run out and somethings far more lethal than covid will make its way out of a lab.
Which was obviously a plausible scenario from the start …. But the timing of releasing this info is pretty transparent.
US intelligence are confident that China are about to start supplying Russia with weapons for their Ukraine invasion.
So, now the yanks are willing to air out whatever CCP dirty laundry they’ve been sitting on.
Highly likely it was here in Christmas 2019.
Close the labs!
Quite a clickbait-ey title.
“Some officials briefed on the intelligence said that it was relatively weak and that the energy department’s conclusion was made with “low confidence”, suggesting its level of certainty was not high. While the department shared the information with other agencies, none of them changed their conclusions, officials said.”
I think only the FBI have some confidence it could have been a leak but other agencies are either ambiguous about it or don’t state. In this case, the energy department just went with the FBI, it’s also the case that the “intelligence is weak” and that the “department’s assessment was made with low confidence”. Such a weird headline when essentially nothing has changed, just some slightly higher suspicions of could be from a lab leak.
Low confidence though…
Without any evidence at all, my theory is it was leaked from a Chinese lab, where the project had a lot of US involvement/funding – hence why the US haven’t just completely blamed china.
The timing of this is suss also, kind of reinforces the fact that the public are only told what they want you to hear, when they want you to hear it.
Ha, this was a conspiracy theory in 2020 that got you banned from social media.
Ah so now it’s not racist to say this
you would been banned if this was posted in 2020. also WHO just dropped their investigation too.
It’s weird as it was always the most plausible cause, yet people who mentioned the fact they had a virology lab studying mutating similar viruses were labelled conspiracy theorists or racist. American funded too, which they initially lied about.
Terrible headline – it’s the opinion of someone in the Energy department. The view is not widely shared. There is a low confidence in that view.
This is the most senior mensch speaking
> Sullivan said if more information was learned, the administration would report it to Congress and the public. “But right now, there is not a definitive answer that has emerged from the intelligence community on this question.”
Now all the loo-lahs who wallow in irrelevance will be wanging on about it forever and a day.
“According to a small handful of US officials, and dismissed by most of them” didn’t fit into the headline?
Is this the same US Government that said there were WMDs in Iraq? Keep gulping it down, people.
That headline is really deceptive, it’s missing the key phase with “ low confidence “
In other news, water is wet…
Who are those US officials?
>the US energy department
How confident are they?
>low confidence
Do other officials agree with this statement?
>intelligence agencies remained divided over the origins of coronavirus
This is a Nothing burger.
First line in the article –
## “The conclusion, which the US energy department made with ‘low confidence’, came as intelligence agencies remained divided over the origins of coronavirus.”
A low confidence conclusion is a pretty shitty conclusion. If this was the reported conclusion of a scientific experiment, it would never be published.
Other US intelligence agencies do not agree with this “conclusion”. None of them have changed their position after seeing this report.
It astonishes me how this shit is allowed to be published.
Just so we’re clear as it seems a lot of people commenting didn’t read the story, this is the key part:
## The conclusion, which the US energy department made with ‘low confidence’,
So this is the “US Energy department”, not the CIA, not homeland security, not one of the big agencies, and their assessment is flagged clearly as being made with Low Confidence, meaning they do not have enough supporting evidence, so its little more than a hypothesis.