>The Bafta Awards have come under fire, after all the winners at its film ceremony on Sunday were white.
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>The prestigious British event had a diverse set of nominees, with people belonging to ethnic minorities taking almost 40% of acting shortlist slots.
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>But that did not translate into wins, with the 49 victors across all categories being white.
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>It comes three years after an outcry and subsequent reforms when all 20 acting nominees were white.
If all the winners were black or brown, the BBC would hail it as progress. But all white is a major problem. Isn’t it funny how that works?
If there were no ‘diverse’ wins then the BBC is saying that white people aren’t part of ‘diversity’. What are we part of then?
With a binomial model for white / non-white with 81% white in the UK the chance of this occurring ‘at random’ as if drawn from the general population is 0.00328%
Like all awards should be based on merit not the colour of people’s skin.
I imagine the reason ethnic minorities are under represented is because of the huge numbers of public school boys and girls working in film.
So should be just give out awards to minorities because of their skin colour?
Why do they include people with 30 likes on a tweet and call it backlash? You can find anyone with 30 likes on twitter saying anything.
The backlash is meaningless if the judge panel was adequately diverse.
[e] A few people don’t like the truth here, lol. The BAFTAs are voted for by members of BAFTA, of which there are approximately 7000 I believe; as per my original comment, if this group is adequately diverse then this ‘backlash’ is just racial shit-stirring by the media – at a time when we really don’t need it. I’m yet to see a single article on this that even considers the makeup of the judge panel, let alone speak to any of them – and that’s how you know it’s almost certainly bullshit.
>In 2021 and 2022, half of the acting winners were not white
A huge over-representation of non-white winners the last two years – was that racist? Or did everyone suddenly just become racist in 2023?
Fucking disgusting white people taking our awards and our jerbs. /s
I have a theory.
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In 2021 and 2022, there were more non-white actors/directors/whatnot who were worthy of an award. In 2023, it just so happens there are more white actors/directors/whatnot who are worthy of an award. The whole academy doesn’t suddenly become racist in one year, this disparity between last year and this one leads me to think it was just merit based.
Also worth pointing out that the majority of the winners were a few particular films, aside from the specialist categories like animation and documentary. Two of these are historical movies; 1 regarding soldiers in the predominantly white German Empire and one about Elvis. I have no idea about the third I’ve never watched it. It’s reasonable that if two films about historical events, in which all the central characters are white, are dominating the awards this year it’s pretty well guaranteed that white people will be over-represented in the winners.
Can someone who isn’t white answer me a question.. would you rather get an award because you were good enough or because you were not white?
almost like its a better idea to ignore celebrity collective masturbation?
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Don’t care for this topic, but Everything Everywhere All At Once should have won a lot more awards. All quiet on the wester front is an amazing movie but some of those awards could have gone to EEAAO.
Both of them are once in a generation movies in their own genre.
Damn… it’s almost like the United Kingdom…. Is 87.17% white 😱
+ there’s a lot of diversity in this crowd anyways. Let’s break it down 😈
Best film went to Malte Grunert who is German
Outstanding British film went to Martin Mcdonagh who is British-Irish, Graham Broadbent is British (English) and Pete Czerin who is British (English)
Outstanding debut by a British writer, director or producer went to Charlotte Wells who is British (Scottish)
Film not in the English language went to Edward Berger who is a Swiss-German and Malte Grunert again
Documentary went to Daniel Roher who is Canadian, Diane Becker who is American, Shane Boris who is American, Melanie Miller who is American and Odessa Rae is Canadian
Animated film went to Guillermo del Toro who is Mexican, Mark Gustafson who I believe is American (I can’t find anything on his nationality I’m basing my assumption off of interviews) Gary Ungar who again I believe is American but I may be wrong, and Alex Bulkley who is American
Director went to Edward Berger who we already know is Swiss-German
Original screenplay went to Martin Mcdonagh again we know he’s British-Irish
Adapted screenplay went to our boy Edward Berger (Swiss-German), Lesley Paterson who is British (Scottish), and Ian Stokell who is British (English)
Leading actress went to the lovely Cate Blanchett who is Australian
Leading actor went to Austin Butler who is American
Supporting actress went to Kerry Condon who is Irish
Supporting actor went to Barry Koeghan who is Irish
Original score went to Volker Bertelmann who is German
Casting went to Nikki Barrett and Denise Chamian who’s nationalities I don’t know
Editing went to Paul Rogers who is I believe American
Cinematography went to James Friend who is British (English)
Makeup and hair went to Jason Baird, Mark Coulier, Louise Coulston and Shane Thomas. They’re nationalities I have no clue.
Production design went to Florencia Martin who is American, and Anthony Carlino who is I believe American
Costume design went to Catherine Martin who is Australian
Special and Visual effects went to Richard Baneham who is Irish, Daniel Barret who is a New Zealander, Joe Letteri who is American, and Eric Saindon who is American
Sound went to Lars Ginzsel who is German, Frank Kruse who is German, Viktor Prasil who is Czech, and Markus Stemler who is German
Rising star went to Emma McKay who is French-British
British short animation went to Peter Baynton who is British (English), Charlie Mackesy who is British (English), Cara Speller who is British (English), and Hannah Minghella who is British (English)
Finally British short film went to Tom Berkeley who is English and Ross White who is Irish
At the end of all that we end up having a crowd of 5 Germans 🇩🇪 10 Americans 🇺🇸 9 English 🏴🇬🇧 4 Irish 🇮🇪 2 Scottish 🏴🇬🇧 2 Canadians 🇨🇦 2 Australians 🇦🇺 1 New Zealander 🇳🇿 1 Mexican 🇲🇽 1 Swiss-German 🇩🇪🇨🇭 1 British-Irish 🇬🇧🇮🇪 1 French-British 🇫🇷🇬🇧 and 9 unknowns
But in the end, none of that matters. After all diversity is simply the pigmentation of one’s skin
>person of the global majority
Babe, wake up, a new buzzword just dropped
Surely it’s far more insulting to give minorities a participation prize than one based on merit?
Look, just be ashamed of being white already and then they will all be happy.
Not that any movie award is worth much anyway, but the moment that you start having quotas for winners any sense that they were ever about achievement is thrown out of the window.
We’ve already had this with the Oscar nominations and the Brit Awards.
Surely it would just make it easier if we made white performers ineligible for these awards altogether?
As long as people adhere to this privileged vs marginalised identity framework, the presence of the privileged among the marginalised will invite scrutiny and raise suspicion of unfairness.
The impulse to find out what is unjust about the situation will never go away, unless we take the step of removing the privileged from the running altogether.
I’m surprised I haven’t seen anyone mention this yet. At the end of the article Dr Clive Nwonka (it sounds like he brought the #BaftasSoWhite issues up in 2020) mentions that it’s going to take 5-6 years before the measures the Baftas put in place in 2020 take effect. These measures were put in place to improve the diversity of the Baftas, so it sounds like these results aren’t that unusual if it’s an issue that they’re in the process of tackling. Really puts these results in perspective, and it’s a shame these details are at the very end of the article.
I don’t think the BAFTAS should be under fire- it’s an indictment of the entertainment industry, not the awards ceremonies.
All men getting the criticism at the last award a few month ago….now all white getting it.
Skin colour shouldn’t even come in to it at all.
This is racism….but not in the way those bitching about it think.
I dont understand why it’s about colour? If your a rubbish actor no matter colour or background you should not win..
But it’s fine to have awards for entirely black people
The two big winners of the night were All Quiet on the Western Front, and Banshees of Inisherin. These are both historical films set in times/locations where virtually everyone was white. The cast of the films were therefor mostly white.
Why is this a problem? Unless there’s evidence of discrimination and people aren’t being rightfully recognised because of their skin colour?
If we suddenly decided to fill quotas for recognition of achievements, the whole premise of awards will be undermined, and ironically could lead to somone being discriminated based on their skin colour. As someone who should win the award is disregarded based on their skin colour to ensure the quota is met.
This is the BAFTAs not the MOBOs
Talent should win awards, not skin colour.
So maybe the white actors performed better than the black actors?
Crazy I know.
Should maybe look the industry rather than the awards. If everyone getting awarded is white that must mean that not enough decent films are being made featuring or worked on by people of colour. If there is any prejudice that’s more likely where it lies.
Backlash from who? Random terminally online twitter crazies?
Twitter should be banned from being a source for “journalists”
Litterally worse than 4chan
POC community: we’re sorry you didn’t win anything. We’re not angry, though, either. We’re just a little disappointed. You just need to do better next time. Look at who won this year; it’s obviously not that hard. Just be better. Like studying a little harder every night for a big test. Just a few more hours every week. That’s all it takes. It’s not that difficult. We believe in you! **Heart Emoji** #Diversity #Inclusion #Equality #BLM
Oh no! Some successful people are white! God forbid.
What others have said.
All awards should be based on merit.
There’s backlash for everything now days.
From whom?
The sort of people who think your skin colour is more important than anything else? So nobody we should listen to. Gotcha.
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>The Bafta Awards have come under fire, after all the winners at its film ceremony on Sunday were white.
>
>The prestigious British event had a diverse set of nominees, with people belonging to ethnic minorities taking almost 40% of acting shortlist slots.
>
>But that did not translate into wins, with the 49 victors across all categories being white.
>
>It comes three years after an outcry and subsequent reforms when all 20 acting nominees were white.
If all the winners were black or brown, the BBC would hail it as progress. But all white is a major problem. Isn’t it funny how that works?
If there were no ‘diverse’ wins then the BBC is saying that white people aren’t part of ‘diversity’. What are we part of then?
With a binomial model for white / non-white with 81% white in the UK the chance of this occurring ‘at random’ as if drawn from the general population is 0.00328%
Like all awards should be based on merit not the colour of people’s skin.
I imagine the reason ethnic minorities are under represented is because of the huge numbers of public school boys and girls working in film.
So should be just give out awards to minorities because of their skin colour?
Why do they include people with 30 likes on a tweet and call it backlash? You can find anyone with 30 likes on twitter saying anything.
The backlash is meaningless if the judge panel was adequately diverse.
[e] A few people don’t like the truth here, lol. The BAFTAs are voted for by members of BAFTA, of which there are approximately 7000 I believe; as per my original comment, if this group is adequately diverse then this ‘backlash’ is just racial shit-stirring by the media – at a time when we really don’t need it. I’m yet to see a single article on this that even considers the makeup of the judge panel, let alone speak to any of them – and that’s how you know it’s almost certainly bullshit.
>In 2021 and 2022, half of the acting winners were not white
A huge over-representation of non-white winners the last two years – was that racist? Or did everyone suddenly just become racist in 2023?
Fucking disgusting white people taking our awards and our jerbs. /s
I have a theory.
​
In 2021 and 2022, there were more non-white actors/directors/whatnot who were worthy of an award. In 2023, it just so happens there are more white actors/directors/whatnot who are worthy of an award. The whole academy doesn’t suddenly become racist in one year, this disparity between last year and this one leads me to think it was just merit based.
Also worth pointing out that the majority of the winners were a few particular films, aside from the specialist categories like animation and documentary. Two of these are historical movies; 1 regarding soldiers in the predominantly white German Empire and one about Elvis. I have no idea about the third I’ve never watched it. It’s reasonable that if two films about historical events, in which all the central characters are white, are dominating the awards this year it’s pretty well guaranteed that white people will be over-represented in the winners.
Can someone who isn’t white answer me a question.. would you rather get an award because you were good enough or because you were not white?
almost like its a better idea to ignore celebrity collective masturbation?
[deleted]
Don’t care for this topic, but Everything Everywhere All At Once should have won a lot more awards. All quiet on the wester front is an amazing movie but some of those awards could have gone to EEAAO.
Both of them are once in a generation movies in their own genre.
Damn… it’s almost like the United Kingdom…. Is 87.17% white 😱
+ there’s a lot of diversity in this crowd anyways. Let’s break it down 😈
Best film went to Malte Grunert who is German
Outstanding British film went to Martin Mcdonagh who is British-Irish, Graham Broadbent is British (English) and Pete Czerin who is British (English)
Outstanding debut by a British writer, director or producer went to Charlotte Wells who is British (Scottish)
Film not in the English language went to Edward Berger who is a Swiss-German and Malte Grunert again
Documentary went to Daniel Roher who is Canadian, Diane Becker who is American, Shane Boris who is American, Melanie Miller who is American and Odessa Rae is Canadian
Animated film went to Guillermo del Toro who is Mexican, Mark Gustafson who I believe is American (I can’t find anything on his nationality I’m basing my assumption off of interviews) Gary Ungar who again I believe is American but I may be wrong, and Alex Bulkley who is American
Director went to Edward Berger who we already know is Swiss-German
Original screenplay went to Martin Mcdonagh again we know he’s British-Irish
Adapted screenplay went to our boy Edward Berger (Swiss-German), Lesley Paterson who is British (Scottish), and Ian Stokell who is British (English)
Leading actress went to the lovely Cate Blanchett who is Australian
Leading actor went to Austin Butler who is American
Supporting actress went to Kerry Condon who is Irish
Supporting actor went to Barry Koeghan who is Irish
Original score went to Volker Bertelmann who is German
Casting went to Nikki Barrett and Denise Chamian who’s nationalities I don’t know
Editing went to Paul Rogers who is I believe American
Cinematography went to James Friend who is British (English)
Makeup and hair went to Jason Baird, Mark Coulier, Louise Coulston and Shane Thomas. They’re nationalities I have no clue.
Production design went to Florencia Martin who is American, and Anthony Carlino who is I believe American
Costume design went to Catherine Martin who is Australian
Special and Visual effects went to Richard Baneham who is Irish, Daniel Barret who is a New Zealander, Joe Letteri who is American, and Eric Saindon who is American
Sound went to Lars Ginzsel who is German, Frank Kruse who is German, Viktor Prasil who is Czech, and Markus Stemler who is German
Rising star went to Emma McKay who is French-British
British short animation went to Peter Baynton who is British (English), Charlie Mackesy who is British (English), Cara Speller who is British (English), and Hannah Minghella who is British (English)
Finally British short film went to Tom Berkeley who is English and Ross White who is Irish
At the end of all that we end up having a crowd of 5 Germans 🇩🇪 10 Americans 🇺🇸 9 English 🏴🇬🇧 4 Irish 🇮🇪 2 Scottish 🏴🇬🇧 2 Canadians 🇨🇦 2 Australians 🇦🇺 1 New Zealander 🇳🇿 1 Mexican 🇲🇽 1 Swiss-German 🇩🇪🇨🇭 1 British-Irish 🇬🇧🇮🇪 1 French-British 🇫🇷🇬🇧 and 9 unknowns
But in the end, none of that matters. After all diversity is simply the pigmentation of one’s skin
>person of the global majority
Babe, wake up, a new buzzword just dropped
Surely it’s far more insulting to give minorities a participation prize than one based on merit?
Look, just be ashamed of being white already and then they will all be happy.
Not that any movie award is worth much anyway, but the moment that you start having quotas for winners any sense that they were ever about achievement is thrown out of the window.
We’ve already had this with the Oscar nominations and the Brit Awards.
Surely it would just make it easier if we made white performers ineligible for these awards altogether?
As long as people adhere to this privileged vs marginalised identity framework, the presence of the privileged among the marginalised will invite scrutiny and raise suspicion of unfairness.
The impulse to find out what is unjust about the situation will never go away, unless we take the step of removing the privileged from the running altogether.
I’m surprised I haven’t seen anyone mention this yet. At the end of the article Dr Clive Nwonka (it sounds like he brought the #BaftasSoWhite issues up in 2020) mentions that it’s going to take 5-6 years before the measures the Baftas put in place in 2020 take effect. These measures were put in place to improve the diversity of the Baftas, so it sounds like these results aren’t that unusual if it’s an issue that they’re in the process of tackling. Really puts these results in perspective, and it’s a shame these details are at the very end of the article.
I don’t think the BAFTAS should be under fire- it’s an indictment of the entertainment industry, not the awards ceremonies.
All men getting the criticism at the last award a few month ago….now all white getting it.
Skin colour shouldn’t even come in to it at all.
This is racism….but not in the way those bitching about it think.
I dont understand why it’s about colour? If your a rubbish actor no matter colour or background you should not win..
But it’s fine to have awards for entirely black people
The two big winners of the night were All Quiet on the Western Front, and Banshees of Inisherin. These are both historical films set in times/locations where virtually everyone was white. The cast of the films were therefor mostly white.
Why is this a problem? Unless there’s evidence of discrimination and people aren’t being rightfully recognised because of their skin colour?
If we suddenly decided to fill quotas for recognition of achievements, the whole premise of awards will be undermined, and ironically could lead to somone being discriminated based on their skin colour. As someone who should win the award is disregarded based on their skin colour to ensure the quota is met.
This is the BAFTAs not the MOBOs
Talent should win awards, not skin colour.
So maybe the white actors performed better than the black actors?
Crazy I know.
Should maybe look the industry rather than the awards. If everyone getting awarded is white that must mean that not enough decent films are being made featuring or worked on by people of colour. If there is any prejudice that’s more likely where it lies.
Backlash from who? Random terminally online twitter crazies?
Twitter should be banned from being a source for “journalists”
Litterally worse than 4chan
POC community: we’re sorry you didn’t win anything. We’re not angry, though, either. We’re just a little disappointed. You just need to do better next time. Look at who won this year; it’s obviously not that hard. Just be better. Like studying a little harder every night for a big test. Just a few more hours every week. That’s all it takes. It’s not that difficult. We believe in you! **Heart Emoji** #Diversity #Inclusion #Equality #BLM
Oh no! Some successful people are white! God forbid.
What others have said.
All awards should be based on merit.
There’s backlash for everything now days.
From whom?
The sort of people who think your skin colour is more important than anything else? So nobody we should listen to. Gotcha.