Easy to laugh at this but knife crime and muggings by ‘ children ‘ are a scourge
The sort of shitbags perpetrating these crimes probably don’t give a fuck about their parents carrying the can for their behaviour.
“Parents whose children repeatedly break the law will be made to “take responsibility” and enroll in court-ordered caregiving classes, under new Labour proposals.
Shadow Justice Secretary Steve Reed said the use of parenting orders would be expanded under a Labour government in a crackdown on anti-social behaviour, as he laid out his party’s pledge to cut crime and slash the courts backlog.
The new policing plan echoed former prime minister Tony Blair’s promise to be “tough on crime and the causes of crime”.
During a speech at Middle Temple on Friday, Mr Reed said: “I will help parents take responsibility for tackling the behaviour of their own children if they repeatedly commit crime.
“We will expand the use of parenting orders so the courts can require parents of young offenders to attend parenting classes. We will support parents to steer their children back on track before the crime in a young life becomes a life of crime.” “
Doesn’t mention at what age they’d stop blaming parents for their children’s crimes. It only says young offenders. Does ‘young’ mean minor? Under 10? Blaming the parents is a great way to take the blame away from problem children. I’ve met some terrible kids whose parents are the kindest and try as hard as they can. Having one bad child out of three doesn’t mean you’re a bad parent who needs classes on how to parent. Who would even teach it? Is there a unanimous agreement on how you’re supposed to raise children?
> Parents whose children repeatedly break the law will be made to “take responsibility” and enroll in court-ordered caregiving classes, under new Labour proposals.
> Shadow Justice Secretary Steve Reed said the use of parenting orders would be expanded under a Labour government in a crackdown on anti-social behaviour, as he laid out his party’s pledge to cut crime and slash the courts backlog.
Would be interested in seeing the evidence base for this.
Is this ‘only if the children breaks the law’ I have to be responsible?
OR, Can I be responsible for them prior to them breaking the law?
I think the shadow justice secretary could do with an explanation of the phrase “shut the gate after the horse has bolted “.
Scary I might actually end up voting for labour. Anything but tories right now.
I can understand the nature of this proposal, but sadly it’s doomed to fail.
It has to be done early on and when young or it’s likely to be too late as the kids / teenagers get older.
When I was a kid growing up, I was one of those statistics where dad was a drunk and a gambler, mum did best she could to raise us, they were constantly fighting, I saw my dad attack my mum more than once and even as a very young kid I’d try to stop him.
Through their divorce I was forced to live with him for 2+ years, I got in so much trouble as to me anything was better than living with him, step mother used to have him beat me for no reason, so to me it was a case of, OK, I’m going to get hurt for no reason, may as well do something super bad to at least deserve it.
Eventually my real mother won the court case of custody and though she was no angel herself, and she always said that herself, she had to put in a lot of time and effort to break those bad habits in me, to give me structure, consistency, re-teach me the lines not to cross, to have consistent consequences for my actions.
She never once hit me, but she had to really be strong with me mentally, she knew if she showed any kind of weakness psychologically I’d take advantage of it, so I know she never had an easy time with me growing up, but she did it.
She always said: “I wanted you kids so you are my responsibility till you are adults.”
Even though I am now 48yo and she’s been dead for 9+ years, whenever I walk out my front door I can picture her in my mind saying: “When you walk outside those doors you are representing me, first impressions matter, unless someone openly treats you badly then you treat them with respect and politeness, I want people to see I raised you right not dragged up like some animal.”
If not for her I’d now be in prison or dead most likely.
I consider myself very lucky as I know compared to millions out there I had it very easy in comparison and a mother that really loved and cared for me in her own way even though she was emotionally cold.
P.S. Sorry if this post is a bit off topic, just seemed appropriate as parents often get blamed for things but they have it rough with us kids too, not just the kids having it rough with the parents.
someone has to be responsible, for too long these little shits have been acting like they are invincible
They should throw the book at Stanley Johnson then.
Cool, so this will apply to politicians and the royal family too right?
Right?
And be required to take classes.
They aren’t on about punishing parents, simply educating them.
This is ludicrous. If you live in a low income area are you supposed to home school your kid and completely isolate them so that they do nothing like their peers.
As the parent of a 23 (and therefore off the hook) I am fully behind this.
In all seriousness, there are too many parents who absolve themselves of responsibility for their children’s behaviour. My particular pet peeve is when the child does something bad (at school, for example), but the ‘parents’ aka genetic donors then attack the school when they try to do something about it!
Sadly though, such a radical change to established law would never get through legislature.
As a parents, you can only do so much. You can try your best but your child can still grow up to be a little cunt that you can’t controll when they’re 16. Let’s not pretend that bad teens are only bad because their parents don’t care. Many times you have perfecly well behaved siblings with one bad sheep. You can mostly control a 12 year old but it’s quite difficult to control a 16 year old, especiall when they’re bigger than you. let’s not pretend that children abusing their parents is not a thing. And that abused parent could now be facing jail as well.
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We’re not North Korea, punishing parents for something an older teenager does is a slippery slope. Should we also punish grandparents because they raised parents who failed to control their grandkids? What about siblings?
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Imagine, just giving people yet another reason to not have kids and then whine that people aren’t having kids. Colour me shocked.
Ok but where do we put the line? Are the parents responsible if 16yo knifes someone?
How about we provide some services for people in shitty areas. Address poverty.
Just a thought…
If they really want to sort this out, it isn’t just kids.
Lots of cases where there are kids but there is also an adult present. Someone over 18 involved in the group. Double the sentences for adults who take part or are present when kids break the law, obviously depending on the crime.
Friend of the family, son was robbed and beaten in a city, 8 people there. One 19 year old, one 18 year old (not charged as they didn’t do the beating or robbery and stayed back), the other 6 all under 16, one was 12. Only 4 were charged. They stole a coat, bag and shoes…scrubber scumbags.
CCTV showed them all hanging out both before and after. Those adults been present at a number of these with different kids involved… Yet no charges.
I can assure everyone that bad parents never accept responsibility for their children’s behaviour. They blame other kids for corrupting them or they use their favourite cop out, blaming their kids School.
Great idea. Parents aren’t and shouldn’t be criminally responsible, but some clearly need some parenting help and a kick up the backside/a reason to make sure their kids don’t do it again.
That should be standard. Infact a great way to stop a lot of trouble. Kids do the crime them and parents jailed. Doubt they would act so tough then.
Parents are rightly responsible if they dog kills a person, but if their 14 year old stabs a girls to death, it’s not their fault…
I think ‘parental failures leading to X’ should be a crime…
Asking parents to be responsible? Does this mean you DON’T support more Government enforced internet controls on adult content?
I fully support this as long as you can catch and hold down a wee tosser who tries to threaten you with a knife. As the law stands now you can’t even touch a goddamn kid or you will be the one getting handcuffed when pigs arrive.
As they should. Raise your kids right and they won’t break the law.
This is just more focus on punishment for crimes than have already happened rather than taking a serious look at our criminal justice system, and the wider causes of crime.
Norway has a rehabilitation based system and has much lower reoffending rates than us, why don’t we look at that?
And why no talk about the wider causes of crime? Easy to blame parents, but why not look at poverty for example and lack of community and opportunity?
Do parents send their children to go break the law in all cases?
I’d back this , maybe it would be enough of a deterrent for parents to rein their kids in more .
Don’t know if it has already been mentioned. Can’t pin the blame on parents letting their kids run riot while they do whatever.
There are plenty of middle class people with kids that want to act like they are from a deprived area where this sort of behaviour tends to be more common because they think it’s cool.
One example, and I bet there are plenty others out there swept under the carpet.
Political parties will have to be held responsible if their members break the law too. Works for me.
It’s not gonna be read but I’ll give my two cents anyways.
It’s in deprived neighbourhoods where young offenders are the largest issue. Although holding parents more accountable for their children’s actions is a good thing, that won’t necessarily solve the issue when it’s not just the parents, but the parents environment that makes it worse.
The concept of Boris Johnson’s ‘leveling up’ would of massively solved, or at least reduced the issue of young offenders. Where deprived areas receive extra funding for health and social care, increasing value produced and theoretical income of individuals. Issue is.. just like almost everything regarding Tory policy, their concepts are fantastic but their implementation is dogshit.
As long as we make CEO’s responsible for crimes their companies commit too!
WTF? Isn’t kin punishment against human rights laws?
When I was in the police, I couldn’t go a shift without someone saying “I just can’t control her, I don’t know what to do, they don’t listen to me” etc etc etc as we arrested their child for criminal damage/stealing/fighting for the umpteenth time.
Maybe some consequences for parents who are unable or unwilling to parent will be a good thing
I have a friend who adopted two kids. The birth mother was a booze/drug addict who used throughout both pregnancies and the kids have real problems as a result. The youngest one has zero self control, despite my friend’s excellent parenting. Gonna lock her up when he inevitably fucks up?
This is the standard applied in most European countries for minors committing crime. Nothing controversial here for me.
If ‘children’ are wicked enough to commit adult crimes, they should stand trial as adults.
I once read a leaflet that said we’re all children of God. So that’s my legal defence going forward.
But how does a parent correctly control their kids bad behaviours. The government has made them invincible from any sort of discipline. Neither parents nor teachers can even influence a kid who goes down the wrong path through the current means of discipline.
Way to put a huge amount of power in the hands of problem kids, now when they’re mad at their parents they can threaten to go out and get them in trouble.
I completely agree and support this move. Please read the article before you begin giving your two cents.
Well, what did they expect after making smacking literally a crime.
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Easy to laugh at this but knife crime and muggings by ‘ children ‘ are a scourge
The sort of shitbags perpetrating these crimes probably don’t give a fuck about their parents carrying the can for their behaviour.
“Parents whose children repeatedly break the law will be made to “take responsibility” and enroll in court-ordered caregiving classes, under new Labour proposals.
Shadow Justice Secretary Steve Reed said the use of parenting orders would be expanded under a Labour government in a crackdown on anti-social behaviour, as he laid out his party’s pledge to cut crime and slash the courts backlog.
The new policing plan echoed former prime minister Tony Blair’s promise to be “tough on crime and the causes of crime”.
During a speech at Middle Temple on Friday, Mr Reed said: “I will help parents take responsibility for tackling the behaviour of their own children if they repeatedly commit crime.
“We will expand the use of parenting orders so the courts can require parents of young offenders to attend parenting classes. We will support parents to steer their children back on track before the crime in a young life becomes a life of crime.” “
Doesn’t mention at what age they’d stop blaming parents for their children’s crimes. It only says young offenders. Does ‘young’ mean minor? Under 10? Blaming the parents is a great way to take the blame away from problem children. I’ve met some terrible kids whose parents are the kindest and try as hard as they can. Having one bad child out of three doesn’t mean you’re a bad parent who needs classes on how to parent. Who would even teach it? Is there a unanimous agreement on how you’re supposed to raise children?
> Parents whose children repeatedly break the law will be made to “take responsibility” and enroll in court-ordered caregiving classes, under new Labour proposals.
> Shadow Justice Secretary Steve Reed said the use of parenting orders would be expanded under a Labour government in a crackdown on anti-social behaviour, as he laid out his party’s pledge to cut crime and slash the courts backlog.
Would be interested in seeing the evidence base for this.
Is this ‘only if the children breaks the law’ I have to be responsible?
OR, Can I be responsible for them prior to them breaking the law?
I think the shadow justice secretary could do with an explanation of the phrase “shut the gate after the horse has bolted “.
Scary I might actually end up voting for labour. Anything but tories right now.
I can understand the nature of this proposal, but sadly it’s doomed to fail.
It has to be done early on and when young or it’s likely to be too late as the kids / teenagers get older.
When I was a kid growing up, I was one of those statistics where dad was a drunk and a gambler, mum did best she could to raise us, they were constantly fighting, I saw my dad attack my mum more than once and even as a very young kid I’d try to stop him.
Through their divorce I was forced to live with him for 2+ years, I got in so much trouble as to me anything was better than living with him, step mother used to have him beat me for no reason, so to me it was a case of, OK, I’m going to get hurt for no reason, may as well do something super bad to at least deserve it.
Eventually my real mother won the court case of custody and though she was no angel herself, and she always said that herself, she had to put in a lot of time and effort to break those bad habits in me, to give me structure, consistency, re-teach me the lines not to cross, to have consistent consequences for my actions.
She never once hit me, but she had to really be strong with me mentally, she knew if she showed any kind of weakness psychologically I’d take advantage of it, so I know she never had an easy time with me growing up, but she did it.
She always said: “I wanted you kids so you are my responsibility till you are adults.”
Even though I am now 48yo and she’s been dead for 9+ years, whenever I walk out my front door I can picture her in my mind saying: “When you walk outside those doors you are representing me, first impressions matter, unless someone openly treats you badly then you treat them with respect and politeness, I want people to see I raised you right not dragged up like some animal.”
If not for her I’d now be in prison or dead most likely.
I consider myself very lucky as I know compared to millions out there I had it very easy in comparison and a mother that really loved and cared for me in her own way even though she was emotionally cold.
P.S. Sorry if this post is a bit off topic, just seemed appropriate as parents often get blamed for things but they have it rough with us kids too, not just the kids having it rough with the parents.
someone has to be responsible, for too long these little shits have been acting like they are invincible
They should throw the book at Stanley Johnson then.
Cool, so this will apply to politicians and the royal family too right?
Right?
And be required to take classes.
They aren’t on about punishing parents, simply educating them.
This is ludicrous. If you live in a low income area are you supposed to home school your kid and completely isolate them so that they do nothing like their peers.
As the parent of a 23 (and therefore off the hook) I am fully behind this.
In all seriousness, there are too many parents who absolve themselves of responsibility for their children’s behaviour. My particular pet peeve is when the child does something bad (at school, for example), but the ‘parents’ aka genetic donors then attack the school when they try to do something about it!
Sadly though, such a radical change to established law would never get through legislature.
As a parents, you can only do so much. You can try your best but your child can still grow up to be a little cunt that you can’t controll when they’re 16. Let’s not pretend that bad teens are only bad because their parents don’t care. Many times you have perfecly well behaved siblings with one bad sheep. You can mostly control a 12 year old but it’s quite difficult to control a 16 year old, especiall when they’re bigger than you. let’s not pretend that children abusing their parents is not a thing. And that abused parent could now be facing jail as well.
​
We’re not North Korea, punishing parents for something an older teenager does is a slippery slope. Should we also punish grandparents because they raised parents who failed to control their grandkids? What about siblings?
​
Imagine, just giving people yet another reason to not have kids and then whine that people aren’t having kids. Colour me shocked.
Ok but where do we put the line? Are the parents responsible if 16yo knifes someone?
How about we provide some services for people in shitty areas. Address poverty.
Just a thought…
If they really want to sort this out, it isn’t just kids.
Lots of cases where there are kids but there is also an adult present. Someone over 18 involved in the group. Double the sentences for adults who take part or are present when kids break the law, obviously depending on the crime.
Friend of the family, son was robbed and beaten in a city, 8 people there. One 19 year old, one 18 year old (not charged as they didn’t do the beating or robbery and stayed back), the other 6 all under 16, one was 12. Only 4 were charged. They stole a coat, bag and shoes…scrubber scumbags.
CCTV showed them all hanging out both before and after. Those adults been present at a number of these with different kids involved… Yet no charges.
I can assure everyone that bad parents never accept responsibility for their children’s behaviour. They blame other kids for corrupting them or they use their favourite cop out, blaming their kids School.
Great idea. Parents aren’t and shouldn’t be criminally responsible, but some clearly need some parenting help and a kick up the backside/a reason to make sure their kids don’t do it again.
That should be standard. Infact a great way to stop a lot of trouble. Kids do the crime them and parents jailed. Doubt they would act so tough then.
Parents are rightly responsible if they dog kills a person, but if their 14 year old stabs a girls to death, it’s not their fault…
I think ‘parental failures leading to X’ should be a crime…
Asking parents to be responsible? Does this mean you DON’T support more Government enforced internet controls on adult content?
I fully support this as long as you can catch and hold down a wee tosser who tries to threaten you with a knife. As the law stands now you can’t even touch a goddamn kid or you will be the one getting handcuffed when pigs arrive.
As they should. Raise your kids right and they won’t break the law.
This is just more focus on punishment for crimes than have already happened rather than taking a serious look at our criminal justice system, and the wider causes of crime.
Norway has a rehabilitation based system and has much lower reoffending rates than us, why don’t we look at that?
And why no talk about the wider causes of crime? Easy to blame parents, but why not look at poverty for example and lack of community and opportunity?
Do parents send their children to go break the law in all cases?
I’d back this , maybe it would be enough of a deterrent for parents to rein their kids in more .
Don’t know if it has already been mentioned. Can’t pin the blame on parents letting their kids run riot while they do whatever.
There are plenty of middle class people with kids that want to act like they are from a deprived area where this sort of behaviour tends to be more common because they think it’s cool.
One example, and I bet there are plenty others out there swept under the carpet.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/young-man-who-stabbed-yousef-26031032?utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
Political parties will have to be held responsible if their members break the law too. Works for me.
It’s not gonna be read but I’ll give my two cents anyways.
It’s in deprived neighbourhoods where young offenders are the largest issue. Although holding parents more accountable for their children’s actions is a good thing, that won’t necessarily solve the issue when it’s not just the parents, but the parents environment that makes it worse.
The concept of Boris Johnson’s ‘leveling up’ would of massively solved, or at least reduced the issue of young offenders. Where deprived areas receive extra funding for health and social care, increasing value produced and theoretical income of individuals. Issue is.. just like almost everything regarding Tory policy, their concepts are fantastic but their implementation is dogshit.
As long as we make CEO’s responsible for crimes their companies commit too!
WTF? Isn’t kin punishment against human rights laws?
When I was in the police, I couldn’t go a shift without someone saying “I just can’t control her, I don’t know what to do, they don’t listen to me” etc etc etc as we arrested their child for criminal damage/stealing/fighting for the umpteenth time.
Maybe some consequences for parents who are unable or unwilling to parent will be a good thing
I have a friend who adopted two kids. The birth mother was a booze/drug addict who used throughout both pregnancies and the kids have real problems as a result. The youngest one has zero self control, despite my friend’s excellent parenting. Gonna lock her up when he inevitably fucks up?
This is the standard applied in most European countries for minors committing crime. Nothing controversial here for me.
If ‘children’ are wicked enough to commit adult crimes, they should stand trial as adults.
I once read a leaflet that said we’re all children of God. So that’s my legal defence going forward.
But how does a parent correctly control their kids bad behaviours. The government has made them invincible from any sort of discipline. Neither parents nor teachers can even influence a kid who goes down the wrong path through the current means of discipline.
Way to put a huge amount of power in the hands of problem kids, now when they’re mad at their parents they can threaten to go out and get them in trouble.
I completely agree and support this move. Please read the article before you begin giving your two cents.
Well, what did they expect after making smacking literally a crime.
Bring back 90’s parenting.
Youths now have 0 respect