The combustion engine car ban is to climate change what replacing your shot glasses with smaller ones is to alcoholism.
edit: I’ll write this here instead of replying to everyone:
Electric cars are not GSG-free, they’re something like 30% less taxing on our atmosphere over their lifespan IF they are powered by renewable sources and it’s even less than that in terms of total environmental cost reduction, because they’re made of minerals that we’ll have to scour the Earth for if we want to scale up production.
If you have any idea what’s going on with our climate and biosphere, you realize how absurdly feeble of an attempt to keep our planet from going to hell switching to electric cars is.
If you want people to own Teslas so they can drive their asses to buy other shit they don’t need to survive, you better figure out how to grow wheat in 60C+ or start culling the human population to like 500 million tops.
How surprising /s
For what its worth, the responsible ministers stance on this baffles us as much as it does anyone else, and it’s moving the whole coalition a step closer to breaking up. I doubt he can hold this until the end.
No way!
Reasonable
Even if e-fuels are co2 neutral, they’d still pollute our cities. Also, I have my doubts that keeping combustion engines for longer will help German carmakers to adapt to the new realities. It’s a dead end. Make some exemptions for classic cars and give everyone certainty about where we are going.
fucken hope so.
We all should. Fiat 500 evo is 36 k EU. Fuck that I can buy new Passat with 2.0 diesel engine
Good. Electric cars are only for the well-off and rich people.
FDP, not the whole of Germany.
How do they want to control if those cars are operated with synthetic fuel or with fossil fuel?
They are right
It’s the FDP minister, who wants to include an exception for e-fuels, i.e. carbon neutral fuels. Which is a reasonable thing to do imo. Germany is also not the only country which is intending to block it. Poland, Hungary and Italy are going to vote against it as well.
FDP got elected for tax cuts. Then they delivered but most Germans realized “God damn I don’t even own a hotel”. So they threw them out of the parliament in the next election.
We’re now just in a new circle.
Why does EU want to ban combustion engines any way? That sounds too extreme. I don’t like extremes.
Germans are not happy with FDP either.
As long as electric cars remain extremely expensive I will continue to use petrol cars..
As they should, the timeframe for the ban is unreal, very far out of reality. We’re sitting with current energy issues because of compromises of that kind with unreal timeframes.
Very important info about this EU bill, since (rightwing) populists like Wissing are having a field day with it.
1. The EU is planning on banning sales of NEW combustion engine cars, not in general.
2. that means combustion engine cars sold and registered befor 2035 (around 350 million vehicular) are still allowed to be operated with eFuels.
3. that won’t kill eFuel development, they are still incredibly important for Planes, Ships and potentially Trucks.
4. eFuels are to expansive and inefficient for regular cars and privat use. They will be 2-3 times as expansive as Gasoline or Diesel. And the energy needed to crate on filling of eFuels could charge a comparable EV up to five times.
I hope this cleared up some misunderstanding about the EU bill and the entire topic
So utterly strange….. They are against nuclear, they burn coal and gas like there is no tomorrow and now they want to block the ban on combustion engines….
And yet they tell the world they are pro environment
Common sense. For many reasons:
1. First of all the transition time is not feasible
2. Electric cars are unaffordable for many folks. City dwellers can do without maybe but what about the rest of us? Guess we should go back to horses? Electricity is also way more expensive than it used to be.
3. I do not wish to support an industry that is built on the backs of poor people toiling in Africa, in inhumane conditions to supply cobalt and lithium for me to be green and so on. People are unaware of what is going on in the Congo. Siddarth Kara has written a book on this recently, it is absolutely heartbreaking. These corporations preaching to us are completely aware of the situation there but choose to ignore it. People are dying every single day. They are not even given protective equipment. Young mothers with children on their backs are being exposed to the toxicity of cobalt. This as bad if not worse than slavery.
4. I do not want the planet to be fucked up even more than it is to extract various rare earths so my hypocritical self can pat himself on the back for “saving the planet” at the expense of people I do not see and who’s lives are about to be turned upside down because of mining and soil destruction.
5. I think a diveristy of technologies is more appropriate rather than a single one. Synthetic fuels need to be incorporated gradually in regular fuel until it gets replaced outright. Creates a market for these fuels and spurrs investment in these technologies and manufacturing.
It will be difficult for VW to fake environmental regulations for electric vehicles
Efuels are the craziest, innevicent and most expensive thing ever. The FDP knows that, but the are lobbying for oil industry… like decades now. It’s a shame. Listen to the scientists.
Why do so many people think that an EV future means regular people can’t afford a car? EVs get cheaper all the time, and 12 years is a long time. EVs are much simpler machines than ICE cars, and require less service. That means cost savings all the way from the design process to the actual use of the car. The only expensive part of an EV is the battery, and as I said affordability improves constantly.
E fuels are as far away as hydrogen fuels. Ther e is noway that we the amount of green electricity for them avaiable in the next deacade.
Finally. Hopefully they can eventually stop this nonsense that destroys our economy.
To be fair, everyone should. The prices for new electric vehicles are and will remain very high. This is a problem, because by far most people buy second hand cars. Which for electric vehicles is still expensive and crap (because of battery degradation). And saying that people should drive less cars only works for city folks and then still you will need a car. Public transport won’t replace them, ever.
# FYI: this ban will not apply to cars already in use, only new ones.
The EU’s proposed ‘combustion engine car ban’ **will only affect the sales of new cars with combustion engines**, which won’t be allowed to be sold from 2035 onwards. If you own or buy a car with a combustion engine before 2035, no one will keep you from continuing to use it past 2035. **Used cars will also not be affected by this sales ban.**
It may be obvious, but I feel like it’s very important to stress this part. Especially to keep people from taking away a false message and spreading it.
Good, this ban is stupid. Even if you’re the most pro EV guy ever there’s no reason to ban ICE vehicles. Make electric vehicles and PT better and people will shift away from ICE vehicles over time. The problem literally solves itself but of course stupid government bureaucrats need to get involved to act like they did something. God politicians suck.
good
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It’s ok, the VW group will just lie about their emissions again. /s
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The combustion engine car ban is to climate change what replacing your shot glasses with smaller ones is to alcoholism.
edit: I’ll write this here instead of replying to everyone:
Electric cars are not GSG-free, they’re something like 30% less taxing on our atmosphere over their lifespan IF they are powered by renewable sources and it’s even less than that in terms of total environmental cost reduction, because they’re made of minerals that we’ll have to scour the Earth for if we want to scale up production.
If you have any idea what’s going on with our climate and biosphere, you realize how absurdly feeble of an attempt to keep our planet from going to hell switching to electric cars is.
If you want people to own Teslas so they can drive their asses to buy other shit they don’t need to survive, you better figure out how to grow wheat in 60C+ or start culling the human population to like 500 million tops.
How surprising /s
For what its worth, the responsible ministers stance on this baffles us as much as it does anyone else, and it’s moving the whole coalition a step closer to breaking up. I doubt he can hold this until the end.
No way!
Reasonable
Even if e-fuels are co2 neutral, they’d still pollute our cities. Also, I have my doubts that keeping combustion engines for longer will help German carmakers to adapt to the new realities. It’s a dead end. Make some exemptions for classic cars and give everyone certainty about where we are going.
fucken hope so.
We all should. Fiat 500 evo is 36 k EU. Fuck that I can buy new Passat with 2.0 diesel engine
Good. Electric cars are only for the well-off and rich people.
FDP, not the whole of Germany.
How do they want to control if those cars are operated with synthetic fuel or with fossil fuel?
They are right
It’s the FDP minister, who wants to include an exception for e-fuels, i.e. carbon neutral fuels. Which is a reasonable thing to do imo. Germany is also not the only country which is intending to block it. Poland, Hungary and Italy are going to vote against it as well.
FDP got elected for tax cuts. Then they delivered but most Germans realized “God damn I don’t even own a hotel”. So they threw them out of the parliament in the next election.
We’re now just in a new circle.
Why does EU want to ban combustion engines any way? That sounds too extreme. I don’t like extremes.
Germans are not happy with FDP either.
As long as electric cars remain extremely expensive I will continue to use petrol cars..
As they should, the timeframe for the ban is unreal, very far out of reality. We’re sitting with current energy issues because of compromises of that kind with unreal timeframes.
Very important info about this EU bill, since (rightwing) populists like Wissing are having a field day with it.
1. The EU is planning on banning sales of NEW combustion engine cars, not in general.
2. that means combustion engine cars sold and registered befor 2035 (around 350 million vehicular) are still allowed to be operated with eFuels.
3. that won’t kill eFuel development, they are still incredibly important for Planes, Ships and potentially Trucks.
4. eFuels are to expansive and inefficient for regular cars and privat use. They will be 2-3 times as expansive as Gasoline or Diesel. And the energy needed to crate on filling of eFuels could charge a comparable EV up to five times.
I hope this cleared up some misunderstanding about the EU bill and the entire topic
So utterly strange….. They are against nuclear, they burn coal and gas like there is no tomorrow and now they want to block the ban on combustion engines….
And yet they tell the world they are pro environment
Common sense. For many reasons:
1. First of all the transition time is not feasible
2. Electric cars are unaffordable for many folks. City dwellers can do without maybe but what about the rest of us? Guess we should go back to horses? Electricity is also way more expensive than it used to be.
3. I do not wish to support an industry that is built on the backs of poor people toiling in Africa, in inhumane conditions to supply cobalt and lithium for me to be green and so on. People are unaware of what is going on in the Congo. Siddarth Kara has written a book on this recently, it is absolutely heartbreaking. These corporations preaching to us are completely aware of the situation there but choose to ignore it. People are dying every single day. They are not even given protective equipment. Young mothers with children on their backs are being exposed to the toxicity of cobalt. This as bad if not worse than slavery.
4. I do not want the planet to be fucked up even more than it is to extract various rare earths so my hypocritical self can pat himself on the back for “saving the planet” at the expense of people I do not see and who’s lives are about to be turned upside down because of mining and soil destruction.
5. I think a diveristy of technologies is more appropriate rather than a single one. Synthetic fuels need to be incorporated gradually in regular fuel until it gets replaced outright. Creates a market for these fuels and spurrs investment in these technologies and manufacturing.
It will be difficult for VW to fake environmental regulations for electric vehicles
But I like my combustion engine car 🙁
They should allow them for hobbies at least
[https://twitter.com/VQuaschning/status/1630618574845886477](https://twitter.com/VQuaschning/status/1630618574845886477)
Efuels are the craziest, innevicent and most expensive thing ever. The FDP knows that, but the are lobbying for oil industry… like decades now. It’s a shame. Listen to the scientists.
Why do so many people think that an EV future means regular people can’t afford a car? EVs get cheaper all the time, and 12 years is a long time. EVs are much simpler machines than ICE cars, and require less service. That means cost savings all the way from the design process to the actual use of the car. The only expensive part of an EV is the battery, and as I said affordability improves constantly.
E fuels are as far away as hydrogen fuels. Ther e is noway that we the amount of green electricity for them avaiable in the next deacade.
Finally. Hopefully they can eventually stop this nonsense that destroys our economy.
To be fair, everyone should. The prices for new electric vehicles are and will remain very high. This is a problem, because by far most people buy second hand cars. Which for electric vehicles is still expensive and crap (because of battery degradation). And saying that people should drive less cars only works for city folks and then still you will need a car. Public transport won’t replace them, ever.
# FYI: this ban will not apply to cars already in use, only new ones.
The EU’s proposed ‘combustion engine car ban’ **will only affect the sales of new cars with combustion engines**, which won’t be allowed to be sold from 2035 onwards. If you own or buy a car with a combustion engine before 2035, no one will keep you from continuing to use it past 2035. **Used cars will also not be affected by this sales ban.**
It may be obvious, but I feel like it’s very important to stress this part. Especially to keep people from taking away a false message and spreading it.
Good, this ban is stupid. Even if you’re the most pro EV guy ever there’s no reason to ban ICE vehicles. Make electric vehicles and PT better and people will shift away from ICE vehicles over time. The problem literally solves itself but of course stupid government bureaucrats need to get involved to act like they did something. God politicians suck.
good
.
It’s ok, the VW group will just lie about their emissions again. /s