Gotta love the EU and nations so seamlessly 💫co-operating💫
Makes sense. Europe does not have enough power plants to replace every car with an electric
They are going to have a hard time buying them since all the big manufacturers won’t be making them anymore as most countries will have switched to electric.
Fuck the FDP and their e-fuel nonsense.
No one holds onto the industrial past like Germany. Bravo
Time to stockpile some M3s and Rs6s
The last paragraph is good. Indeed force countries to invest in infrastructure and build chargers across main roads.
West of Europe is prepared even now to fully transition, at least this is how i see it, with Netherlands at 80k chargers, Germany 50k and so on. Even if there are gaps here and there they will be ready by 2035.
Eastern Europe though, not only it is not investing anything, but its even sabotaging those who try to do something. Few examples. Astronomical prices for energy for some smaller firms trying to install chargers, close to 6 times the residential price when the smart guys in energy sell at 4 times the residential price at their chargers. So small firms are forced to sell at a loss, if they want to install chargers and have customers, or at that huge price + a delta for their profits, but in this case who will use those chargers, it will look like a rip off, while they don’t have an option if they want to stay in business. Or imagine that for prosumers it is now mandatory to have a meter between their solar pannels and their batteries. Why? Corrupt politicians were thinking to put a tax on seft consumption. They didn’t yet, but the meter is there, and they can do it at any time.
Damnit Germany!
Good for them.
Now start building nuclear reactors and tell the Greens to fuck off.
Italy 🤝🏻 Germany
Automobile industry is still very powerfull here
We too hate the FDP.
Maybe first make sure energy stays affordable and stable and that the power grids can handle it…also good luck if the US and EU want to sanction China for what is happening with Russia…who gonna produce all that electric stuff?
Based. Fill me with downvotes neckbeards
too many gas car makers in germany
The funny thing is – Toyota was very careful about the e hype train, they knew it will not be super easy even when they had the tech advantage
Good, someone is still thinking.
If this ban goes through Germany is FINISHED!.
No gas, not enough electricity, no cash, exports wrecked, no nuclear power, inflation, their healthcare is dying (soon they will have to pay cause they’re running out of cash), they dont have enough workers in pretty much every field, their old bureaucratic systems and regulations that kill any innovation or productivity… and if this goes through Germany will enter a deep decline into irrelevance as France will become the dominant force in the EU.
They are independent, have nuclear power, nukes, not occupied by the US, an actual effective military, vast influence all over africa and the world.. while germany is just becoming a pathetic de-industrializing weak state with no ambition nor vision for the future.
What a sad, sad country, really. The future is in the middle east, oil rich regions. Europe will just become a battleground for america/france/britain/russia to fight their proxy wars.
And the really cringe thing is, germans are letting themselves get guilt tripped by americans.. that do absolutely nothing for the environment and their gas still costs less than a cheeseburger per liter lmao..
Electric cars are not the future of sustinability that people think they are. They’re simply another way to push the responsibility, and the majority of the bill, on citizens, rather than governments and corporations. It’s somehow easier to force millions of people to do something than to force a handful of millionares to do anything.
Synthetic fuels could be a reality now if there was widely available clean power. Right now most hydrogen production is through the refinement of fossil fuels but it would be possible at large scales through electrolysis if the electricity used came from sustainable and clean sources, like for example nuclear power plants. The carbon part of the hydrocarbon can come through other various methods, like carbon capture, which also requires a lot of electricity. Carbon Capturing is something that will most likely happen anyways since at this point there’s no way to passively stop global warming, unless we do something proactive and find a way to remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere.
With synthetic fuels you make cars effectively carbon neutral. Yes they’re putting out CO2 in the atmosphere but that CO2 will just be used to make fuel again, they won’t be putting out any more CO2 than there already is and in practice production of synthetic fuels will remove more CO2 than is put out by cars using the fuel because no process is perfect and lossless.
What’s the benefit of using synthetic fuels? Or Hydrogen ICE engines, or hydrogen fuel cell EVs? Well the benefit is that you’re not forcing literally everyone to buy a new car, something most people can’t actually do, hell the EU is currently in a cost of living crisis that seems to have no end. ICE engines are incredibly refined and versatile as technologies, in a way that electric motors may never be. Focusing on clean energy production and a handful of facilities to make the fuel is arguably a cheaper option than upending and changing infrastructure everywhere so that charging is viable and accessible for everyone. In fact even if ICE engines are banned and everyone has EVs and there’s chargers everywhere, it doesn’t matter at all if the power at those chargers hasn’t been produced in a sustainable way, so I think you get what I’m getting at here, clean energy production is something we’ll have to do anyways.
Or you could just band ICE cars, villainise people who don’t want to get an EV or can’t get an EV, push the responsibility on average citizens and at the same time give a good excuse for car companies to ramp up their production to never before seen levels, along with the environmental harm that increased battery production will bring, and claim you’re doing it for the environment. We don’t even know if we’ll be actually able to meet production demands for EVs with a 2035 deadline.
This ban is delusional on so many levels. You can’t sign a decree to fix a technological problem. They should fund battery research instead.
Because it is bullshit! Just causing problems for own industry, making Elon rich with minimal positive effect on the environment. How about first banning coal power plants across the continent?
What people should consider is that EVs are not the future. They might be a step towards the future but it’s just an intermediate one. Thus, we should avoid putting all our eggs in one basket.
of course! What did you expected?
I think forcing anything is a dumb idea. If electric cars will be much better in the future, most people will have electric one. No need to force it
EVs are the future but sadly Europe is stuck in the past, as always.
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Gotta love the EU and nations so seamlessly 💫co-operating💫
Makes sense. Europe does not have enough power plants to replace every car with an electric
They are going to have a hard time buying them since all the big manufacturers won’t be making them anymore as most countries will have switched to electric.
Fuck the FDP and their e-fuel nonsense.
No one holds onto the industrial past like Germany. Bravo
Time to stockpile some M3s and Rs6s
The last paragraph is good. Indeed force countries to invest in infrastructure and build chargers across main roads.
West of Europe is prepared even now to fully transition, at least this is how i see it, with Netherlands at 80k chargers, Germany 50k and so on. Even if there are gaps here and there they will be ready by 2035.
Eastern Europe though, not only it is not investing anything, but its even sabotaging those who try to do something. Few examples. Astronomical prices for energy for some smaller firms trying to install chargers, close to 6 times the residential price when the smart guys in energy sell at 4 times the residential price at their chargers. So small firms are forced to sell at a loss, if they want to install chargers and have customers, or at that huge price + a delta for their profits, but in this case who will use those chargers, it will look like a rip off, while they don’t have an option if they want to stay in business. Or imagine that for prosumers it is now mandatory to have a meter between their solar pannels and their batteries. Why? Corrupt politicians were thinking to put a tax on seft consumption. They didn’t yet, but the meter is there, and they can do it at any time.
Damnit Germany!
Good for them.
Now start building nuclear reactors and tell the Greens to fuck off.
Italy 🤝🏻 Germany
Automobile industry is still very powerfull here
We too hate the FDP.
Maybe first make sure energy stays affordable and stable and that the power grids can handle it…also good luck if the US and EU want to sanction China for what is happening with Russia…who gonna produce all that electric stuff?
Based. Fill me with downvotes neckbeards
too many gas car makers in germany
The funny thing is – Toyota was very careful about the e hype train, they knew it will not be super easy even when they had the tech advantage
Good, someone is still thinking.
If this ban goes through Germany is FINISHED!.
No gas, not enough electricity, no cash, exports wrecked, no nuclear power, inflation, their healthcare is dying (soon they will have to pay cause they’re running out of cash), they dont have enough workers in pretty much every field, their old bureaucratic systems and regulations that kill any innovation or productivity… and if this goes through Germany will enter a deep decline into irrelevance as France will become the dominant force in the EU.
They are independent, have nuclear power, nukes, not occupied by the US, an actual effective military, vast influence all over africa and the world.. while germany is just becoming a pathetic de-industrializing weak state with no ambition nor vision for the future.
What a sad, sad country, really. The future is in the middle east, oil rich regions. Europe will just become a battleground for america/france/britain/russia to fight their proxy wars.
And the really cringe thing is, germans are letting themselves get guilt tripped by americans.. that do absolutely nothing for the environment and their gas still costs less than a cheeseburger per liter lmao..
Electric cars are not the future of sustinability that people think they are. They’re simply another way to push the responsibility, and the majority of the bill, on citizens, rather than governments and corporations. It’s somehow easier to force millions of people to do something than to force a handful of millionares to do anything.
Synthetic fuels could be a reality now if there was widely available clean power. Right now most hydrogen production is through the refinement of fossil fuels but it would be possible at large scales through electrolysis if the electricity used came from sustainable and clean sources, like for example nuclear power plants. The carbon part of the hydrocarbon can come through other various methods, like carbon capture, which also requires a lot of electricity. Carbon Capturing is something that will most likely happen anyways since at this point there’s no way to passively stop global warming, unless we do something proactive and find a way to remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere.
With synthetic fuels you make cars effectively carbon neutral. Yes they’re putting out CO2 in the atmosphere but that CO2 will just be used to make fuel again, they won’t be putting out any more CO2 than there already is and in practice production of synthetic fuels will remove more CO2 than is put out by cars using the fuel because no process is perfect and lossless.
What’s the benefit of using synthetic fuels? Or Hydrogen ICE engines, or hydrogen fuel cell EVs? Well the benefit is that you’re not forcing literally everyone to buy a new car, something most people can’t actually do, hell the EU is currently in a cost of living crisis that seems to have no end. ICE engines are incredibly refined and versatile as technologies, in a way that electric motors may never be. Focusing on clean energy production and a handful of facilities to make the fuel is arguably a cheaper option than upending and changing infrastructure everywhere so that charging is viable and accessible for everyone. In fact even if ICE engines are banned and everyone has EVs and there’s chargers everywhere, it doesn’t matter at all if the power at those chargers hasn’t been produced in a sustainable way, so I think you get what I’m getting at here, clean energy production is something we’ll have to do anyways.
Or you could just band ICE cars, villainise people who don’t want to get an EV or can’t get an EV, push the responsibility on average citizens and at the same time give a good excuse for car companies to ramp up their production to never before seen levels, along with the environmental harm that increased battery production will bring, and claim you’re doing it for the environment. We don’t even know if we’ll be actually able to meet production demands for EVs with a 2035 deadline.
This ban is delusional on so many levels. You can’t sign a decree to fix a technological problem. They should fund battery research instead.
Because it is bullshit! Just causing problems for own industry, making Elon rich with minimal positive effect on the environment. How about first banning coal power plants across the continent?
What people should consider is that EVs are not the future. They might be a step towards the future but it’s just an intermediate one. Thus, we should avoid putting all our eggs in one basket.
of course! What did you expected?
I think forcing anything is a dumb idea. If electric cars will be much better in the future, most people will have electric one. No need to force it
EVs are the future but sadly Europe is stuck in the past, as always.