This reinforces what I’ve always known, Norwegians and Swedes= bastards.
Sincerely a Dane.
I like France anticlericanism.
Marriage is a sham and countries like Latvia forcing them on our citizens to recieve basic family services like hospital visitation is complete bullshit. I don’t need the state in my family. Nor did my parents.
Ah, I figured Estonia was an exception regarding most children being born outside of marriage. Turns out we are right in the middle of the Western countries.
I wonder if the fact that we had more divorces than marriages in 1995 continues to be exceptional or have any other country experienced something like that as well?
France baise ouais !
Now do it for firstborns!
Strange, I remember 2020 data for Hungary and it was roughly 44%. But as the government is handing out a lot of money in recent years for married couples who have kids, it is probably not surprising that couples being together rather get married and grab the money now, thus the decline. I fail to see the difference between having a kid in marriage vs outside marriage. None of it should be superior to the other when it comes to benefits. When these benefits are phased out, the figure will probably jump back to 44-46.
I mean as long as they are born who cares if its out of wedlock lol… all euro nations from what i know have a very poor birthrate. Gotta pump those numbers up.
Worth noting to people that being born out of wedlock does not mean in some countries what it would’ve meant fifty or a hundred years ago.
And this is not the case of ‘shotgun’ weddings. Speaking anecdotally, perhaps, but I’ve known many Dutch couples who had very planned and wanted children first before then getting married.
So whereas once-upon-a-time this statistic might have reflected the stability of families (and e.g. correlated to the number of single mothers), nowadays at least in some cases it also reflects the changed timing where marriage is a mid-life decision of people who have already started families as opposed to something people do in order to start families.
I expected it to be many, but not that many. How did this come to be? What specifically is happening in France and Scandinavia?
Everybody is complaining about marriage these days, but it still feels like people (men, predominantly) are reluctantly getting married anyway when it comes to kids.
I know a French couple who only got married after their kids were born and those kids were flower girls at the wedding
Something to consider are differences in taxing.
For example, in Germany, it can be beneficial for a pair to be married (regardless of children), in Austria it doesn’t matter.
*Niceland*.
France allows civil unions (PACS), which offers almost the same level of benefits as a marriage. The 62.2% statistic does not have to mean that most French are bastards, we just have an alternative to marriage.
I’m very surprised by France, I know they have very strong pro-natalist policies and stuff, I would have thought a lot of them require you to be legally married to apply for and receive those benefits?
Even if many children born out of registered marriages doesn’t mean much. Many fathers raise not their biological children.
I’d say that in Croatia it’s very common to become pregnant and then hastly organize a wedding before the child is born.
The french sure are bastards
Marriage is a joke for fashionistas. 25 years that I share my life with my partner we have a 13 year old son. And we don’t feel it necessary for some asshole in church or town hall to put us into a false stereotype.
Can someone please explain this to me?
Children before marriage was never a choice.
-Turkey
Eastern European values
Your title is the exact opposite of the map.
“Born out of marriage” = born to married parents
“Born outside of marriage” = born out of wedlock = not born to married parents
I always knew those icelandic folks were bastards
More than often, those relationships are like marriage without it put on the paper. Both my sister and my best friend got children outside marriage but are engaged and haven’t had the ceremony from various reasons (COVID, bureaucratic, financial etc.).
Jeee Estonia can into Nordics again
France’s high percentage might be explained by the fact that “le PACS” is quite popular there (which is basically being married without being married).
I amazed that this map doesn’t use the color red, betraying the author’s views.
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Source: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/tps00018/default/table?lang=en
This reinforces what I’ve always known, Norwegians and Swedes= bastards.
Sincerely a Dane.
I like France anticlericanism.
Marriage is a sham and countries like Latvia forcing them on our citizens to recieve basic family services like hospital visitation is complete bullshit. I don’t need the state in my family. Nor did my parents.
Ah, I figured Estonia was an exception regarding most children being born outside of marriage. Turns out we are right in the middle of the Western countries.
I wonder if the fact that we had more divorces than marriages in 1995 continues to be exceptional or have any other country experienced something like that as well?
France baise ouais !
Now do it for firstborns!
Strange, I remember 2020 data for Hungary and it was roughly 44%. But as the government is handing out a lot of money in recent years for married couples who have kids, it is probably not surprising that couples being together rather get married and grab the money now, thus the decline. I fail to see the difference between having a kid in marriage vs outside marriage. None of it should be superior to the other when it comes to benefits. When these benefits are phased out, the figure will probably jump back to 44-46.
I mean as long as they are born who cares if its out of wedlock lol… all euro nations from what i know have a very poor birthrate. Gotta pump those numbers up.
Worth noting to people that being born out of wedlock does not mean in some countries what it would’ve meant fifty or a hundred years ago.
At least in the Netherlands, committed couples having children before getting married is now common enough that “women marry for the first time when they are 30.3 on average, but have their first baby at the age of 29.4 years.” ([Source](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Archive:Marriages_and_births_in_the_Netherlands))
And this is not the case of ‘shotgun’ weddings. Speaking anecdotally, perhaps, but I’ve known many Dutch couples who had very planned and wanted children first before then getting married.
So whereas once-upon-a-time this statistic might have reflected the stability of families (and e.g. correlated to the number of single mothers), nowadays at least in some cases it also reflects the changed timing where marriage is a mid-life decision of people who have already started families as opposed to something people do in order to start families.
I expected it to be many, but not that many. How did this come to be? What specifically is happening in France and Scandinavia?
Everybody is complaining about marriage these days, but it still feels like people (men, predominantly) are reluctantly getting married anyway when it comes to kids.
I know a French couple who only got married after their kids were born and those kids were flower girls at the wedding
Something to consider are differences in taxing.
For example, in Germany, it can be beneficial for a pair to be married (regardless of children), in Austria it doesn’t matter.
*Niceland*.
France allows civil unions (PACS), which offers almost the same level of benefits as a marriage. The 62.2% statistic does not have to mean that most French are bastards, we just have an alternative to marriage.
I’m very surprised by France, I know they have very strong pro-natalist policies and stuff, I would have thought a lot of them require you to be legally married to apply for and receive those benefits?
Even if many children born out of registered marriages doesn’t mean much. Many fathers raise not their biological children.
I’d say that in Croatia it’s very common to become pregnant and then hastly organize a wedding before the child is born.
The french sure are bastards
Marriage is a joke for fashionistas. 25 years that I share my life with my partner we have a 13 year old son. And we don’t feel it necessary for some asshole in church or town hall to put us into a false stereotype.
Can someone please explain this to me?
Children before marriage was never a choice.
-Turkey
Eastern European values
Your title is the exact opposite of the map.
“Born out of marriage” = born to married parents
“Born outside of marriage” = born out of wedlock = not born to married parents
I always knew those icelandic folks were bastards
More than often, those relationships are like marriage without it put on the paper. Both my sister and my best friend got children outside marriage but are engaged and haven’t had the ceremony from various reasons (COVID, bureaucratic, financial etc.).
Jeee Estonia can into Nordics again
France’s high percentage might be explained by the fact that “le PACS” is quite popular there (which is basically being married without being married).
I amazed that this map doesn’t use the color red, betraying the author’s views.