I’d like to think this where the conspiracy movement “jumped the shark” but Qanon’s origins theory is far crazier and that was some years ago now.
Also makes me wonder if a substantial part of the population was always quite mad under a functional facade or if it really is a degenerative side effect of the internet. That we’re not all able to stay rational when exposed to it at length.
Really sad to watch Ireland follow America and Britain’s lead on this stuff. Always thought it was an evangelical thing, they take themselves seriously compared to catholics.
You had an English group on Twitter complaining that the 15 minute concept would rob them of family bonding time on commutes. Legitimate mutants.
Look at the case of Oxford UK what’s theory about it ? Why does criticism or even skepticism towards these new “climate measures” have to be branded as crazy
Conspiracy theorists are afraid of everything so… 🤷♂️
Conspiracy theorists are living rent-free in The Journal’s head.
This is like the flat earth stuff, it is ridiculous but divulging it only makes it work and attract more cranks
I’m just going to point out – despite what folks in this thread and elsewhere have said, this nuttery *is* already here. My local town is plagued by that Alive bollocks, I get it regularly pushed through my letterbox and stacks of it are left around the local shops. The 15 minute city stuff is all over it.
So it’s not just Facebook, the whole stupid nonsense bundle is being delivered on paper to any number of people.
Part of the reason I’m so cynical about our chances of doing anything to slow or halt climate change is stuff like this btw. It’s going to need dramatic action, but as Covid has shown, any tangible measures taken on that scale will be used for fanfiction by loons. Enough people have absolutely no defence against that shit to make those big swings politically costly.
I think the idea of 15 minutes cities has some merit but it is going to run into problems very very quickly. Existing urban developments don’t follow the idea also it runs contrary to the centre of excellence in healthcare.
Freedom is slavery, amirite?
This reminds me of people I’ve seen on here saying that electric cars herald the end freedom, because supposedly they (you know, them) would be able to disable it at the push of a button.
As if driving a car that runs on petrol imported from the Saudis and Algerians makes you more robustly independent that having a car that runs on the sunlight that literally everyone has access to.
I saw posts of random gates and turnstiles in China used as proof of the 15 minute city plot in their head
I worked on this when in Dublin City Council, I’m the one responsible for the parks department side of this. Sorry for the nutty protestors, it’s partly my fault.
DCC just wanted to know the best place to put new playgrounds, football pitches, and other park amenities within walking distance of Dublin’s population, make it easy for people to access parks on foot, 10 minutes for children and 15 minutes for adults.
I simply mapped all the parks and all current facilities (playgrounds, soccer pitches, basketball courts, GAA pitches, camogie, handball etc., there’s was one skate park, there’s also a park that has a couple of table tennis tables).
I then compared these parks and recreational facilities with a detailed population map, from the CSO, then ran an analysis. I worked out how far people lived from these parks and recreational facilities. The ideal was to have everything within 10 minutes walking for children (who walk to playgrounds in their neighborhood) and 15 minutes walking distance for adults who want go play a game of soccer, basketball etc.
This also requires understanding the age of an area. You don’t put a new playground in the middle of a old estate where there’s too few children, they should be built close to new housing estates. Common sense.
Anyways, it’s madness people are protesting against this.
My analysis helped inform DCC of the areas that where undeserved, lacked playgrounds, basketball course, soccer pitches, skate parks within walking distance from people. The new facilities should built within walking distance from where people live, playgrounds near where children live. Nothing sinister
By the way, it was just a simple analysis. I wanted to improve my results with routing analysis, following the roads and footpaths, but they were happy with a simple buffer calculation (I know more about GIS, this was an internship and got me into GIS career. Today I’d run a service area analysis using the road/footpath network, using QNEAT3 or HERE’S api).
The frightening thing about that article debunking the conspiracy theorists is if you go to the comments below it is full of conspiracy theorist loons all upvoting it being a plot to lock people down. They clearly didnt read anything in the article because they are already so far down the rabbit hole on Facebook and to them articles like the above debunking this rubbish are just more evidence of the wider conspiracy. If it was just a handful of upvotes Id laugh but some comments have 400+, thats a lot of loons about the place.
I literally am studying urban planning in college
A 15 minute city is a good thing
We have far too many idiots who buy into this conspiracy nonsense. We need to stop giving these people the time of day.
I live in a 5 minute town. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it green/far right loonies.
Huge social change is coming of coarse I’m terrified. Will there be any retirement in 25 years? What will healthcare look like when most people are over 50? What will the cost of living be like?
It’s a good idea but should come with a guarantee that fines would never be issued and fees never placed for access.
This is just insane, all we want is to be able to go buy shopping in the city center and not early die because the roads and traffic is so bad.
Like I cycle and its OK for me just a little hairy, my girlfriend flat out won’t cycle because she feels its too dangerous, I can see where she’s coming from.
Unfortunately, you’re going to see all sorts of whacko takes on completely innocuous and innovensive aspects of public policy because the loons have been activated since the COVID protests during the lockdowns.
They found common cause, and they feel that their conspiracy theories were proven correct because they witnessed governments imposing restrictions to combat the worst phases of the pandemic. Whether those measures were broadly supported or not or were subject to democratic oversight won’t be relevant to them.
They are triggered and they’re connected and you’ll now see them popping up for years on all sorts of totally ludicrous topics from 5G, 15 min cities to smart meters etc etc.
It’s not unique to Ireland but we’re not going to be an exception to the phenomenon either. You’re seeing the tinfoil hat brigade feeling very confident and energised and willing to turn up marching about utterly ludicrous conspiracy theories.
It’s facilitated by social media networking and it’s very much international in scope – we’re going to see the same lines form the US, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, France, Germany, Scandinavia, Netherlands etc etc spilling in here.
This exact article was in the examiner about a week ago.
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How is there a conspiracy about this?
I’d like to think this where the conspiracy movement “jumped the shark” but Qanon’s origins theory is far crazier and that was some years ago now.
Also makes me wonder if a substantial part of the population was always quite mad under a functional facade or if it really is a degenerative side effect of the internet. That we’re not all able to stay rational when exposed to it at length.
Really sad to watch Ireland follow America and Britain’s lead on this stuff. Always thought it was an evangelical thing, they take themselves seriously compared to catholics.
You had an English group on Twitter complaining that the 15 minute concept would rob them of family bonding time on commutes. Legitimate mutants.
Look at the case of Oxford UK what’s theory about it ? Why does criticism or even skepticism towards these new “climate measures” have to be branded as crazy
Conspiracy theorists are afraid of everything so… 🤷♂️
Conspiracy theorists are living rent-free in The Journal’s head.
This is like the flat earth stuff, it is ridiculous but divulging it only makes it work and attract more cranks
I’m just going to point out – despite what folks in this thread and elsewhere have said, this nuttery *is* already here. My local town is plagued by that Alive bollocks, I get it regularly pushed through my letterbox and stacks of it are left around the local shops. The 15 minute city stuff is all over it.
So it’s not just Facebook, the whole stupid nonsense bundle is being delivered on paper to any number of people.
Part of the reason I’m so cynical about our chances of doing anything to slow or halt climate change is stuff like this btw. It’s going to need dramatic action, but as Covid has shown, any tangible measures taken on that scale will be used for fanfiction by loons. Enough people have absolutely no defence against that shit to make those big swings politically costly.
I think the idea of 15 minutes cities has some merit but it is going to run into problems very very quickly. Existing urban developments don’t follow the idea also it runs contrary to the centre of excellence in healthcare.
Freedom is slavery, amirite?
This reminds me of people I’ve seen on here saying that electric cars herald the end freedom, because supposedly they (you know, them) would be able to disable it at the push of a button.
As if driving a car that runs on petrol imported from the Saudis and Algerians makes you more robustly independent that having a car that runs on the sunlight that literally everyone has access to.
I saw posts of random gates and turnstiles in China used as proof of the 15 minute city plot in their head
https://preview.redd.it/1frik6nm4lka1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=8b4777f0b04667393df39a4eba725fa4626b5710
But it’s clearly a fucking school.
I worked on this when in Dublin City Council, I’m the one responsible for the parks department side of this. Sorry for the nutty protestors, it’s partly my fault.
DCC just wanted to know the best place to put new playgrounds, football pitches, and other park amenities within walking distance of Dublin’s population, make it easy for people to access parks on foot, 10 minutes for children and 15 minutes for adults.
I simply mapped all the parks and all current facilities (playgrounds, soccer pitches, basketball courts, GAA pitches, camogie, handball etc., there’s was one skate park, there’s also a park that has a couple of table tennis tables).
I then compared these parks and recreational facilities with a detailed population map, from the CSO, then ran an analysis. I worked out how far people lived from these parks and recreational facilities. The ideal was to have everything within 10 minutes walking for children (who walk to playgrounds in their neighborhood) and 15 minutes walking distance for adults who want go play a game of soccer, basketball etc.
This also requires understanding the age of an area. You don’t put a new playground in the middle of a old estate where there’s too few children, they should be built close to new housing estates. Common sense.
Anyways, it’s madness people are protesting against this.
My analysis helped inform DCC of the areas that where undeserved, lacked playgrounds, basketball course, soccer pitches, skate parks within walking distance from people. The new facilities should built within walking distance from where people live, playgrounds near where children live. Nothing sinister
By the way, it was just a simple analysis. I wanted to improve my results with routing analysis, following the roads and footpaths, but they were happy with a simple buffer calculation (I know more about GIS, this was an internship and got me into GIS career. Today I’d run a service area analysis using the road/footpath network, using QNEAT3 or HERE’S api).
The frightening thing about that article debunking the conspiracy theorists is if you go to the comments below it is full of conspiracy theorist loons all upvoting it being a plot to lock people down. They clearly didnt read anything in the article because they are already so far down the rabbit hole on Facebook and to them articles like the above debunking this rubbish are just more evidence of the wider conspiracy. If it was just a handful of upvotes Id laugh but some comments have 400+, thats a lot of loons about the place.
I literally am studying urban planning in college
A 15 minute city is a good thing
We have far too many idiots who buy into this conspiracy nonsense. We need to stop giving these people the time of day.
I live in a 5 minute town. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it green/far right loonies.
Huge social change is coming of coarse I’m terrified. Will there be any retirement in 25 years? What will healthcare look like when most people are over 50? What will the cost of living be like?
It’s a good idea but should come with a guarantee that fines would never be issued and fees never placed for access.
This is just insane, all we want is to be able to go buy shopping in the city center and not early die because the roads and traffic is so bad.
Like I cycle and its OK for me just a little hairy, my girlfriend flat out won’t cycle because she feels its too dangerous, I can see where she’s coming from.
Unfortunately, you’re going to see all sorts of whacko takes on completely innocuous and innovensive aspects of public policy because the loons have been activated since the COVID protests during the lockdowns.
They found common cause, and they feel that their conspiracy theories were proven correct because they witnessed governments imposing restrictions to combat the worst phases of the pandemic. Whether those measures were broadly supported or not or were subject to democratic oversight won’t be relevant to them.
They are triggered and they’re connected and you’ll now see them popping up for years on all sorts of totally ludicrous topics from 5G, 15 min cities to smart meters etc etc.
It’s not unique to Ireland but we’re not going to be an exception to the phenomenon either. You’re seeing the tinfoil hat brigade feeling very confident and energised and willing to turn up marching about utterly ludicrous conspiracy theories.
It’s facilitated by social media networking and it’s very much international in scope – we’re going to see the same lines form the US, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, France, Germany, Scandinavia, Netherlands etc etc spilling in here.
This exact article was in the examiner about a week ago.