Now if they could offer the same to nurses, junior doctors and ambulance crew, that’d be great.
Good to see that the initial 2% offer was raised to 7% back payed from July and another 5% going forward though this still doesn’t fully account for current inflation.
It is still a pay cut though…
I think media should be more honest about it, but I guest they don’t want to anger the government and potentially lose licence.
> A majority of FBU members voted for a new offer of a 7% rise backdated to July last year and a 5% increase from July this year after voting in January to go on strike when offered a 2% pay offer.
These headlines always lead like it’s some massive amount these folks are getting bumped by. No. They haven’t even received last year’s payrise yet, never mind being snubbed this year. All of these public sectors backdate payrises _every bloody year_ and just drag it out. That’s time where that money doesn’t exist in those people’s pockets.
I’m glad they got a pay rise which they found acceptable, but the headline is pretty misleading.
A 12% pay rise with inflation at 10% to 13% makes it sound like they’re getting a settlement that’s broadly in line with inflation. But they’re not. This settlement is over two years so they’re getting pay rises which are a lot lower than inflation:
> They will get a 7% rise backdated to last July and from July this year will receive another 5% increase.
I’m glad the strike has been averted, but they deserve more!
Sounds good until you realise that there’s no extra funding to pay for these increases – so fire and rescue services will have to make cuts to pay for them.
I don’t really see why they’ve voted to accept it. Why not have the strike anyway and hold out for something more reasonable?
On the average, how long does it take between strikes? A year?
You know they’ll have to strike again. Maybe for next year’s pay rise?
Soldiers still haven’t had a pay rise and they’re the ones that jump in when ll these people go on strike. More insulting is that they’re pid less than the strikers wanting more money.
All well and good having a inflation linked payrise but problem is their pay won’t go down if we suffer from deflation (highly likely chance of deep recession)
People forget too, the people working in public services have amazing pension schemes, when they retire they’re basically as rich as when they’re working, which isn’t the case for most people.
Almost all tax revenue is generated via employees (or the self employed), via income tax, NI, ENI, VAT and fuel duty.
Presumably if you fixed public sector wage growth to private sector wage growth, the growth in these public wages would be (roughly) reflected by the growth in tax receipts. Hell maybe more than matched considering the threshold freezes.
I know there’s the argument that private sector pay growth isn’t sufficient, but it’s a damn sight higher than in the public sector. It doesn’t fix the 15 years of atrophying public sector real wages, but it would be a realistic way to stop it repeating after it’s (hopefully, but I’m not holding my breath) addressed.
I thought they couldn’t give anyone pay rise because this would bake in inflation?
So which is it?
This is amazing, but I’m pretty sure the government only offered 2% and the Fire brigade Union offered 10%.
The 2% from the government is absolutely pathetic
That is a ridiculous amount. They didn’t deserve so much. So who pays the rich like me ? I don’t get that because it’s immoral (I won’t use the fir service anymore than anyone else) and I’ll move it all to Malta. So you don’t get anything.
My guess is that coming up to the election we’ll be seeing loads of these stories (which are still a real-terms pay cut) and everybody will forget how awful all the other years have been.
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Now if they could offer the same to nurses, junior doctors and ambulance crew, that’d be great.
Good to see that the initial 2% offer was raised to 7% back payed from July and another 5% going forward though this still doesn’t fully account for current inflation.
It is still a pay cut though…
I think media should be more honest about it, but I guest they don’t want to anger the government and potentially lose licence.
> A majority of FBU members voted for a new offer of a 7% rise backdated to July last year and a 5% increase from July this year after voting in January to go on strike when offered a 2% pay offer.
These headlines always lead like it’s some massive amount these folks are getting bumped by. No. They haven’t even received last year’s payrise yet, never mind being snubbed this year. All of these public sectors backdate payrises _every bloody year_ and just drag it out. That’s time where that money doesn’t exist in those people’s pockets.
I’m glad they got a pay rise which they found acceptable, but the headline is pretty misleading.
A 12% pay rise with inflation at 10% to 13% makes it sound like they’re getting a settlement that’s broadly in line with inflation. But they’re not. This settlement is over two years so they’re getting pay rises which are a lot lower than inflation:
> They will get a 7% rise backdated to last July and from July this year will receive another 5% increase.
I’m glad the strike has been averted, but they deserve more!
Sounds good until you realise that there’s no extra funding to pay for these increases – so fire and rescue services will have to make cuts to pay for them.
I don’t really see why they’ve voted to accept it. Why not have the strike anyway and hold out for something more reasonable?
On the average, how long does it take between strikes? A year?
You know they’ll have to strike again. Maybe for next year’s pay rise?
Soldiers still haven’t had a pay rise and they’re the ones that jump in when ll these people go on strike. More insulting is that they’re pid less than the strikers wanting more money.
All well and good having a inflation linked payrise but problem is their pay won’t go down if we suffer from deflation (highly likely chance of deep recession)
People forget too, the people working in public services have amazing pension schemes, when they retire they’re basically as rich as when they’re working, which isn’t the case for most people.
Almost all tax revenue is generated via employees (or the self employed), via income tax, NI, ENI, VAT and fuel duty.
Presumably if you fixed public sector wage growth to private sector wage growth, the growth in these public wages would be (roughly) reflected by the growth in tax receipts. Hell maybe more than matched considering the threshold freezes.
I know there’s the argument that private sector pay growth isn’t sufficient, but it’s a damn sight higher than in the public sector. It doesn’t fix the 15 years of atrophying public sector real wages, but it would be a realistic way to stop it repeating after it’s (hopefully, but I’m not holding my breath) addressed.
I thought they couldn’t give anyone pay rise because this would bake in inflation?
So which is it?
This is amazing, but I’m pretty sure the government only offered 2% and the Fire brigade Union offered 10%.
The 2% from the government is absolutely pathetic
That is a ridiculous amount. They didn’t deserve so much. So who pays the rich like me ? I don’t get that because it’s immoral (I won’t use the fir service anymore than anyone else) and I’ll move it all to Malta. So you don’t get anything.
My guess is that coming up to the election we’ll be seeing loads of these stories (which are still a real-terms pay cut) and everybody will forget how awful all the other years have been.