Largely meaningless without a change to a proportional representation voting system.
We tried that with Change UK. Change the voting system first.
I wonder if those two-thirds agree on what this new party should stand for?
We used to have one until they sold out then got destroyed in the polls.
Nah this might be the last chance to get the tories out, i don’t want that ruined by vote splitting.
Labour May not be perfect but i’m not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Half will be hard left and the other half will be hard right.
Lib Dem’s were the closest to breaking the two, that was until the utter scum bag that is Nick Clegg completely destroyed trust in their party.
Britons voted against ditching FPTP so it’s probably best to take that with a pinch of salt.
While a good idea, people would need actually need to vote for the new party, and there would need to be some electoral reform, otherwise it would be like every other.
Our electoral system is there to benifit the Tories and Labour
Any suggestions? Rather a bland statement or more likely a headline looking for a story
I think politics is now completely broken in the UK and neither of those parties represent the mood of the country. Just look at the back lash against ULEZ expansion in London, those in power are not listening to the people they are suppose to work for.
I chat to a bloke at the football who constantly bangs on about needing a party that isn’t radical left like Labour or radical right like Tories. I think he thinks this makes him seem very insightful and reasonable. I have started asking him where this very reasonable party would stand on tax distribution, public services, higher education funding, green targets and the like and he has no clue. Just thinks Labour is too radical. I reckon a massive chunk of these people are similar.
4 parties minimum, but probably a lot more
Actual left (Socialists)
Mid left (Labour)
Mid right (Classic conservative)
Actual Right (Conservative with a Capital C)
Right now we have Communists mixed with Neo-liberals on the left, and fascists mixed with people who just don’t want their house to depreciate in value on the right.
It’s a mess, and the FPTP system is to blame.
And the new party will take which poaition exactly. We have other parties who even under this shit shpow of Tory govt don’t get a boost in vote share, The greens and Lin Dems lack support. National parties like PC are not exactly popular and fringe parties like UKIP only made steam because of 1 major political crisis decades in the making.
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We don’t need a new party. We need a new PR electoral system. That will naturally itself then create new parties. Both Labour and Tories are made up of at least 2 or 3 different factions who in another system, would split into their own groups and campaign on much more concise ideas, but they know under FPTP they can’t.
These polls are always meaningless. The British public consistently polls to the left on most social and economic issues but it goes out the window when it comes to putting money where the mouth is.
As others have said, chances are those people all want a different type of new party. Closest we came in the last 20 years was UKIP pre-referendum and that was purely over a single issue.
We need a full PR system really, but after the hitjob in the AV referendum im not sure itll happen when FPTP suits the tories so well.
The issue we have is when new ‘centrist’ parties show up, a la Change UK, the ‘centrism’ they promote is just a slightly rehashed Blairite political zeitgeist that has dominated British politics for 30 odd years, free-market economics and cultural liberalism.
Genuinely new politics would require a brand of centrism completely alien to cosmopolitan types who dominate the political conversation: nationalise the railways and gang the nonces.
Yeah definitely need a new party, one that will restore peoples faith in democracy instead of the country choosing between 2 sets of people looking out for the interests of lobbies every general election.
All these fuckers do is distract us away from their greed and conflicts of interest with their fuckups and by pitting us all against eachother.
There is no political party today that genuinely speaks for young people and advances the betterment of their lives
They all seem ti get the old people vote
Part of the rules should be you’re not allowed to be an Eton educated twat to run. Just the start.
Lib Dems: So you say you want a third political party to fight against…
British public: Not you.
Those two thirds absolutely disagree on what the new party should stand for though,
We definitely need a proper new party. Labour has gone more centre-right and Tories are right wing. We need a decent centre-left wing party. Someone who is actually for the working class and not just saying they are whilst living in their plush London pads, making money on the side whilst selling off our NHS and only thinking about how they can make the most money and ruin our country at the same time. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for, surely?
All politicians are self serving. If you don’t take away their power, nothing will change.
Start by making their salaries lower and any affiliations to businesses illegal.
Any off shore holdings should be taxed.
I can’t say I want that but I do feel like us that hate conservatives but also find the other options crap need some productive way of being able to express it that isn’t in a vote that means Jack all. I loathe to vote labour (axe Jess “I laugh at male abuse” Phillips and Angela Rayner and I might be a little less hesitant while still not liking it) and any other party is either fucking useless or loopy.
But I will never vote conservative so I feel like I have to sacrifice some of my principles and vote for a party that endorses awful people like Rayner and JP anyway just because they are the least awful options that have a chance of getting in.
You need something other then FPTP voting for this to happen.
We have one up in Scotland with the SNP. Not big enough to make a dent in Westminster politics however.
We do have the Liberal Democrats.
But for some reason they get crucified for one mistake, when the government could not get one thing right.
Issue is that the outcomes of elections are largely defined by the media. Source? Go look at Australia, identical media landscape of the UK, with literally the same outlets and owners, and Australia has arguably one of the most representative and fair voting systems in the world (Proportional upper house, ranked choice) and what happens? Tories win pretty much every election based entirely on lies and no policies because the media parrots it.
Corbyn would have been perfectly electable if the media actually was fair towards him, same with Miliband, but the media decided both were too far left and were loonies so they lost. Read that deranged front page piece about “UK under Corbyn” or the “Chaos under Miliband” and both literally are just the UK under the Tories lmao.
Without widespread media reform and a media watchdog with teeth, you are not getting fair elections. There is also no incentive to reform the media as well, as it works for the Establishment and Establishment politicians absolutely see it as a a weapon for them to wield, hence why for example the “left wing” Starmer wines and dines with Murdoch ghouls.
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Largely meaningless without a change to a proportional representation voting system.
We tried that with Change UK. Change the voting system first.
I wonder if those two-thirds agree on what this new party should stand for?
We used to have one until they sold out then got destroyed in the polls.
Nah this might be the last chance to get the tories out, i don’t want that ruined by vote splitting.
Labour May not be perfect but i’m not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Half will be hard left and the other half will be hard right.
Lib Dem’s were the closest to breaking the two, that was until the utter scum bag that is Nick Clegg completely destroyed trust in their party.
Britons voted against ditching FPTP so it’s probably best to take that with a pinch of salt.
While a good idea, people would need actually need to vote for the new party, and there would need to be some electoral reform, otherwise it would be like every other.
Our electoral system is there to benifit the Tories and Labour
Any suggestions? Rather a bland statement or more likely a headline looking for a story
I think politics is now completely broken in the UK and neither of those parties represent the mood of the country. Just look at the back lash against ULEZ expansion in London, those in power are not listening to the people they are suppose to work for.
I chat to a bloke at the football who constantly bangs on about needing a party that isn’t radical left like Labour or radical right like Tories. I think he thinks this makes him seem very insightful and reasonable. I have started asking him where this very reasonable party would stand on tax distribution, public services, higher education funding, green targets and the like and he has no clue. Just thinks Labour is too radical. I reckon a massive chunk of these people are similar.
4 parties minimum, but probably a lot more
Actual left (Socialists)
Mid left (Labour)
Mid right (Classic conservative)
Actual Right (Conservative with a Capital C)
Right now we have Communists mixed with Neo-liberals on the left, and fascists mixed with people who just don’t want their house to depreciate in value on the right.
It’s a mess, and the FPTP system is to blame.
And the new party will take which poaition exactly. We have other parties who even under this shit shpow of Tory govt don’t get a boost in vote share, The greens and Lin Dems lack support. National parties like PC are not exactly popular and fringe parties like UKIP only made steam because of 1 major political crisis decades in the making.
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We don’t need a new party. We need a new PR electoral system. That will naturally itself then create new parties. Both Labour and Tories are made up of at least 2 or 3 different factions who in another system, would split into their own groups and campaign on much more concise ideas, but they know under FPTP they can’t.
These polls are always meaningless. The British public consistently polls to the left on most social and economic issues but it goes out the window when it comes to putting money where the mouth is.
As others have said, chances are those people all want a different type of new party. Closest we came in the last 20 years was UKIP pre-referendum and that was purely over a single issue.
We need a full PR system really, but after the hitjob in the AV referendum im not sure itll happen when FPTP suits the tories so well.
The issue we have is when new ‘centrist’ parties show up, a la Change UK, the ‘centrism’ they promote is just a slightly rehashed Blairite political zeitgeist that has dominated British politics for 30 odd years, free-market economics and cultural liberalism.
Genuinely new politics would require a brand of centrism completely alien to cosmopolitan types who dominate the political conversation: nationalise the railways and gang the nonces.
Yeah definitely need a new party, one that will restore peoples faith in democracy instead of the country choosing between 2 sets of people looking out for the interests of lobbies every general election.
All these fuckers do is distract us away from their greed and conflicts of interest with their fuckups and by pitting us all against eachother.
There is no political party today that genuinely speaks for young people and advances the betterment of their lives
They all seem ti get the old people vote
Part of the rules should be you’re not allowed to be an Eton educated twat to run. Just the start.
Lib Dems: So you say you want a third political party to fight against…
British public: Not you.
Those two thirds absolutely disagree on what the new party should stand for though,
We definitely need a proper new party. Labour has gone more centre-right and Tories are right wing. We need a decent centre-left wing party. Someone who is actually for the working class and not just saying they are whilst living in their plush London pads, making money on the side whilst selling off our NHS and only thinking about how they can make the most money and ruin our country at the same time. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for, surely?
All politicians are self serving. If you don’t take away their power, nothing will change.
Start by making their salaries lower and any affiliations to businesses illegal.
Any off shore holdings should be taxed.
I can’t say I want that but I do feel like us that hate conservatives but also find the other options crap need some productive way of being able to express it that isn’t in a vote that means Jack all. I loathe to vote labour (axe Jess “I laugh at male abuse” Phillips and Angela Rayner and I might be a little less hesitant while still not liking it) and any other party is either fucking useless or loopy.
But I will never vote conservative so I feel like I have to sacrifice some of my principles and vote for a party that endorses awful people like Rayner and JP anyway just because they are the least awful options that have a chance of getting in.
You need something other then FPTP voting for this to happen.
We have one up in Scotland with the SNP. Not big enough to make a dent in Westminster politics however.
We do have the Liberal Democrats.
But for some reason they get crucified for one mistake, when the government could not get one thing right.
Issue is that the outcomes of elections are largely defined by the media. Source? Go look at Australia, identical media landscape of the UK, with literally the same outlets and owners, and Australia has arguably one of the most representative and fair voting systems in the world (Proportional upper house, ranked choice) and what happens? Tories win pretty much every election based entirely on lies and no policies because the media parrots it.
Corbyn would have been perfectly electable if the media actually was fair towards him, same with Miliband, but the media decided both were too far left and were loonies so they lost. Read that deranged front page piece about “UK under Corbyn” or the “Chaos under Miliband” and both literally are just the UK under the Tories lmao.
Without widespread media reform and a media watchdog with teeth, you are not getting fair elections. There is also no incentive to reform the media as well, as it works for the Establishment and Establishment politicians absolutely see it as a a weapon for them to wield, hence why for example the “left wing” Starmer wines and dines with Murdoch ghouls.