Quick idea for the ” Wahlkampf” ? How about a restriction for the association objection so we can build more houses and not fight everytime 10 year in a court that also lead to high rents. 🤣 or at least that they have to pay the cost if they lost?
We: “There’s a housing crisis and people need affordable housing”
Them: “Affordable housing? Nah fuck that, we decide where and with whom you live.”
Why are introverts never considered in these plans ? Introverts should start a political party promoting housing for single people, a party that does not push everyone in public transport, a party for people that dont want to be social.
Am I the only one who wishes all this government housing policy was just removed? Just let the free market do its work rather than all this intervention with social policy, rental restrictions, capacity demands, etc…
Right now in Geneva new tenants on average pay >80% more than existing tenants thanks to rent control policies. The entire city centre is stuck in the 1960s because landlords have no incentive to maintain the buildings. Retirees sit in their apartments they pay chf500/month for instead of vacating them to people who need to live in Geneva for work.
There is a two-tiered/blackmarket system right now where if you know the right people to benefit from some of the government’s social policies (social housing, ZDD, LDTR) or have been in Geneva a long time you benefit from savings of chf10k-20k a year! And of course these savings are implicitly paid by those stuck paying high rent and the high taxes needed to fund them.
Government policy may have noble intentions but I seriously believe they cause more harm than good in this area.
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And then we wonder why people vote fucking SVP
That the same political party that wants an open door policy regarding immigration?
And doesn’t want people to construct new buildings because ‘muh landscapes, muh animals’?
The fuck do they want?
46m2 per person are perfectly fine. And you can easily fit 4.5 rooms on 86m2.
That’s more than enough for two person or a young family.
Problem is: Many 86m2 flats nowadays are only having 3.5 rooms, plus an open kitchen. So, plenty of space is just wasted.
And “luxury flats” usually give you 120m2, again with only 3.5 rooms and open kitchen. It’s terribly inefficient.
No political party wants to just build more houses, appartment blocks and other types of living space. The right, which is supported by landlords, who have a financial interest in keeping the housing market as small as possible, so they can increase rents, are in no hurry of building new housing and insted take out the ol‘ reliable and blame foreigners.
The left reacts in the absolute worst possible way and want to just ban stuff. They are just providing more anti-left talking points for the right with this, without solving anything.
You cannot solve the housing crysis with measures like these. (Sidenote: a scenario where I am forced to live with other people reminds me of state mandated girlfriends, the dystopian dream of incels) Build new housing and by that, provide more supply so rents and property prices can fall. We are heading towards 9 and soon 10 million people. There is no way around: build, build, build or you will increase wealth inequality and poverty by doing nothing.
Bastien Girods assessments can’t be trusted, unfortunately.
Remember when he withdrew his “Offroader Initiative” because the alternative measures proposed by the governement “would solve the problem anyway”? Well, quickly after the problem hasn’t only not been solved, it multiplied.
And now he comes with this idea that will
a) not stand the slightest chance
b) scare away voters from the greens
That guys actions are probably more harmful than helpful for the environment.
It’s incredible what politicians would do to avoid the only solution that works: allow for more houses to be built.
But of course, that would go against the value of their houses and most of their voters, so it’s more convenient to simply propose that someone else should live like in the USSR.
On definition of “alone” – depends on how to account my cat
Pitch it succesfully in a city that has this issue, run the experiment succesfully and then try to scale and everyones happy..
but please spare us from this experiment of making this and other fast food ideas a federal matter.. and yes, I live in place that is mentioned in the article.
I think is becoming self evident that there are to many people in Switzerland. We are a small country, already very urbanized. Building endlessly and destroy nature/green spaces is not a solution to this problem.
This is pathetic.
As always they don’t give a fuck about singles.
One of the few groups that’s seemingly OK to discriminate.
The green party should touch grass.
I really ask myself, if they sometimes think before they speak. This stands literally 0 chance, as it should. I agree, housing crisis is a thing, but you can’t punish people living alone for that – they also need a place to live.
As little a fan as I am of Bastien Girod, the first point isn’t bad. Being able to switch apartments wouldn’t be too much of an imposition on the market and could help alleviate issues.
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The greens can kiss my ass
Comrade Girod and his silly ideas.
Quick idea for the ” Wahlkampf” ? How about a restriction for the association objection so we can build more houses and not fight everytime 10 year in a court that also lead to high rents. 🤣 or at least that they have to pay the cost if they lost?
We: “There’s a housing crisis and people need affordable housing”
Them: “Affordable housing? Nah fuck that, we decide where and with whom you live.”
Why are introverts never considered in these plans ? Introverts should start a political party promoting housing for single people, a party that does not push everyone in public transport, a party for people that dont want to be social.
Am I the only one who wishes all this government housing policy was just removed? Just let the free market do its work rather than all this intervention with social policy, rental restrictions, capacity demands, etc…
Right now in Geneva new tenants on average pay >80% more than existing tenants thanks to rent control policies. The entire city centre is stuck in the 1960s because landlords have no incentive to maintain the buildings. Retirees sit in their apartments they pay chf500/month for instead of vacating them to people who need to live in Geneva for work.
There is a two-tiered/blackmarket system right now where if you know the right people to benefit from some of the government’s social policies (social housing, ZDD, LDTR) or have been in Geneva a long time you benefit from savings of chf10k-20k a year! And of course these savings are implicitly paid by those stuck paying high rent and the high taxes needed to fund them.
Government policy may have noble intentions but I seriously believe they cause more harm than good in this area.
[deleted]
And then we wonder why people vote fucking SVP
That the same political party that wants an open door policy regarding immigration?
And doesn’t want people to construct new buildings because ‘muh landscapes, muh animals’?
The fuck do they want?
46m2 per person are perfectly fine. And you can easily fit 4.5 rooms on 86m2.
That’s more than enough for two person or a young family.
Problem is: Many 86m2 flats nowadays are only having 3.5 rooms, plus an open kitchen. So, plenty of space is just wasted.
And “luxury flats” usually give you 120m2, again with only 3.5 rooms and open kitchen. It’s terribly inefficient.
No political party wants to just build more houses, appartment blocks and other types of living space. The right, which is supported by landlords, who have a financial interest in keeping the housing market as small as possible, so they can increase rents, are in no hurry of building new housing and insted take out the ol‘ reliable and blame foreigners.
The left reacts in the absolute worst possible way and want to just ban stuff. They are just providing more anti-left talking points for the right with this, without solving anything.
You cannot solve the housing crysis with measures like these. (Sidenote: a scenario where I am forced to live with other people reminds me of state mandated girlfriends, the dystopian dream of incels) Build new housing and by that, provide more supply so rents and property prices can fall. We are heading towards 9 and soon 10 million people. There is no way around: build, build, build or you will increase wealth inequality and poverty by doing nothing.
Bastien Girods assessments can’t be trusted, unfortunately.
Remember when he withdrew his “Offroader Initiative” because the alternative measures proposed by the governement “would solve the problem anyway”? Well, quickly after the problem hasn’t only not been solved, it multiplied.
And now he comes with this idea that will
a) not stand the slightest chance
b) scare away voters from the greens
That guys actions are probably more harmful than helpful for the environment.
It’s incredible what politicians would do to avoid the only solution that works: allow for more houses to be built.
But of course, that would go against the value of their houses and most of their voters, so it’s more convenient to simply propose that someone else should live like in the USSR.
On definition of “alone” – depends on how to account my cat
Pitch it succesfully in a city that has this issue, run the experiment succesfully and then try to scale and everyones happy..
but please spare us from this experiment of making this and other fast food ideas a federal matter.. and yes, I live in place that is mentioned in the article.
I think is becoming self evident that there are to many people in Switzerland. We are a small country, already very urbanized. Building endlessly and destroy nature/green spaces is not a solution to this problem.
This is pathetic.
As always they don’t give a fuck about singles.
One of the few groups that’s seemingly OK to discriminate.
The green party should touch grass.
I really ask myself, if they sometimes think before they speak. This stands literally 0 chance, as it should. I agree, housing crisis is a thing, but you can’t punish people living alone for that – they also need a place to live.
As little a fan as I am of Bastien Girod, the first point isn’t bad. Being able to switch apartments wouldn’t be too much of an imposition on the market and could help alleviate issues.