Good lord, is anything not the police’s fault nowadays?
The police don’t have magical powers. How many thousands of people drove past that exact spot each day whilst they were missing and didn’t notice?
I know the families will be devastated, but this constant lashing out at the police whenever something bad happens is so tiring.
People go missing every day in the UK, I think the stat is around one reported every 90 seconds.
Equally, in a free society people probably don’t want the state to have easy access to their location data. The police can’t just look up phone locations – firstly it’s done via the less accurate method of triangulation based on mast pings, and secondly there’s a whole process that has to be followed in order for the request of this data to be accepted and provided. It’s not done lightly…
Again, I feel terribly for their families and understand why they may lash out, but shame on the media for fanning the flames
‘They had all that equipment..’
What equipment? Cerebro? A psychic squad?
You might have issues with the police but Jesus, the mental gymnastics here.
This is such a clickbait headline.
The search area was absolutely huge, all across South Wales, Newport to Porthcawl.
There was very little information to go on. Updates from the family on the weekend mentioned ABPR and phone data analysis had been done, but not successful.
What else can you do?
It then relies on witness accounts who have seen the vehicle so that a timeline can be produced. Again, this doesn’t take you much further because of the size of the search area.
Edit: You also have to consider that in the vast majority of missing person cases, it is the public who finds the person/s because of the public attention and far greater reach.
Maybe if they hadn’t drunk drove then they wouldn’t of been planted in a tree maybe
If we are playing the blame game ultimately it’s the fault of the driver who is suspected of being under the influence according to SM videos posted that night.
Thankfully the vehicle crashed into trees rather than a blameless other vehicle. Driving on a pub crawl you get no sympathy from me.
This just sounds like the family and loved ones desperately grasping at straws to play the balme game. I think you can sort of understand them behaving as such due to shock and grief, though its not an excuse. The public believing the same though is an entirely different thing as no one with any sense would lay the blame with the police as things stand. It is far too early to know exactly what happened but if its proven to caused by drink and/or drug driving the only person to blame is the driver- but again nothing is confirmed yet. If loads of cars went by the same spot and saw nothing , it’s safe to say its well hidden from view and the area the police had to search was massive.
People who think Police should have search parties out combing the countryside for every person who doesn’t come home for 24hours, Do not realise how many thousands of people go “missing” each week and just how many resources that would take to achieve.
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>Someone is reported missing every 90 seconds in the UK
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>170,000 people are reported missing every year
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>There are 353,000 reported missing incidents every year
This is different from the death of Lamara Bell in Scotland (which many people have tried to connect to this), because in that case someone actually reported a possible RTC, and the Police didn’t fully investigate or search the area.
The police would have had to have known where to look, before they could find them. Given where they crashed, it looks like they were on their way back from the nightclub in Newport heading to where the men lived in the centre of Cardiff. The initial reports talked about them moving between Porthcawl and Cardiff – where they crashed is not on that route (its on the wrong side of the city). Even if the police knew they were last seen in Newport, the motorway is the obvious route to take to get to Porthcawl, not the A48.
It does seem that someone is understandably lashing out at the police, but its hard to see how this was the fault of the authorities and not the people involved in the crash itself.
Media yet again pushing all blame on the police…almost like the media are trying to get people to hate the police for some reason.
I’ll add “police” to my list of “why would you bother” careers. Right next to teachers and nurses
Seriously, can they do anything right in the publics eye at the moment? If they found them instantly I bet people would be suspicious of that and criticise them.
I’m confused, aren’t most accidents spotted/reported by a member of the public? Sure, the Police might come across one every now and then, but they’re never going to spot 100% of accidents.
Got the App for ‘Missing People’ on my phone, worth having if you have a family member or friend prone to going walkabout. Unless the police believe you are at serious risk any search will be less active at the start as in trying to contact you and speak to your family and friends. Ramps up from there based on risk level basis.
In this instance it seems it was an accident and any number of people , including friends and family may have driven close to where they were found without spotting them. Tragic, but hardly the fault of the police. Not the first time , won’t be the last, that vehicles have ended up in out of sight locations. Frustration and anger at perceived lack of response might be understandable but with no accident having been reported any initial search would have likely been undertaken by family and friends anyway, with the police only getting more involved when the likelihood of something untoward having happened increased. Could they have been found quicker by the police? Would have had to know where to start looking and have had some evidence as to something having happened so the probability was that they would have been found, in whatever circumstance, by chance or with luck, by someone other than the police.
Ah yes, the police withheld the use of their psychic powers they only use those for the rich of course 🙄
It’s a desperately sad story, I understand people want to blame someone.
but I think too many people watch TV shows and movies and think the police have technology to pinpoint someone’s phone when in reality it’s just not like that.
Ultimately, it’s a tragic accident and until we know the full story of what’s happened there’s nothing to be gained by pointing fingers.
the police have likely got 3 officers for the entire city – blame the Tories not the police
If you search these names on Facebook/twitter you see a lot of their friends coming out with some disgusting slander against the police – they seem to be a certain type of person, let’s say that.
They also seem to be overlooking the fact there’s evidence the driver was drunk…
Please consider using these features, if you have access to them. While it certainly isn’t perfect by any means, it might increase your chances of being found if you’re unfortunate enough to ever be in a similar situation.
I’m no fan of the police most days but in this instance what the hell could they have done?
On the BBC page, they showed flowers being left and a banner with their pictures and RIP.
Who thought to order one of them so quickly? I wouldn’t have a clue.
But also, I never understand people going and leaving flowers for random people. Same with the queen. Sad she went. But my first thoughts are not “I gotta go buy some flowers and visit”
Why didn’t any of them have the “find my device” app on their phones?
Both my OH and I have this app on our phones. So useful, especially when travelling independently. I can work out what time I need to put dinner on.
Surely it’s their own fault for driving into a ditch? 😵💫
I’m less interested in finger pointing at the police and more interested in the toxicology results.
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Member’s of the public (on Reddit) also found the Boston Bomber before the police. Look how well that turned out.
I’m not saying the police always get things right, or done as fast as they should. God knows that’s not true! But can people please let them get on with their jobs rather than breathing down their necks all the time and looking for opportunities to show them up.
Comments spot on.
Added to this, besides a vastly reduced police force having worked in frontline healthcare and married to it, does Joe ‘#armchairexpert’ public have even the tiniest inkling into how many vulnerable absconding, or missing individuals are reported every day 🤦♂️
Every (idiot) individual who turns up at an urgent care, A&E psyche services etc, or is pissed, drugged up ,says they want to kill themselves and then make off has to be reported and searched for.
That also includes missing confused relative reports, CPN reports etc etc.
I don’t have the stats, but I suspect a typical police station probably has a daily list on par with a small village of individuals, that’s not counting bail absconding, court no shows and daily police duties etc.
We could certainly occupy the whole local night cover from just one site, never mind the vast number of care homes, hostels, and so on.
As tragic as it is, it’s a sad joke.
why do they look unnatural in those pics? does everyone nowadays have these ai photo filters in their pics?
I think people forget how underresourced the police are. An adult who isn’t vulnerable will not be at the top of their priority list, especially if they’ve gone missing in a group. The police prioritise children, vulnerable people, lone adults and then groups. I also think people need to stop getting their information on forensics and police procedure off Netflix – this isn’t how it works in real life. The car was found in a ditch. It would have only been spotted by a passer by or a helicopter. Police can’t scour every area for a car full of adults.
How many missing persons have been found by dog walkers or joggers or passers by? The number is quite high. It happens.
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It wasn’t the police who decided to drive a car / be a passenger in a car with a pissed driver was it?
How did the car end up in the copse? It’s a fairly straight road. Without casting aspersions, I do wonder if driver was speeding or had drunk too much. Though its a terrible tragedy I feel for the 2 survivors, how on earth do you get over anything like that
Thats because there are a lot more members of the public then there are police.
[They were all drunk as per the guy who organised their vigil (and best friend of one of the victims).](https://imgur.com/a/tyfb8I6)
Very much not a police guy, and can understand those closest to them trying to find somewhere to place their blame, but I think it’s very careless and inappropriate of the media to share it.
Police do something wrong in future and no doubt some smartarse jumping to their rescue will come out with something sarky like “oh so it’s the police fault then just like it was with that Cardiff car crash”.
Hold the police accountable when they’ve done things to be held accountable for. There’s no point in trying to blame them for this and trying to do so diminishes the ability to hold them accountable for things they’ve actually done wrong in future.
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Good lord, is anything not the police’s fault nowadays?
The police don’t have magical powers. How many thousands of people drove past that exact spot each day whilst they were missing and didn’t notice?
I know the families will be devastated, but this constant lashing out at the police whenever something bad happens is so tiring.
People go missing every day in the UK, I think the stat is around one reported every 90 seconds.
Equally, in a free society people probably don’t want the state to have easy access to their location data. The police can’t just look up phone locations – firstly it’s done via the less accurate method of triangulation based on mast pings, and secondly there’s a whole process that has to be followed in order for the request of this data to be accepted and provided. It’s not done lightly…
Again, I feel terribly for their families and understand why they may lash out, but shame on the media for fanning the flames
‘They had all that equipment..’
What equipment? Cerebro? A psychic squad?
You might have issues with the police but Jesus, the mental gymnastics here.
This is such a clickbait headline.
The search area was absolutely huge, all across South Wales, Newport to Porthcawl.
There was very little information to go on. Updates from the family on the weekend mentioned ABPR and phone data analysis had been done, but not successful.
What else can you do?
It then relies on witness accounts who have seen the vehicle so that a timeline can be produced. Again, this doesn’t take you much further because of the size of the search area.
Edit: You also have to consider that in the vast majority of missing person cases, it is the public who finds the person/s because of the public attention and far greater reach.
Maybe if they hadn’t drunk drove then they wouldn’t of been planted in a tree maybe
If we are playing the blame game ultimately it’s the fault of the driver who is suspected of being under the influence according to SM videos posted that night.
Thankfully the vehicle crashed into trees rather than a blameless other vehicle. Driving on a pub crawl you get no sympathy from me.
This just sounds like the family and loved ones desperately grasping at straws to play the balme game. I think you can sort of understand them behaving as such due to shock and grief, though its not an excuse. The public believing the same though is an entirely different thing as no one with any sense would lay the blame with the police as things stand. It is far too early to know exactly what happened but if its proven to caused by drink and/or drug driving the only person to blame is the driver- but again nothing is confirmed yet. If loads of cars went by the same spot and saw nothing , it’s safe to say its well hidden from view and the area the police had to search was massive.
People who think Police should have search parties out combing the countryside for every person who doesn’t come home for 24hours, Do not realise how many thousands of people go “missing” each week and just how many resources that would take to achieve.
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>Someone is reported missing every 90 seconds in the UK
>
>170,000 people are reported missing every year
>
>There are 353,000 reported missing incidents every year
Source: [Missingpeople.org.uk](https://Missingpeople.org.uk)
This is different from the death of Lamara Bell in Scotland (which many people have tried to connect to this), because in that case someone actually reported a possible RTC, and the Police didn’t fully investigate or search the area.
The police would have had to have known where to look, before they could find them. Given where they crashed, it looks like they were on their way back from the nightclub in Newport heading to where the men lived in the centre of Cardiff. The initial reports talked about them moving between Porthcawl and Cardiff – where they crashed is not on that route (its on the wrong side of the city). Even if the police knew they were last seen in Newport, the motorway is the obvious route to take to get to Porthcawl, not the A48.
It does seem that someone is understandably lashing out at the police, but its hard to see how this was the fault of the authorities and not the people involved in the crash itself.
Media yet again pushing all blame on the police…almost like the media are trying to get people to hate the police for some reason.
I’ll add “police” to my list of “why would you bother” careers. Right next to teachers and nurses
Seriously, can they do anything right in the publics eye at the moment? If they found them instantly I bet people would be suspicious of that and criticise them.
I’m confused, aren’t most accidents spotted/reported by a member of the public? Sure, the Police might come across one every now and then, but they’re never going to spot 100% of accidents.
Got the App for ‘Missing People’ on my phone, worth having if you have a family member or friend prone to going walkabout. Unless the police believe you are at serious risk any search will be less active at the start as in trying to contact you and speak to your family and friends. Ramps up from there based on risk level basis.
In this instance it seems it was an accident and any number of people , including friends and family may have driven close to where they were found without spotting them. Tragic, but hardly the fault of the police. Not the first time , won’t be the last, that vehicles have ended up in out of sight locations. Frustration and anger at perceived lack of response might be understandable but with no accident having been reported any initial search would have likely been undertaken by family and friends anyway, with the police only getting more involved when the likelihood of something untoward having happened increased. Could they have been found quicker by the police? Would have had to know where to start looking and have had some evidence as to something having happened so the probability was that they would have been found, in whatever circumstance, by chance or with luck, by someone other than the police.
Ah yes, the police withheld the use of their psychic powers they only use those for the rich of course 🙄
It’s a desperately sad story, I understand people want to blame someone.
but I think too many people watch TV shows and movies and think the police have technology to pinpoint someone’s phone when in reality it’s just not like that.
Ultimately, it’s a tragic accident and until we know the full story of what’s happened there’s nothing to be gained by pointing fingers.
the police have likely got 3 officers for the entire city – blame the Tories not the police
If you search these names on Facebook/twitter you see a lot of their friends coming out with some disgusting slander against the police – they seem to be a certain type of person, let’s say that.
They also seem to be overlooking the fact there’s evidence the driver was drunk…
While it obviously won’t help in this particular case, car crash detection is available on most modern phones – [here](https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7055029) are the instructions for Android, and [here](https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT213225) are the instructions for Apple products. Other apps and products are also available, including those with permanent location-sharing options (e.g. [Google Maps](https://support.google.com/maps/answer/7326816)).
Please consider using these features, if you have access to them. While it certainly isn’t perfect by any means, it might increase your chances of being found if you’re unfortunate enough to ever be in a similar situation.
I’m no fan of the police most days but in this instance what the hell could they have done?
On the BBC page, they showed flowers being left and a banner with their pictures and RIP.
Who thought to order one of them so quickly? I wouldn’t have a clue.
But also, I never understand people going and leaving flowers for random people. Same with the queen. Sad she went. But my first thoughts are not “I gotta go buy some flowers and visit”
Why didn’t any of them have the “find my device” app on their phones?
Both my OH and I have this app on our phones. So useful, especially when travelling independently. I can work out what time I need to put dinner on.
Surely it’s their own fault for driving into a ditch? 😵💫
I’m less interested in finger pointing at the police and more interested in the toxicology results.
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Member’s of the public (on Reddit) also found the Boston Bomber before the police. Look how well that turned out.
I’m not saying the police always get things right, or done as fast as they should. God knows that’s not true! But can people please let them get on with their jobs rather than breathing down their necks all the time and looking for opportunities to show them up.
Comments spot on.
Added to this, besides a vastly reduced police force having worked in frontline healthcare and married to it, does Joe ‘#armchairexpert’ public have even the tiniest inkling into how many vulnerable absconding, or missing individuals are reported every day 🤦♂️
Every (idiot) individual who turns up at an urgent care, A&E psyche services etc, or is pissed, drugged up ,says they want to kill themselves and then make off has to be reported and searched for.
That also includes missing confused relative reports, CPN reports etc etc.
I don’t have the stats, but I suspect a typical police station probably has a daily list on par with a small village of individuals, that’s not counting bail absconding, court no shows and daily police duties etc.
We could certainly occupy the whole local night cover from just one site, never mind the vast number of care homes, hostels, and so on.
As tragic as it is, it’s a sad joke.
why do they look unnatural in those pics? does everyone nowadays have these ai photo filters in their pics?
I think people forget how underresourced the police are. An adult who isn’t vulnerable will not be at the top of their priority list, especially if they’ve gone missing in a group. The police prioritise children, vulnerable people, lone adults and then groups. I also think people need to stop getting their information on forensics and police procedure off Netflix – this isn’t how it works in real life. The car was found in a ditch. It would have only been spotted by a passer by or a helicopter. Police can’t scour every area for a car full of adults.
How many missing persons have been found by dog walkers or joggers or passers by? The number is quite high. It happens.
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It wasn’t the police who decided to drive a car / be a passenger in a car with a pissed driver was it?
How did the car end up in the copse? It’s a fairly straight road. Without casting aspersions, I do wonder if driver was speeding or had drunk too much. Though its a terrible tragedy I feel for the 2 survivors, how on earth do you get over anything like that
Thats because there are a lot more members of the public then there are police.
[They were all drunk as per the guy who organised their vigil (and best friend of one of the victims).](https://imgur.com/a/tyfb8I6)
Very much not a police guy, and can understand those closest to them trying to find somewhere to place their blame, but I think it’s very careless and inappropriate of the media to share it.
Police do something wrong in future and no doubt some smartarse jumping to their rescue will come out with something sarky like “oh so it’s the police fault then just like it was with that Cardiff car crash”.
Hold the police accountable when they’ve done things to be held accountable for. There’s no point in trying to blame them for this and trying to do so diminishes the ability to hold them accountable for things they’ve actually done wrong in future.