I’d say he’s suffering from the sunk-cost fallacy.
Doesn’t want to admit the years he wasted on criminalizing drugs
> Michael O’Sullivan, who fought international drug gangs, including the Kinahan cartel, both in An Garda Síochána and in an EU drug interdiction agency, said that in his experience he hasn’t seen an alternative system that works.
Considering how badly he has lost the fight, you would think he would be in favour of a change in tactic.
He doesn’t want his former colleagues to miss out on that sweet, sweet overtime.
he’s probably profiting off the black market
He believes court convictions for posession is what gets people off drugs. Christ I hope he’s not part of the upcoming Citizen Asembley on Drugs.
>Michael O’Sullivan, who fought international drug gangs, including the Kinahan cartel, both in An Garda Síochána and in an EU drug interdiction agency, said that in his experience he hasn’t seen an alternative system that works
In his experience does he think the current system is working?
Because legality of drugs doesn’t seem to significantly affect the usage by people.
And all we have now is a system that punishes users while empowering criminals and making them rich.
The war on drugs was politically and racially motivated by Richard Nixon in 1971, just wish more people knew about it.
Guard who’s livelihood and position depends on enforcing draconian legislation objects to removal of said legislation
Ffs that Gard lives in the 80s!!Yes I can see how a heroin addict would get a wake up call and suddenly change their life after having a conviction for possession brought on them… ffs… what’s so bad about this opinion is that …if said addict did get their life together then that very same conviction would hang around their neck for ever , completely hampering them from achieving their full potential and possibly contributing to a future addiction relapse…. these laws target and punishment the poor full stop…
I can’t remember where I read it or it might have been a podcast, but a British former detective talked about his years undercover. He explained how an operation he worked on to take down a major drug gang somewhere, maybe Birmingham. It took months of undercover work and then a large scale dawn raid involving dozens of officers arresting all the gang members at once in multiple locations. He said the gang had control over about 25% of the drug trade in the city. The arrests halted drug sales in that area for about 4 hours. That’s how long it took for their competitors to move in and hoover up the territory. So, in effect they just made the remaining gangs stronger. The amount of drugs being sold wasn’t affected.
I understand where seasoned cops are coming from when they’ve been working at the coal face and want to arrest all of these career criminals, but it’s like the old saying – when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Drug addiction and the drug trade isn’t simply a criminal justice system issue and it’s beyond clear at this stage that a different approach needs to be taken.
This fucking idiot has also claimed that Gardaí can be at the scene of a terrorist incident in Dublin within 3 minutes.
Going by these comments he’s made he’s exactly the type of waster Garda that encapsulates the rot that exists at the senior level of the organization.
That Dublin Narcos show is shite by the way.
3 episodes, one of which focuses entirely on ecstacy.
The only “Narcos” they mention are Larry Dunne and John Gilligan. A brief mention of Martin Cahill even though he was primarily a robber as opposed to a drug dealer. No mention whatsoever of the Hutches or Kinahan’s, Tony Felloni, Mr Flashy, the Westies etc
lmao.
Man has 45 years of experience of pure failure, imagine the neck to try to leverage your half century of experience in not solving a problem.
He’s told himself and everyone lies for too long that he believes it, as the alternative is a wasted life making things worse.
It is sad to see someone with so much experience speak so blindly about the topic.
Setting aside the drug thing altogether the claim that a criminal conviction drives people away from recidivist behaviour is something a student in 1st year sociology could tell you is BS.
It also totally leaves out the overall drug related harms. A young lad with no history done for €5 worth of cannabis might think twice about getting it again but it does nothing to slow overall demand as well demonstrated by the fact that drugs are far more freely available now then they were 20 or 30 years ago.
I think his contribution speaks to the level of commitment to old orthodoxy in how we should deal with drug use among the most senior and experienced members of the gardai in Ireland. How can anyone look at drug use in Ireland, or Europe, and say that the current prohibition and punishment model is the way forward?
Must be hard to put in all that hard work, only to see it cause more harm than good.
I’d love to see the gobshite up against Mexican Columbian gangs. Glory hunting scumbag.
I hope he reads this thread and sees what the public view is, versus his wrong-headed keep fighting the lost war mentality.
Like does he think the ever increasing illegal drug trade that pays millions to criminals will be somehow aided by bringing those items into a legal taxable market?
A criminal conviction is most certainly not a wake up call. It’s an effective life sentence of poverty.
Fuck this scumbag.
Pig ingnorant!
Well here’s a former Assistant Garda Commissioner Jack Nolan giving his view.
They can’t both be right. It seems all of the addiction crisis centres support decriminalisation at the very least but most Gardaí appear to not agree with the addiction crisis centres.
Funny that!
Backwards man says backwards things.
We shouldn’t be asking guards what they think we should do. They are trained to arrest people. There are different approaches that need serious discussion and recognition
Fuckin ignorant clown.
> Michael O’Sullivan, who fought international drug gangs, including the Kinahan cartel, both in An Garda Síochána and in an EU drug interdiction agency, said that in his experience he hasn’t seen an alternative system that works.
The Kinehans became one of the biggest crime gangs in the world with this guys appoach. He lost the war on drugs and doesn’t realise that.
When I read stuff like that I really do wonder if they are actually drug gang plants encouraged to keep it all illegal to protect their market.
If legalisation went ahead their income would collapse.
Oh so we are better off convicting people for stupid offences and ruin their lives and force them onto the dole adding to our growing number.
I love how all these people have no scientific evidence to back them up or even just an education based argument.
They just love our fucked system and don’t want it changed.
He’s a former cop, and I’m gonna guess a corrupt one because the entire fucking Garda system is corrupted.
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I’d say he’s suffering from the sunk-cost fallacy.
Doesn’t want to admit the years he wasted on criminalizing drugs
> Michael O’Sullivan, who fought international drug gangs, including the Kinahan cartel, both in An Garda Síochána and in an EU drug interdiction agency, said that in his experience he hasn’t seen an alternative system that works.
Considering how badly he has lost the fight, you would think he would be in favour of a change in tactic.
He doesn’t want his former colleagues to miss out on that sweet, sweet overtime.
he’s probably profiting off the black market
He believes court convictions for posession is what gets people off drugs. Christ I hope he’s not part of the upcoming Citizen Asembley on Drugs.
>Michael O’Sullivan, who fought international drug gangs, including the Kinahan cartel, both in An Garda Síochána and in an EU drug interdiction agency, said that in his experience he hasn’t seen an alternative system that works
In his experience does he think the current system is working?
Because legality of drugs doesn’t seem to significantly affect the usage by people.
And all we have now is a system that punishes users while empowering criminals and making them rich.
The war on drugs was politically and racially motivated by Richard Nixon in 1971, just wish more people knew about it.
Guard who’s livelihood and position depends on enforcing draconian legislation objects to removal of said legislation
Ffs that Gard lives in the 80s!!Yes I can see how a heroin addict would get a wake up call and suddenly change their life after having a conviction for possession brought on them… ffs… what’s so bad about this opinion is that …if said addict did get their life together then that very same conviction would hang around their neck for ever , completely hampering them from achieving their full potential and possibly contributing to a future addiction relapse…. these laws target and punishment the poor full stop…
I can’t remember where I read it or it might have been a podcast, but a British former detective talked about his years undercover. He explained how an operation he worked on to take down a major drug gang somewhere, maybe Birmingham. It took months of undercover work and then a large scale dawn raid involving dozens of officers arresting all the gang members at once in multiple locations. He said the gang had control over about 25% of the drug trade in the city. The arrests halted drug sales in that area for about 4 hours. That’s how long it took for their competitors to move in and hoover up the territory. So, in effect they just made the remaining gangs stronger. The amount of drugs being sold wasn’t affected.
I understand where seasoned cops are coming from when they’ve been working at the coal face and want to arrest all of these career criminals, but it’s like the old saying – when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Drug addiction and the drug trade isn’t simply a criminal justice system issue and it’s beyond clear at this stage that a different approach needs to be taken.
This fucking idiot has also claimed that Gardaí can be at the scene of a terrorist incident in Dublin within 3 minutes.
Going by these comments he’s made he’s exactly the type of waster Garda that encapsulates the rot that exists at the senior level of the organization.
That Dublin Narcos show is shite by the way.
3 episodes, one of which focuses entirely on ecstacy.
The only “Narcos” they mention are Larry Dunne and John Gilligan. A brief mention of Martin Cahill even though he was primarily a robber as opposed to a drug dealer. No mention whatsoever of the Hutches or Kinahan’s, Tony Felloni, Mr Flashy, the Westies etc
lmao.
Man has 45 years of experience of pure failure, imagine the neck to try to leverage your half century of experience in not solving a problem.
He’s told himself and everyone lies for too long that he believes it, as the alternative is a wasted life making things worse.
It is sad to see someone with so much experience speak so blindly about the topic.
Setting aside the drug thing altogether the claim that a criminal conviction drives people away from recidivist behaviour is something a student in 1st year sociology could tell you is BS.
It also totally leaves out the overall drug related harms. A young lad with no history done for €5 worth of cannabis might think twice about getting it again but it does nothing to slow overall demand as well demonstrated by the fact that drugs are far more freely available now then they were 20 or 30 years ago.
I think his contribution speaks to the level of commitment to old orthodoxy in how we should deal with drug use among the most senior and experienced members of the gardai in Ireland. How can anyone look at drug use in Ireland, or Europe, and say that the current prohibition and punishment model is the way forward?
Must be hard to put in all that hard work, only to see it cause more harm than good.
I’d love to see the gobshite up against Mexican Columbian gangs. Glory hunting scumbag.
I hope he reads this thread and sees what the public view is, versus his wrong-headed keep fighting the lost war mentality.
Like does he think the ever increasing illegal drug trade that pays millions to criminals will be somehow aided by bringing those items into a legal taxable market?
A criminal conviction is most certainly not a wake up call. It’s an effective life sentence of poverty.
Fuck this scumbag.
Pig ingnorant!
Well here’s a former Assistant Garda Commissioner Jack Nolan giving his view.
[https://youtu.be/ZOGdSAqb-QA?t=91](https://youtu.be/ZOGdSAqb-QA?t=91)
They can’t both be right. It seems all of the addiction crisis centres support decriminalisation at the very least but most Gardaí appear to not agree with the addiction crisis centres.
Funny that!
Backwards man says backwards things.
We shouldn’t be asking guards what they think we should do. They are trained to arrest people. There are different approaches that need serious discussion and recognition
Fuckin ignorant clown.
> Michael O’Sullivan, who fought international drug gangs, including the Kinahan cartel, both in An Garda Síochána and in an EU drug interdiction agency, said that in his experience he hasn’t seen an alternative system that works.
The Kinehans became one of the biggest crime gangs in the world with this guys appoach. He lost the war on drugs and doesn’t realise that.
When I read stuff like that I really do wonder if they are actually drug gang plants encouraged to keep it all illegal to protect their market.
If legalisation went ahead their income would collapse.
Oh so we are better off convicting people for stupid offences and ruin their lives and force them onto the dole adding to our growing number.
I love how all these people have no scientific evidence to back them up or even just an education based argument.
They just love our fucked system and don’t want it changed.
He’s a former cop, and I’m gonna guess a corrupt one because the entire fucking Garda system is corrupted.