Pension reform will be done, Macron got the backing of LR in the senate and will probably get in the assembly too as he managed to appease them
preparing for the anti-immigration policy + demographic pyramid tipping over ?
A Sad day for France. But I also understand the realities of why it needs to happen and don’t intent to live in economic lala land.
Most of the world’s governments seem to be disregarding the will of the people and thus making themselves illegitimate…
Disgusting! Let people retire earlier and help young people get into jobs, stop milking every drop of life out of your citizens.
And France still is among the bottom in Europe for retirement age. I don’t get the fuss?
Life expectancy increased some 6 years for the French in the past 40 years, brithrates are reasonable yet rather low, so why shouldn’t it be 67, let alone 64?
Congrats on France for doing the common sense thing in spite of some whiny masses.
Well, it’s 68 here in Sweden nowadays for full retirement. For me, it’ll probably be 70. We live longer, so the funds can’t take it all. Sad, but necessary.
seems like protests in France aren’t as effective as they used to be, I think someone might lose their head soon
Time to dust off the guillotines.
Good.
Whats the problem? in italy is 67
There is plenty of money to be recovered from fiscal fraud. Why do they need to do optimizations on retirement pensions ???
We will protest, no matter the outcome
But we’ve been told the French are good at protesting, what happened?
Well, you either raise the retirement age or pay lower pensions. The ratio of working and retired people doesn’t let go unless you decide to print the money. You can also force the the working population to contribute even more of their income, but that also won’t be popular.
It’s sad yes, but necessary I’m afraid, otherwise what would be the alternative?
I dont care what an appropiate reitement age is, as long as billionaires and corporations get regular tax cuts while mine increase, the state can afford to give me money earlier.
Meanwhile in The Netherlands with the raised retirement age to 67…
As someone living in the Netherlands I don’t want to have to pay for French laziness. We already had to for the Greeks.
So…the protests are starting when?
Why are French such revolutionaries? From an outside perspective it seems like a necessary obvious measure. In Portugal we retire at 66 and it’ll probably increase before I get there
I am 40, in the UK. I am due to retire at 68. I will have worked 50.5 years by then.
Perhaps I may never retire, I mean my father died at 58.
I know the French like a riot, but 64 is hardly ancient for retirement age compared with other nations.
64 is still quite young, especially with how impressively high French life expectancy is. Ours and (I think) Germany’s is a few years higher despite us not living as long.
Can someone explain the rationale behind this?
It’s 2023, the system is rigged and the way the Governments use our pension funds is an utter failure and you people still argue about the pension age (which by the way, it will keep increasing until you die before you get to retire) instead of pushing for the total eradication of this Socialist Ponzi Scheme aka State-run Pension Scheme.
Each and everyone should keep his pension contribution and do whatever he pleases with it: private pensions, bonds, real estate, stocks, inheritance for children or whatever.
Stop thinking socialist and think more liberal, remove the Ponzi Scheme, your money will never return back to you fully and neither will your children ever see it.
64 is the lowest in the eu right?
Heads will roll after this decision.
But for real a retirement age of 62 isn’t sustainable, and even at 64 France will be one of the lowest in Europe
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Pension reform will be done, Macron got the backing of LR in the senate and will probably get in the assembly too as he managed to appease them
preparing for the anti-immigration policy + demographic pyramid tipping over ?
A Sad day for France. But I also understand the realities of why it needs to happen and don’t intent to live in economic lala land.
Most of the world’s governments seem to be disregarding the will of the people and thus making themselves illegitimate…
Disgusting! Let people retire earlier and help young people get into jobs, stop milking every drop of life out of your citizens.
And France still is among the bottom in Europe for retirement age. I don’t get the fuss?
Life expectancy increased some 6 years for the French in the past 40 years, brithrates are reasonable yet rather low, so why shouldn’t it be 67, let alone 64?
Congrats on France for doing the common sense thing in spite of some whiny masses.
Well, it’s 68 here in Sweden nowadays for full retirement. For me, it’ll probably be 70. We live longer, so the funds can’t take it all. Sad, but necessary.
seems like protests in France aren’t as effective as they used to be, I think someone might lose their head soon
Time to dust off the guillotines.
Good.
Whats the problem? in italy is 67
There is plenty of money to be recovered from fiscal fraud. Why do they need to do optimizations on retirement pensions ???
We will protest, no matter the outcome
But we’ve been told the French are good at protesting, what happened?
Well, you either raise the retirement age or pay lower pensions. The ratio of working and retired people doesn’t let go unless you decide to print the money. You can also force the the working population to contribute even more of their income, but that also won’t be popular.
It’s sad yes, but necessary I’m afraid, otherwise what would be the alternative?
I dont care what an appropiate reitement age is, as long as billionaires and corporations get regular tax cuts while mine increase, the state can afford to give me money earlier.
Meanwhile in The Netherlands with the raised retirement age to 67…
As someone living in the Netherlands I don’t want to have to pay for French laziness. We already had to for the Greeks.
So…the protests are starting when?
Why are French such revolutionaries? From an outside perspective it seems like a necessary obvious measure. In Portugal we retire at 66 and it’ll probably increase before I get there
I am 40, in the UK. I am due to retire at 68. I will have worked 50.5 years by then.
Perhaps I may never retire, I mean my father died at 58.
I know the French like a riot, but 64 is hardly ancient for retirement age compared with other nations.
64 is still quite young, especially with how impressively high French life expectancy is. Ours and (I think) Germany’s is a few years higher despite us not living as long.
Can someone explain the rationale behind this?
It’s 2023, the system is rigged and the way the Governments use our pension funds is an utter failure and you people still argue about the pension age (which by the way, it will keep increasing until you die before you get to retire) instead of pushing for the total eradication of this Socialist Ponzi Scheme aka State-run Pension Scheme.
Each and everyone should keep his pension contribution and do whatever he pleases with it: private pensions, bonds, real estate, stocks, inheritance for children or whatever.
Stop thinking socialist and think more liberal, remove the Ponzi Scheme, your money will never return back to you fully and neither will your children ever see it.
64 is the lowest in the eu right?
Heads will roll after this decision.
But for real a retirement age of 62 isn’t sustainable, and even at 64 France will be one of the lowest in Europe
Fucking hell the French are spoiled.