A well argumented case if I ever read one; well done Sir Michael Caine!
It incites Awesomeness
Me:
– Sees headline
– Does Michael Caine impression inside head about blowing the bloody doors off
– Goes to comment section to see if anyone is referencing Michael Caine impressions
He “[. . .] voted for Brexit… what it is with me, I’d rather be a poor master than a rich servant”? Delusional. The new masters after Brexit are just worse than what European cooperation had to offer. As if British politicians were not part of EU legislation and its implementation nationally.
That guy seems to be quite the imbecile.
>In a 2017 interview with Sky News, following the Brexit referendum, he called politics “chaotic,” adding: “I voted for Brexit… what it is with me, I’d rather be a poor master than a rich servant.”
However, I doubt that a 1960s movie would really inspire modern hordes. They are probably not even aware that the movie exists (at least until now).
Here’s the actual quote from the Spectator interview:
>We might know him as Michael Caine, but he took his knighthood in his real name. He is really Sir Maurice Micklewhite. Sir Maurice takes being Michael Caine very seriously – and he is very good at it – but his diplomacy has limits. When I ask him if the media have been unfair to Woody Allen, the director of Hannah and Her Sisters, who is dogged by allegations of sexual misconduct, he says yes, but adds no more. When I tell him that Zulu is listed on the counter-terror Prevent scheme as a piece of culture that incites the far-right, he says: ‘That is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard.’ Again, he adds no more. He pursues happiness. His perfect day is being at home with his grandchildren, and on his birthday, he says, he will dine with his family.
Seems to me that he’s a conservative idiot, but a honest conservative idiot. He was an actor in an old movie in a different era, and both for the time and for now it isn’t a racist movie. The theme of the movie might be instrumentalized by a certain kind of extremism (white men fighting black men). But honestly, the issue is probably more with white knights who think they should rewrite history. They don’t like how the Zulus are portrayed because they think every black man in every movie has to be a representative of black people in modern anglophone societies. Let the old zulus be the old zulus. The movie was well received by the modern Zulus, it should be enough for us.
Educate people who would want to instrumentalize the film for racist or supremacist purposes so they understand the story and can pinpoint the inaccuracies in it. But don’t reduce it to a film that promotes racism.
Why? Has anyone actually watched that movie?
Christ what a joke
Zulus attack fight back-to-back show them No Mercy
fire at will
Of course it doesn’t promote extremism. It white washes colonialism. Very different.
I love that movie, almost as good as his Man Who Would Be King. I wear a replica of the Masonic pendant worn by Connery’s character.
EDIT: folks, that was sarcasm. Calling it my second favorite Caine movie should have been your first clue. 🙄🤣
I miss Zulu being on at Christmas.
The Zulus in the movie are portrayed by actual modern Zulus, and the movie shows the mutual respect both sides of the battle had for each other. It doesn’t even try to insult the natives, if anything, it does the opposite from the very beggining.
Not to mention it’s based on an actual event that happened, an aftermath of a battle that Britain actually lost, which is portrayed in the sequel. SMH – People probably didn’t even see it, google said it’s about colonialism from the 60s, so aha, it must be evil!
a controversial movie… i have to see it!
This is getting beyond absurd.
Just had a discussion about ‘Cabaret’ and *Tomorrow Belongs To Me*. Clearly an ironic anti-fascist lyric, un-ironically adopted by fascists. Fascists lack originality and art; they steal and pervert to their own uses. Has *Zulu* been perverted by fascists? Probably, just like the swastika, the white hood, and the burning cross. Sad for Sir Michael.
The Zulus in the movie are actually quite well portrayed. There is this scene how a British soldier mocks the Zulu and immediatly gets smacked by a more experienced soldier asking him about the maximum marching distance he can put up and tells him that a Zulu warrior can run twice that distance.
That government paper can go fuck itself. Zulu 1964 will always be a great movie.
It’s just a movie 😂 Jesus Christ how is this poor guy needing to justify what our mams have told us over and over all our childhood’s – it’s just a movie 👀
I had family at that battle. In his letters he uses a lot of terminolgy and talk considered racist today but nothing in them came across as particularly hateful or intending to be racist.
Suggesting that this movie incites far right extremism seems a little strange, the event only came around because of incompetent commanders fucking up at isandlwana, hardly demonstrating the superior race.
It seems war movies depicting European nations are doomed to supposedly incite right wing extremism, be racist or glorifying the past.
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A well argumented case if I ever read one; well done Sir Michael Caine!
It incites Awesomeness
Me:
– Sees headline
– Does Michael Caine impression inside head about blowing the bloody doors off
– Goes to comment section to see if anyone is referencing Michael Caine impressions
He “[. . .] voted for Brexit… what it is with me, I’d rather be a poor master than a rich servant”? Delusional. The new masters after Brexit are just worse than what European cooperation had to offer. As if British politicians were not part of EU legislation and its implementation nationally.
That guy seems to be quite the imbecile.
>In a 2017 interview with Sky News, following the Brexit referendum, he called politics “chaotic,” adding: “I voted for Brexit… what it is with me, I’d rather be a poor master than a rich servant.”
However, I doubt that a 1960s movie would really inspire modern hordes. They are probably not even aware that the movie exists (at least until now).
Here’s the actual quote from the Spectator interview:
>We might know him as Michael Caine, but he took his knighthood in his real name. He is really Sir Maurice Micklewhite. Sir Maurice takes being Michael Caine very seriously – and he is very good at it – but his diplomacy has limits. When I ask him if the media have been unfair to Woody Allen, the director of Hannah and Her Sisters, who is dogged by allegations of sexual misconduct, he says yes, but adds no more. When I tell him that Zulu is listed on the counter-terror Prevent scheme as a piece of culture that incites the far-right, he says: ‘That is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard.’ Again, he adds no more. He pursues happiness. His perfect day is being at home with his grandchildren, and on his birthday, he says, he will dine with his family.
[https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/michael-caine-i-became-an-actor-to-kiss-girls/](https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/michael-caine-i-became-an-actor-to-kiss-girls/)
Seems to me that he’s a conservative idiot, but a honest conservative idiot. He was an actor in an old movie in a different era, and both for the time and for now it isn’t a racist movie. The theme of the movie might be instrumentalized by a certain kind of extremism (white men fighting black men). But honestly, the issue is probably more with white knights who think they should rewrite history. They don’t like how the Zulus are portrayed because they think every black man in every movie has to be a representative of black people in modern anglophone societies. Let the old zulus be the old zulus. The movie was well received by the modern Zulus, it should be enough for us.
Educate people who would want to instrumentalize the film for racist or supremacist purposes so they understand the story and can pinpoint the inaccuracies in it. But don’t reduce it to a film that promotes racism.
Why? Has anyone actually watched that movie?
Christ what a joke
Zulus attack fight back-to-back show them No Mercy
fire at will
Of course it doesn’t promote extremism. It white washes colonialism. Very different.
I love that movie, almost as good as his Man Who Would Be King. I wear a replica of the Masonic pendant worn by Connery’s character.
EDIT: folks, that was sarcasm. Calling it my second favorite Caine movie should have been your first clue. 🙄🤣
I miss Zulu being on at Christmas.
The Zulus in the movie are portrayed by actual modern Zulus, and the movie shows the mutual respect both sides of the battle had for each other. It doesn’t even try to insult the natives, if anything, it does the opposite from the very beggining.
Not to mention it’s based on an actual event that happened, an aftermath of a battle that Britain actually lost, which is portrayed in the sequel. SMH – People probably didn’t even see it, google said it’s about colonialism from the 60s, so aha, it must be evil!
a controversial movie… i have to see it!
This is getting beyond absurd.
Just had a discussion about ‘Cabaret’ and *Tomorrow Belongs To Me*. Clearly an ironic anti-fascist lyric, un-ironically adopted by fascists. Fascists lack originality and art; they steal and pervert to their own uses. Has *Zulu* been perverted by fascists? Probably, just like the swastika, the white hood, and the burning cross. Sad for Sir Michael.
The Zulus in the movie are actually quite well portrayed. There is this scene how a British soldier mocks the Zulu and immediatly gets smacked by a more experienced soldier asking him about the maximum marching distance he can put up and tells him that a Zulu warrior can run twice that distance.
That government paper can go fuck itself. Zulu 1964 will always be a great movie.
It’s just a movie 😂 Jesus Christ how is this poor guy needing to justify what our mams have told us over and over all our childhood’s – it’s just a movie 👀
I had family at that battle. In his letters he uses a lot of terminolgy and talk considered racist today but nothing in them came across as particularly hateful or intending to be racist.
Suggesting that this movie incites far right extremism seems a little strange, the event only came around because of incompetent commanders fucking up at isandlwana, hardly demonstrating the superior race.
It seems war movies depicting European nations are doomed to supposedly incite right wing extremism, be racist or glorifying the past.