A lot more people can speak Irish now than used to – look at that interview with Paul Mescal, for instance.
That’s great, hopefully it’s a continuing upward trend and will continue to improve in north once unification is achieved.
Perhaps one day we could see Irish becoming the dominant language on the island and will have completely replaced English. Only then could I see Ireland for becoming more culturally independent from the UK after a full decolonisation effort had been made on the languages spoken.
Speak irish, use irish in their daily lives, or are fluent.
That is a very broad range. I can follow along with simple conversation, I can read it, but I can’t speak it back in a timely manner.
On this survey I would say no most likely.
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All devout Catholics too I’d wager. These maps are always bullshit, much the same as the census when it comes to Irish language and religion.
The wife is from a “Gaeltacht”. I know maybe a handful of irish soeakers there and none of them use it day to day.
What I was told is that every year or so someone would come to the community to assess their legitimacy as a Gaeltacht. The community would cart in all the irish speakers from inside the pariah and sometimes outside to the community hall.
I am guessing they had to speak irish and meet some kind of irish speaking ratio in the community.
Anyway it’s worth a fierce amount to the community in grants. They have a small enough parish with some insane new infrastructure going up.
I imagine this is self reported fluency as where I live barely a soul can speak Irish and yet according to the map around half can.
I’ve literally never heard Irish being spoken in my life outside of a school where I live so I am very doubtful of those figures.
Well, that’s a fucking lie 😂
Is maith liom caca millis
Yeeeeeee not gonna even sugar coat it, that’s just bullshit. It may be controversial but I also don’t think we should have to learn Irish unless we actually want to. Should not be a compulsory subject.
Is this the ‘Sure I speak Irish’ when an American tourist turns up at a pub. Proceeds to teach them ‘Can I go to the toilet’ or ‘Can I have a poke of sweets’ for a free pint.
T’is true. I have the gift of the gab. To be sure, to be sure! ☘️
An bhfuil cead agam dol go dti an leithreas?
I would have total fluency in Irish, would speak it at home , when I’m abroad so no one can eavesdrop on my conversations etc but I’ve never met anyone in the ‘wild’ with above basic Irish. This map seems kinda generous lol.
That can’t be right. It has to be self-reported or they “speak Irish” in the sense they know how to speak some names properly and maybe ask directions. I’ve barely met anyone that could carry a conversation anymore.
This thread perfectly demonstrates the colonised mindset that we have when it comes to our own language.
People are outright insisting that this map is full of liars. But that could only be true if we hold Irish language abilities to a high standard that we don’t apply to other languages. The general sense here is that if you’re not fluent and don’t speak Irish every day then you shouldn’t say you can speak it. That’s simply not something we’d apply to any other language in this scenario.
I don’t know what’s driving this mentality more; embarrassment over our language or shame that we should be better.
Also, no one seems to be considering if the map could be false in the other direction. In my experience, Irish people seem to vastly underestimate their understanding of the Irish language. My parents insist they can’t speak it, but if I speak Irish to them they understand most of what I have to say, even if they have to reply in English. That level of listening skills takes years to get. Similarly, if I’m talking about the language to someone and they insist they don’t speak it, I’ll switch the conversation to Irish and they’ll be able to follow me.
Also, the census data clearly shows that people coming out of the education system have high levels of Irish abilities. Irish ability degrades with age. This implies that the Irish education system isn’t completely useless as everyone seems to unanimously agree. The result in Northern Ireland alone is also solid evidence of this. The fact is that Irish ability dwindles because there are no outlets for the language outside of the education system. If you make the effort you can find outlets to maintain your Irish. But most people find that blaming the education system is easier than doing that.
Source? How do we know this is accurate?
Or is it just self reported? I would say the numbers are in fact much smaller..
If you don’t mean remembering the odd word from school.
All these data maps
…
Be careful…they’ll be making a new subreddit called r/irelanddatamaps if we’re not careful
Can speak Irish is not the same as does speak Irish.
Proficiency in Irish is more important. How can we help improve the situation if we’re not honest about the situation.
Sadly I think most of Ireland would have results more like the northern Ireland.
I think it might be more appropriate for people to state they can “use” Irish, rather than claim fluency, where there is doubt.
I would say I have intermediate Espanol and Gaeilge because I can use them both when needed.
Could they have picked closer shades of green? Like, this map is too clear because these greens are so different to each other.
This is what happens when twatts self-report on the census.. These numbers are not accurate at all.
Percentage of people who can understand Irish spoken with a foreign accent: 0
The scale is quiet poor. In this context it doesn’t make a difference if 2 or 6% speak Irish, but another step between 25% and 45% (which is nearly 1/4 to 1/2) would be very significant.
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To what extent? Does not seem true
Mermaids in the Shannon estuary speak Irish?
A lot more people can speak Irish now than used to – look at that interview with Paul Mescal, for instance.
That’s great, hopefully it’s a continuing upward trend and will continue to improve in north once unification is achieved.
Perhaps one day we could see Irish becoming the dominant language on the island and will have completely replaced English. Only then could I see Ireland for becoming more culturally independent from the UK after a full decolonisation effort had been made on the languages spoken.
Speak irish, use irish in their daily lives, or are fluent.
That is a very broad range. I can follow along with simple conversation, I can read it, but I can’t speak it back in a timely manner.
On this survey I would say no most likely.
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All devout Catholics too I’d wager. These maps are always bullshit, much the same as the census when it comes to Irish language and religion.
The wife is from a “Gaeltacht”. I know maybe a handful of irish soeakers there and none of them use it day to day.
What I was told is that every year or so someone would come to the community to assess their legitimacy as a Gaeltacht. The community would cart in all the irish speakers from inside the pariah and sometimes outside to the community hall.
I am guessing they had to speak irish and meet some kind of irish speaking ratio in the community.
Anyway it’s worth a fierce amount to the community in grants. They have a small enough parish with some insane new infrastructure going up.
I wonder what happened to that Northern bit ? 🙂
This map is based on a [census done in 2011](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_language).
Tá mise fluent as Gaelige freshen. LOL.
Wow you can actually see the border here
I imagine this is self reported fluency as where I live barely a soul can speak Irish and yet according to the map around half can.
I’ve literally never heard Irish being spoken in my life outside of a school where I live so I am very doubtful of those figures.
Well, that’s a fucking lie 😂
Is maith liom caca millis
Yeeeeeee not gonna even sugar coat it, that’s just bullshit. It may be controversial but I also don’t think we should have to learn Irish unless we actually want to. Should not be a compulsory subject.
Is this the ‘Sure I speak Irish’ when an American tourist turns up at a pub. Proceeds to teach them ‘Can I go to the toilet’ or ‘Can I have a poke of sweets’ for a free pint.
T’is true. I have the gift of the gab. To be sure, to be sure! ☘️
An bhfuil cead agam dol go dti an leithreas?
I would have total fluency in Irish, would speak it at home , when I’m abroad so no one can eavesdrop on my conversations etc but I’ve never met anyone in the ‘wild’ with above basic Irish. This map seems kinda generous lol.
That can’t be right. It has to be self-reported or they “speak Irish” in the sense they know how to speak some names properly and maybe ask directions. I’ve barely met anyone that could carry a conversation anymore.
This thread perfectly demonstrates the colonised mindset that we have when it comes to our own language.
People are outright insisting that this map is full of liars. But that could only be true if we hold Irish language abilities to a high standard that we don’t apply to other languages. The general sense here is that if you’re not fluent and don’t speak Irish every day then you shouldn’t say you can speak it. That’s simply not something we’d apply to any other language in this scenario.
I don’t know what’s driving this mentality more; embarrassment over our language or shame that we should be better.
Also, no one seems to be considering if the map could be false in the other direction. In my experience, Irish people seem to vastly underestimate their understanding of the Irish language. My parents insist they can’t speak it, but if I speak Irish to them they understand most of what I have to say, even if they have to reply in English. That level of listening skills takes years to get. Similarly, if I’m talking about the language to someone and they insist they don’t speak it, I’ll switch the conversation to Irish and they’ll be able to follow me.
Also, the census data clearly shows that people coming out of the education system have high levels of Irish abilities. Irish ability degrades with age. This implies that the Irish education system isn’t completely useless as everyone seems to unanimously agree. The result in Northern Ireland alone is also solid evidence of this. The fact is that Irish ability dwindles because there are no outlets for the language outside of the education system. If you make the effort you can find outlets to maintain your Irish. But most people find that blaming the education system is easier than doing that.
Source? How do we know this is accurate?
Or is it just self reported? I would say the numbers are in fact much smaller..
If you don’t mean remembering the odd word from school.
All these data maps
…
Be careful…they’ll be making a new subreddit called r/irelanddatamaps if we’re not careful
Can speak Irish is not the same as does speak Irish.
Proficiency in Irish is more important. How can we help improve the situation if we’re not honest about the situation.
Sadly I think most of Ireland would have results more like the northern Ireland.
I think it might be more appropriate for people to state they can “use” Irish, rather than claim fluency, where there is doubt.
I would say I have intermediate Espanol and Gaeilge because I can use them both when needed.
Could they have picked closer shades of green? Like, this map is too clear because these greens are so different to each other.
This is what happens when twatts self-report on the census.. These numbers are not accurate at all.
Percentage of people who can understand Irish spoken with a foreign accent: 0
The scale is quiet poor. In this context it doesn’t make a difference if 2 or 6% speak Irish, but another step between 25% and 45% (which is nearly 1/4 to 1/2) would be very significant.
100% can ask can I go to the toilet.