>The electorate is to decide on the introduction of a minimum wage in the city of Zurich. The FDP, GLP and SVP, together with trade and business associations, have launched a referendum against the counter-proposal to the minimum wage initiative.
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>On March 1, the Zurich City Council passed a counter-proposal to the minimum wage initiative. According to this, employees in the city of Zurich should receive an hourly wage of at least 23.90 francs. Against it, the three bourgeois parties take the parliamentary referendum, as they announced on Wednesday.
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>23.90 francs per hour: Zurich city parliament says yes to minimum wageThey consider a municipal minimum wage in the city of Zurich a “dangerous experiment.” No other municipality has one, they say, and trade is likely to migrate to the agglomeration.
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>The referendum leaders are supported by the Trade Association of the City of Zurich, the Zurich Association of Master Builders, Employers Zurich VZH, the City Association, the Zurich Hotel Association and Gastro Stadt Zürich. The associations would also examine legal remedies against the counter-proposal in parallel to the referendum.
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>Bourgeois fail with attack on Zurich’s tax rate: Because “leftists were all present”.Unlike the initiative, the counter-proposal provides for some exemptions, such as a transition period for companies in financial distress. The minimum wage also does not apply to young people under 25 who have not completed at least a vocational certificate.
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>The initiators of “A Living Wage” – SP, Greens, unions and aid organizations – had already announced that they would withdraw the initiative. They could live with the counter-proposal.
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>However, the issue could soon be buried nationwide anyway: The National Council and Council of States decided in December 2022 that cantonal – and thus probably also municipal – minimum wages can be overridden. The next step will now be for the Federal Council to present a draft law.
I am also disappointed again and again by the GLP, which is basically just an FDP with a green coat.
Did anybody expect anything else? Sidenote: 23.90 CHF in the city of Zürich is almost nothing, honestly.
Also nice how the federal government (or should I say the right wing majority of the federal government) immediately intervenes in the affairs of cantons as soon as it is beneficial to the poor? The minimum wages are a joke. Nobody can live with those wages, you can only survive with them and even that is too much for right wingers.
Liberals hate the poor. No surprise there…
And Federalism is apparently only OK if it benefits the rich.
Has the SP completely brainwashed voters in major Swiss cities?
Ironic thing is, even super socialist countries like Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark or Iceland don’t have a statutory minimum wage. Salary floors are directly negotiated between unions and employers/companies.
A healthy thriving economy = cooperative labor relations.
The people’s party is against rights for the people. Describes the party perfectly.
SVP wet dream is to have no legal protection to anybody making below 200k per year.
Classic GLP. They would probably bring back slavery if they could, but still somehow pretend to be *green*
Of course they would…
SVP kash eifach ni brucha . Etz ni und au vur 15 johr ni. Kunn mr vor wia republicaner aber a harmloseri version vu da schwizer. Nutzen sehr ähnlichi psycho-strategia zum menscha manipuliara. I leba nüma in üsem land, aber i weiss dass d’schwiz ganz klar besser dra wär ohni dia hass-partei. Schöna tag.
I support this
Let’s make a simple example why minimum wage is a really stupid policy.
We have a little shop, with 2 employees. It barely makes a profit but the owner is happy to just keep it open and provide for 2 people. It’s not Nestlé or Credit Suisse. Switzerland is the country of KMU/PME, this example is not far from reality for many businesses.
One employee has years of experience, is passionate about his job and also has family he has to provide owner. The shop owner gives him 4’500.- monthly salary.
The other employee is young, has no experience or skills and doesn’t really care about his job. He also has no family to provide for. The shop owner pays him 3’500.- monthly.
Now let’s say you introduce a minimum wage of 4’000.-. The shop owner is then forced to pay both 4’000. – even if their perfomances and needs are much different.
This is why the government shouldn’t be in charge of someone’s salary, because it can’t assess a worker’s value and needs like the employer and the employee do.
Once more a policy really not thought out. Setting up a minimum wage in such a confined space as city limits will mean cheap labor has to move to the suburbs while the same people will then complain that the center only consists of Google and banks
As they always Tell: SVP is for low earner and the people😂
I’m sort of of mixed opinion on this
On the one hand, the majority of jobs already fulfill this criteria. The *median* wage in Zürich is above CHF 7500 per month. People working the tills at migros, coop, etc. already make more in Zürich.
On the other hand, I’m not a fan of regulating things that already work fine and I think this would probably hit small, independent shops the hardest, which could lead even more of them to die.
I guess I’m mildly in favor.
@GLP: You were supposed to destroy the Bürgerliche, not join them.
I am for a minimum wage country wide.
However it is not as simple as setting a value and you are done. If you do that you will end up with the crap in the US where they have a minimum wage that has been stuck at 1980 inflation pricing.
Far more effective would be to tax anyone with 1 Billion (IMO 100m is already enough) or more in the bank at 100% over that. We don’t need billionaires and there is nothing good they are doing that the state (as in the public vote) can do to improve conditions for everyone.
I’m all for decent living wage for everyone, but the argumentation needs to be on point. Emotional oversimplifications (“do you support slavery?” or “do you want to destroy Swiss economy?) can be used to prove *anything* and are not helping anyone.
23.90 Fr/h is nearly 4000 Fr/mo. Median salary is already close to 7000 Fr/mo. My hunch is that there are not so many positions that pay less than 4000. So we can actually see the details!
* Actually how many jobs in the city of Zurich pay less than the proposed minimum wage?
* What kind of jobs these are? Are they tied to the location (e.g. gastro) or can be moved out of the city? (e.g. production)
* Why they pay so? Are these small businesses struggling? Will they be forced to close if minimum wage is required? Should the city introduce subsidies for them?
* Or are they rich big businesses exploiting people? Would these business just pull out of the city? Will this cause unemployment?
Curious to see which side will have more convincing story that doesn’t insult the voters’ intelligence.
This is laughable. Even 4k is way too little to support a family, especially in ZH. 5000k would be more realistic.
I wouldn‘t even bother to to work for 4k tbh.
4k in Zürich lol…
W
I always laugh when I read fdp, maybe because it means something in french…
Good and I hope that the change will fall through. We need a free and liberal economy to flourish, something too many people seem to forget these days.
If Rent, health care and so on will be lowered, yes keep it as it is!
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>The electorate is to decide on the introduction of a minimum wage in the city of Zurich. The FDP, GLP and SVP, together with trade and business associations, have launched a referendum against the counter-proposal to the minimum wage initiative.
>
>On March 1, the Zurich City Council passed a counter-proposal to the minimum wage initiative. According to this, employees in the city of Zurich should receive an hourly wage of at least 23.90 francs. Against it, the three bourgeois parties take the parliamentary referendum, as they announced on Wednesday.
>
>23.90 francs per hour: Zurich city parliament says yes to minimum wageThey consider a municipal minimum wage in the city of Zurich a “dangerous experiment.” No other municipality has one, they say, and trade is likely to migrate to the agglomeration.
>
>The referendum leaders are supported by the Trade Association of the City of Zurich, the Zurich Association of Master Builders, Employers Zurich VZH, the City Association, the Zurich Hotel Association and Gastro Stadt Zürich. The associations would also examine legal remedies against the counter-proposal in parallel to the referendum.
>
>Bourgeois fail with attack on Zurich’s tax rate: Because “leftists were all present”.Unlike the initiative, the counter-proposal provides for some exemptions, such as a transition period for companies in financial distress. The minimum wage also does not apply to young people under 25 who have not completed at least a vocational certificate.
>
>The initiators of “A Living Wage” – SP, Greens, unions and aid organizations – had already announced that they would withdraw the initiative. They could live with the counter-proposal.
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>However, the issue could soon be buried nationwide anyway: The National Council and Council of States decided in December 2022 that cantonal – and thus probably also municipal – minimum wages can be overridden. The next step will now be for the Federal Council to present a draft law.
Let’s see how many people who recently [complained](https://www.reddit.com/r/Switzerland/comments/11jve0f/parttime_bashing_in_the_sonntagszeitung/) that they can’t afford to work part-time are now supporting the referendum.
I am also disappointed again and again by the GLP, which is basically just an FDP with a green coat.
Did anybody expect anything else? Sidenote: 23.90 CHF in the city of Zürich is almost nothing, honestly.
Also nice how the federal government (or should I say the right wing majority of the federal government) immediately intervenes in the affairs of cantons as soon as it is beneficial to the poor? The minimum wages are a joke. Nobody can live with those wages, you can only survive with them and even that is too much for right wingers.
Liberals hate the poor. No surprise there…
And Federalism is apparently only OK if it benefits the rich.
Gesamtarbeitsvertrag/Collective Employment Agreement >>> minimum wage
Has the SP completely brainwashed voters in major Swiss cities?
Ironic thing is, even super socialist countries like Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark or Iceland don’t have a statutory minimum wage. Salary floors are directly negotiated between unions and employers/companies.
A healthy thriving economy = cooperative labor relations.
The people’s party is against rights for the people. Describes the party perfectly.
SVP wet dream is to have no legal protection to anybody making below 200k per year.
Classic GLP. They would probably bring back slavery if they could, but still somehow pretend to be *green*
Of course they would…
SVP kash eifach ni brucha . Etz ni und au vur 15 johr ni. Kunn mr vor wia republicaner aber a harmloseri version vu da schwizer. Nutzen sehr ähnlichi psycho-strategia zum menscha manipuliara. I leba nüma in üsem land, aber i weiss dass d’schwiz ganz klar besser dra wär ohni dia hass-partei. Schöna tag.
I support this
Let’s make a simple example why minimum wage is a really stupid policy.
We have a little shop, with 2 employees. It barely makes a profit but the owner is happy to just keep it open and provide for 2 people. It’s not Nestlé or Credit Suisse. Switzerland is the country of KMU/PME, this example is not far from reality for many businesses.
One employee has years of experience, is passionate about his job and also has family he has to provide owner. The shop owner gives him 4’500.- monthly salary.
The other employee is young, has no experience or skills and doesn’t really care about his job. He also has no family to provide for. The shop owner pays him 3’500.- monthly.
Now let’s say you introduce a minimum wage of 4’000.-. The shop owner is then forced to pay both 4’000. – even if their perfomances and needs are much different.
This is why the government shouldn’t be in charge of someone’s salary, because it can’t assess a worker’s value and needs like the employer and the employee do.
Once more a policy really not thought out. Setting up a minimum wage in such a confined space as city limits will mean cheap labor has to move to the suburbs while the same people will then complain that the center only consists of Google and banks
As they always Tell: SVP is for low earner and the people😂
I’m sort of of mixed opinion on this
On the one hand, the majority of jobs already fulfill this criteria. The *median* wage in Zürich is above CHF 7500 per month. People working the tills at migros, coop, etc. already make more in Zürich.
On the other hand, I’m not a fan of regulating things that already work fine and I think this would probably hit small, independent shops the hardest, which could lead even more of them to die.
I guess I’m mildly in favor.
@GLP: You were supposed to destroy the Bürgerliche, not join them.
I am for a minimum wage country wide.
However it is not as simple as setting a value and you are done. If you do that you will end up with the crap in the US where they have a minimum wage that has been stuck at 1980 inflation pricing.
Far more effective would be to tax anyone with 1 Billion (IMO 100m is already enough) or more in the bank at 100% over that. We don’t need billionaires and there is nothing good they are doing that the state (as in the public vote) can do to improve conditions for everyone.
I’m all for decent living wage for everyone, but the argumentation needs to be on point. Emotional oversimplifications (“do you support slavery?” or “do you want to destroy Swiss economy?) can be used to prove *anything* and are not helping anyone.
23.90 Fr/h is nearly 4000 Fr/mo. Median salary is already close to 7000 Fr/mo. My hunch is that there are not so many positions that pay less than 4000. So we can actually see the details!
* Actually how many jobs in the city of Zurich pay less than the proposed minimum wage?
* What kind of jobs these are? Are they tied to the location (e.g. gastro) or can be moved out of the city? (e.g. production)
* Why they pay so? Are these small businesses struggling? Will they be forced to close if minimum wage is required? Should the city introduce subsidies for them?
* Or are they rich big businesses exploiting people? Would these business just pull out of the city? Will this cause unemployment?
Curious to see which side will have more convincing story that doesn’t insult the voters’ intelligence.
This is laughable. Even 4k is way too little to support a family, especially in ZH. 5000k would be more realistic.
I wouldn‘t even bother to to work for 4k tbh.
4k in Zürich lol…
W
I always laugh when I read fdp, maybe because it means something in french…
Good and I hope that the change will fall through. We need a free and liberal economy to flourish, something too many people seem to forget these days.
If Rent, health care and so on will be lowered, yes keep it as it is!