> Die Wohnungsnot beschäftigt nicht nur die Fachleute, sondern auch die Politik.
>
> Verschiedenen Vorschläge machen die Runde. Eine Auswahl:
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> * Dichter Bauen: Ausnützungsziffern und maximale Bauhöhen erhöhen
> * Lockerung Lärmschutz
> * Einsprachemöglichkeiten überdenken
> * Förderung Umwandlung von Büroimmobilien in Wohnliegenschaften mittels raschen Umzonungen
> * Recht auf Wohnungstausch ohne Mietzinserhöhung
> * Mindestbelegung in urbanen Neubauten
> * Vorkaufsrecht für Gemeinden
Earlier in the article:
> Durch die Zuwanderung und den Trend zu kleineren Wohnungen wächst die Schweiz jährlich um rund 55’000 Haushalte.
So glad we’re keenly aware of the why but come up with a slew of other proposals just to not talk about the elephant in the room.
Literally no reason to add 60’000 immigrants every year again and again and again just so companies can increase their profits ever more while everyone else is left dealing with the fallout. Fucking ridiculous.
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In my opinion these might make it a little bit easier for swiss residents :
1. Don’t allow foreigners to invest in Swiss real estate. Only allow people to buy if they’ve lived in Switzerland at least 1 year.
2. Limit immigration to persons with a working permit. Send illegals back to their countries. (This might be seen as racist… But it’s totally not… There a difference between being a foreigner and participate in the economy and being a leech)
3. Push for Home Office and convert commercial building to residential properties
4. Get rid of rental value tax and allow people to deduct from taxes rent and amortization
Of course, I might be wrong and I’ll gladly debate.
I think ,especially in cities, buildings have to be taller. The top floors can contain bigger appartments with a view and high standard of living and the lower levels offer smaller flats for cheap. Like this you can contain more people in the same area and at the same time avoid ghettos if you mix different living standards within one building.
State should only intervene when private business has too much debt or goes bankrupt.
Other than that, state shall copulate off. Also, taxes too high and highway too narrow.
Yes. Only the Swiss should be able to buy property in Switzerland.
This country needs to send the leeches back to their countries, immigration has to have a stricter quota and asylum seekers should not be accepted for a few years until the housing issue has been solved for the Swiss citizens. This housing issue has been going for too long, it’s tiring, it’s worst when all political parties have no idea what to do, this topic will always be in limbo.
I think the state should intervene less (building code, zoning laws etc.) so it’s more feasable to develop new projects.
What works for solving a housing crisis:
– building more houses
What doesn’t work for solving a housing crisis:
– rental caps
– financial tricks and regulations so that people can go in debt for 100 years because otherwise they can’t afford a house
– Xenophobic bullshit about kicking people out of the country (classic example of cutting your own Dick because your wife is mean to you)
– limits of how much real estate people can buy
– regulations of how many people can live in a house
– other dystopic proto-communist rules that are loved by eco-nazi and far right extremists alike
Guess what though? If you build more houses, the price of existing houses will stagnate or go down. Which is also why housing crisis exist in the first place – house owners lobby politicians so they don’t give out permits to build more houses.
I’m for this assuming that illegal immigrants and asylum seekers do not become a scapegoat in the coversation. Tired of hearing these SVP talking points being given legitimacy with no facts to back them up.
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Just make it easier to build more living space.
Something needs to be done, I think everybody knows that.
Make it more attractive for companies to move to 2nd and 3rd tier cities. Somehow still all the companies want to be in Zürich, Geneva or Basel. Or the other way around: Introduce a tax for employees that need to commute to these cities.
I am also for a central rent register. Landlords (old money) just make a unjustified lot of cash which reduces the overall wealth with no benefit. I know this won’t solve the housing shortage but at least it helps the people to not get ripped off because of the shortage.
To reduce the shortage I would sacrifice some land and build new/modern/smart cities. That’s not really possible with the current room planing law. So we just extend the wrongly designed suburbs.
Build on hills or arrange the buildings better. These new dense/tight but not very tall developments make me depressive just from looking at it. Everybody should have at least a bit of view looking out of their home.
I don’t think we have a housing shortage in whole switzerland. It’s just in some bigger cities. There is enough space for everyone, but average people struggle to pay for many. Our government should start to build more cheap apartments like they do it in vienna. This would solve all the problems.
It is so funny to read all those xenophobic comments in here. Well, I want to ask a question to everyone who thinks that the immigrants are causing the housing crisis: Do you know how hard is it for immigrants to get an apartment? Swiss citizens are always PRIORITIZED and are actually preferred over permit/asylum holders. Have you ever talked to a landlord/agency? Would they ever prefer someone with a temporary permit instead of a swiss citizen? Think before you speak.
The state has intervened and caused this. Zoning laws, building codes, financial instruments related to retirement and disability investing in property, and also having generally done a decent job managing this country, leading to lots of immigration and massively increased demand are at the core.
Remote work. There are abandoned villages in Ticino, Jura, Wallis. Lots of empty home in the middle of beautiful nature. We must promote more remote work wherever possible and makes sense, and some of those houses will get filled up again. And we reduce commuting load. This will not solve but help.
Kick out all refugees and also build more skyscrapers
The state should never intervene.
Why doesn‘t switzerland just create new towns? Like find a remote place and plan a modern city with highrise objects and the best train and streetnetwork possible?
I think this problem arises a question at the core of both switzerland and the world: is an endless growth a good thing? Right now both population and our economy (at least at the aggregate level) are booming but this would require an ecological sacrifice: building more houses and having less green spaces.
In my opinion, it is not too different from the world economies were we keep consuming and growing economically at the cost of great natural damages.
Not only do we nit more housing but there are far too many apartments and houses that get used a few weeks a year for vacations and are empty the rest of the time. In addition to that there needs to be more affordable living space. Rents are too expensive.
They should stop intervening and let people build
The general anti-immigrant sentiment here is border-lining on scary.
Yes
As long as we keep considering residential real estate as a commodity to be traded on the market for profit, and we therefore accept there is virtually unlimited profit to be made there, **the situation won’t change**
Right now, houses are assets (very inelastic ones) and the market encourages hoarding as many as you can. Worsened by the fact that people can’t really go without housing, so they will pay whatever price is asked.
I worked in Milan, the average salary is 1500EUR, the average studio apartment is 1000EUR. In Switzerland we’re nowhere that bad, but it goes to show that the breaking point is far from close, and people will put up with this shit because, really, they do not have a choice
What sounds sensible to me is prevent hoarding of residential real estate, maybe by applying increasing taxation the more units you own? (and maybe reducing taxation on the average Joe who only owns his primary residence, since we’re at it?)
You should be able to start your life in a small apartment, buy a bigger place and rent that apartment, and maybe even do it again. I see virtually no harm in individuals / families owning a limited number of apartments and renting them for a profit. The problem is that this does not scale.
You should not be able to buy 10 units, use the profit to buy more, and end up owning 100 units while still maintaining a positive balance. Residential real estate at scale should not be allowed to be a sound investment: if owning 1000 apartments in Zurich is objectively a great way to invest money given you have the initial capital, then you can bet your ass people with capital will do **just that.**
Housing should be a basic necessity for the people, not an investment tool for the corporations
Damn right the should. Bring down the price for Swiss citizens and bump up the prices for expats, diplomats etc.
Ausnützungsziffer and Zoning go to hell! Like, just remove these laws completely.
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> Die Wohnungsnot beschäftigt nicht nur die Fachleute, sondern auch die Politik.
>
> Verschiedenen Vorschläge machen die Runde. Eine Auswahl:
>
> * Dichter Bauen: Ausnützungsziffern und maximale Bauhöhen erhöhen
> * Lockerung Lärmschutz
> * Einsprachemöglichkeiten überdenken
> * Förderung Umwandlung von Büroimmobilien in Wohnliegenschaften mittels raschen Umzonungen
> * Recht auf Wohnungstausch ohne Mietzinserhöhung
> * Mindestbelegung in urbanen Neubauten
> * Vorkaufsrecht für Gemeinden
Earlier in the article:
> Durch die Zuwanderung und den Trend zu kleineren Wohnungen wächst die Schweiz jährlich um rund 55’000 Haushalte.
So glad we’re keenly aware of the why but come up with a slew of other proposals just to not talk about the elephant in the room.
Literally no reason to add 60’000 immigrants every year again and again and again just so companies can increase their profits ever more while everyone else is left dealing with the fallout. Fucking ridiculous.
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In my opinion these might make it a little bit easier for swiss residents :
1. Don’t allow foreigners to invest in Swiss real estate. Only allow people to buy if they’ve lived in Switzerland at least 1 year.
2. Limit immigration to persons with a working permit. Send illegals back to their countries. (This might be seen as racist… But it’s totally not… There a difference between being a foreigner and participate in the economy and being a leech)
3. Push for Home Office and convert commercial building to residential properties
4. Get rid of rental value tax and allow people to deduct from taxes rent and amortization
Of course, I might be wrong and I’ll gladly debate.
I think ,especially in cities, buildings have to be taller. The top floors can contain bigger appartments with a view and high standard of living and the lower levels offer smaller flats for cheap. Like this you can contain more people in the same area and at the same time avoid ghettos if you mix different living standards within one building.
State should only intervene when private business has too much debt or goes bankrupt.
Other than that, state shall copulate off. Also, taxes too high and highway too narrow.
Yes. Only the Swiss should be able to buy property in Switzerland.
This country needs to send the leeches back to their countries, immigration has to have a stricter quota and asylum seekers should not be accepted for a few years until the housing issue has been solved for the Swiss citizens. This housing issue has been going for too long, it’s tiring, it’s worst when all political parties have no idea what to do, this topic will always be in limbo.
I think the state should intervene less (building code, zoning laws etc.) so it’s more feasable to develop new projects.
What works for solving a housing crisis:
– building more houses
What doesn’t work for solving a housing crisis:
– rental caps
– financial tricks and regulations so that people can go in debt for 100 years because otherwise they can’t afford a house
– Xenophobic bullshit about kicking people out of the country (classic example of cutting your own Dick because your wife is mean to you)
– limits of how much real estate people can buy
– regulations of how many people can live in a house
– other dystopic proto-communist rules that are loved by eco-nazi and far right extremists alike
Guess what though? If you build more houses, the price of existing houses will stagnate or go down. Which is also why housing crisis exist in the first place – house owners lobby politicians so they don’t give out permits to build more houses.
I’m for this assuming that illegal immigrants and asylum seekers do not become a scapegoat in the coversation. Tired of hearing these SVP talking points being given legitimacy with no facts to back them up.
[deleted]
Just make it easier to build more living space.
Something needs to be done, I think everybody knows that.
Make it more attractive for companies to move to 2nd and 3rd tier cities. Somehow still all the companies want to be in Zürich, Geneva or Basel. Or the other way around: Introduce a tax for employees that need to commute to these cities.
I am also for a central rent register. Landlords (old money) just make a unjustified lot of cash which reduces the overall wealth with no benefit. I know this won’t solve the housing shortage but at least it helps the people to not get ripped off because of the shortage.
To reduce the shortage I would sacrifice some land and build new/modern/smart cities. That’s not really possible with the current room planing law. So we just extend the wrongly designed suburbs.
Build on hills or arrange the buildings better. These new dense/tight but not very tall developments make me depressive just from looking at it. Everybody should have at least a bit of view looking out of their home.
I don’t think we have a housing shortage in whole switzerland. It’s just in some bigger cities. There is enough space for everyone, but average people struggle to pay for many. Our government should start to build more cheap apartments like they do it in vienna. This would solve all the problems.
It is so funny to read all those xenophobic comments in here. Well, I want to ask a question to everyone who thinks that the immigrants are causing the housing crisis: Do you know how hard is it for immigrants to get an apartment? Swiss citizens are always PRIORITIZED and are actually preferred over permit/asylum holders. Have you ever talked to a landlord/agency? Would they ever prefer someone with a temporary permit instead of a swiss citizen? Think before you speak.
The state has intervened and caused this. Zoning laws, building codes, financial instruments related to retirement and disability investing in property, and also having generally done a decent job managing this country, leading to lots of immigration and massively increased demand are at the core.
Remote work. There are abandoned villages in Ticino, Jura, Wallis. Lots of empty home in the middle of beautiful nature. We must promote more remote work wherever possible and makes sense, and some of those houses will get filled up again. And we reduce commuting load. This will not solve but help.
Kick out all refugees and also build more skyscrapers
The state should never intervene.
Why doesn‘t switzerland just create new towns? Like find a remote place and plan a modern city with highrise objects and the best train and streetnetwork possible?
I think this problem arises a question at the core of both switzerland and the world: is an endless growth a good thing? Right now both population and our economy (at least at the aggregate level) are booming but this would require an ecological sacrifice: building more houses and having less green spaces.
In my opinion, it is not too different from the world economies were we keep consuming and growing economically at the cost of great natural damages.
Not only do we nit more housing but there are far too many apartments and houses that get used a few weeks a year for vacations and are empty the rest of the time. In addition to that there needs to be more affordable living space. Rents are too expensive.
They should stop intervening and let people build
The general anti-immigrant sentiment here is border-lining on scary.
Yes
As long as we keep considering residential real estate as a commodity to be traded on the market for profit, and we therefore accept there is virtually unlimited profit to be made there, **the situation won’t change**
Right now, houses are assets (very inelastic ones) and the market encourages hoarding as many as you can. Worsened by the fact that people can’t really go without housing, so they will pay whatever price is asked.
I worked in Milan, the average salary is 1500EUR, the average studio apartment is 1000EUR. In Switzerland we’re nowhere that bad, but it goes to show that the breaking point is far from close, and people will put up with this shit because, really, they do not have a choice
What sounds sensible to me is prevent hoarding of residential real estate, maybe by applying increasing taxation the more units you own? (and maybe reducing taxation on the average Joe who only owns his primary residence, since we’re at it?)
You should be able to start your life in a small apartment, buy a bigger place and rent that apartment, and maybe even do it again. I see virtually no harm in individuals / families owning a limited number of apartments and renting them for a profit. The problem is that this does not scale.
You should not be able to buy 10 units, use the profit to buy more, and end up owning 100 units while still maintaining a positive balance. Residential real estate at scale should not be allowed to be a sound investment: if owning 1000 apartments in Zurich is objectively a great way to invest money given you have the initial capital, then you can bet your ass people with capital will do **just that.**
Housing should be a basic necessity for the people, not an investment tool for the corporations
Damn right the should. Bring down the price for Swiss citizens and bump up the prices for expats, diplomats etc.
Ausnützungsziffer and Zoning go to hell! Like, just remove these laws completely.