but but that council owned tree is dropping leaves and sap onto my car and encouraging birds to roost above it. Something must be done!!!!
Yeah, humans suck
One week Britain is told to secure its food supply and industrialise its farming further. The next week Britain is told to shrink its farming base and allow huge tracts of land to return to nature. One week Britain is told to recycle at considerable expense – or else. The next week Britain is told to accept lower wages permanently, and higher taxes, also likely permanently.
What do to? I agree that environmental consideration is important. But what is the cost?
Not surprising really. Coming from Ireland (which is very similarly stripped of natural environments) I remember I first visited the peak district.
I had seen it was a ‘national park’ and that is what I was expecting.
But it’s just farmland. In fact the only difference between it and the neighboring non ‘national park’ areas seems to be some slightly stricter building restrictions. But even then they were building housing estates.
we are so heavily populated for such a small space, no wonder. everything is either farmland or housing developments. where is the nature supposed to go. plus everyone has a cat, it must kill off hal the bird population every year.
Yet again the agricultural industry/ farmers are at the heart of the problem, when it comes to nature and the environment
I hate to say it, but Jeremy Clarkson brings this up and showcases exactly this on the farm. Massive depletion in insect populations because we destroy nearly all the wild natural forestry for farm fields and development. It’s all created a ripple effect that’s created a compounding problem.
No shit, we’re an ancient, tiny, vastly populated island.
This is not news, it’s been the case for many years
Well isn’t that kinda expected, given that Britain at the peak of its power was the primary driver of industrialisation?
Of course it is. Councils keep downgrading green belt land to brown belt land so thousands more houses can be built.
Most of the south east is more densely populated that the Netherlands lol.
The Scottish Highlands are cleared of natural growth for shooting.
BUT.
Most Brits do care – we are planting new forests, opening new preserves and changing the use of chemicals. New sewers will halep massively too.
If you’re the kind of person who astro turfs their garden. This is on you.
And yet people always bang on about building more houses. There used to be lots of wildflower meadows near me, now it’s all just housing estates
We could turn a certain amount of our land back into Forrest’s/meadows/ponds to create natural environments and encourage nature over time. On a personal level some people don’t care, just look at how much litter there is in some areas or people who now want there gardens to be artificial grass.
The moorland is artificially maintained for huntin ground nesting birds most of it would revert to wooded areas if left alone. Farming is necessary on such a large scale because urban areas are extremely densely populated as we are not permitted to build on green belt
Is this what the Attenborough series was going to cover?
Pump more shit into the rivers, that’ll fix things.
This is so true, but I’m not sure how much people really care? Or rather, they are just so used to it being the normal they don’t even consider it?
I moved here from Aus a long while ago. I went from living in Sydney and feeding bright colourful birds on my apartment balcony every day and watching the baby possums run along the railings at night. Green everywhere. Yes, there were spiders to, but that’s fine.
I tried to find a nice green area when I moved here. I thought I’d see all sorts of British birds – was really looking forward to the tits. Instead I found contrete/tarmac covered streets. Very little greenery. And when I commented on the 1 pretty green parrots I saw flying around I was told “they are a pest and need to be killed off”.
Well you people all want immigration topping up the UK population and large families to support the ponzi economy and GDP lie and you can’t have both this and flourishing nature. Us nimbys/hippies tried to tell you this but idiots still crow about ‘housing shortages’ etc
Just back from walking the dog. Heart is hurting from all of the newly felled trees I’ve just seen. And the mountains of rubbish on river banks and green areas. I’m forever picking up litter on dog walks but it never seems to last. So sad.
This has always been my problem with the UK.
‘Oh the lovely British countryside!’
But it’s literally just farm fields, no nature, no wilderness.
God this country is not just back to the sick man of Europe but the world.
Given the size of island that we live on and the population that we have, a significant amount of the worlds tallest buildings should be found here. Similarly we should have state of the art urban planning and public transit networks that are the envy of the world.
The problem is that people don’t really want to solve problems unless the problems can be solved without affecting them at all. Since you can’t satisfy all the people all the time you just get deadlock on most if not all critical issues because nobody will concede anything.
People don’t care. They’re too busy hardening their gardens, infill building, cutting down trees and hedges because they’re “overgrown”, dousing everything in chemicals to kill “pests” and covering everywhere else in their litter.
Any farmland not in use gets sold off for housing and shopping centres, while derelict properties/sites are left to decay. Green spaces and woodland are “managed” to the point of sterilisation.
But they’ll still put a sad face emoji on a Facebook post about an orphaned orangutan on the other side of the world.
That’s just where i live though, might be different elsewhere in the country.
Being someone who works in nature conservation in the UK I constantly have a background level of depression just looking out the window or driving through the countryside. This is not how this country is supposed to be and I feel like almost nobody else notices or cares.
> A third of agricultural land is used to grow crops, many of which are fed to animals.
Well if only something could be done about that.
In another words, the UK is one of the most toxic countries in the world.
Yet folk on here think we should keep helping. Farmers who are responsible for most of it lol
It’s about two-feet tall, long slender neck, kinda orange and black bill..
Why is anyone shocked? We started the industrial revolution of course we stripped the country.
Yes it really is, since moving to rural USA it’s really apparent that the UK has no wilderness left
This isn’t surprising when you consider how much of a head start we got in moulding our landscape to our needs. In this respect we’re a lost cause.
I struggle to convey how sad and dissapointed this makes me. And when I see the government allowing companies to dump raw sewage into our rivers…What sort of world are we creating?
Infinite growth, modern Capitalism isn’t compatible with nature. Its one or the other.
What are we going to do about this…sick of hearing about these things and feeling we can’t do anything about it
There was a lawyer speaking on Radio 4 about taking on local councils who routinely cut down trees. It turns out almost all of them do it just for the sake of it. The work being done to, say, fix a path or repair a wall doesn’t need the tree to be removed.
Our local council will destroy what little nature we have for absolutely no reason. In every case the lawyer said he had to force the local council to give a fuck.
I dread seeing “For Sale” signs on houses because i know that the new owner will inevitably rip out all the trees, hedges & flowerbeds and replace them with gravel and fencing (that will then blow down with every storm!) I used to see hedgehogs regularly on my street before this eyesore gravel trend started & now I haven’t seen a single one in 2 years.
When I was planting privet hedges in our front garden last year so many passersby came up to tell me how delighted they were to see natural hedging rather than concrete, so it can’t be just me that gets upset at the destruction of natural habitats for the sake of being “neat & tidy”
People don’t care about nature. They want their tidy lawn and their supermarket meat, and massive new housing estates full of ridiculous 4 beds in soulless plans. They want their wide SUV, and sterile, managed world. They’re content to watch nature on the TV, far away from them.
When humans die off nature will take over again. Can’t wait.
So crazy to think we have some of the biggest national parks in Europe, but they are basically ecological deserts. The rewilding movement massively opened my eyes to how alot national parks are actually being managed.
Just ask Plymouth City Council after cutting down over 100 trees during the night of all things.
Farmland is becoming increasingly worthless so being sold off for loads of new housing developments that nobody other than boomers-turned-landlords can afford.
Drove past one the other day and, along the border between the field and the road there was a ditch which *did* have loads of trees and bushes. All shredded and gone. No need for it so far as I could tell. Just habitat destruction, in spring of all times when animals are nesting.
“Well we planted some trees over there” – they’re all dead mate because you’re only interested in ticking a box, grabbing your money, and disappearing into the next project.
Small organic farmer in South Wales here 👋
Organic means no fertilisers, no pesticides and tight regulation on the use of animal antibiotics. Over ten percent of our farm is also ‘wild habitat’, i.e unkempt land that no livestock can access which normally includes fallen trees and flowers.
We’ve been organic for nearly twenty years now and the change is amazing.
There are hares everywhere. You cannot walk through two fields without seeing one. Rabbits, hedgehogs, dragonflies, canada geese, ducks, toads, frogs, foxes, bees and lapwings, a few barn owls and even though we don’t like them, the odd badger moves in.
We are surrounded on all sides by three non-organic farms, the smallest of which has over ten times our acreage and ten times our stock numbers.
It is absolutely barren green land. No trees. You don’t see rabbits in the fields or dragonflies in the brook. It may look neat and pretty but there isn’t a single weed or a flower for a passing bee.
Lots of people love to bash farmers, but some of us are trying our best. There are ways of doing it better, the big chaps just need to get on board.
What do you mean by that maybe you see the bad side happened to your country
One of the major problems is our national parks mostly aren’t even natural or wild in the least. Couple that with overgrazing due to no large predators like lynx or wolves and even our wild spaces are bare.
We have ruined our country with overpopulation and destroyed all its great forests and put in their place a bunch of farmers fields that some people find really nice to look at. I look at field after field of fenced off and hedgerows as complete destruction.
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but but that council owned tree is dropping leaves and sap onto my car and encouraging birds to roost above it. Something must be done!!!!
Yeah, humans suck
One week Britain is told to secure its food supply and industrialise its farming further. The next week Britain is told to shrink its farming base and allow huge tracts of land to return to nature. One week Britain is told to recycle at considerable expense – or else. The next week Britain is told to accept lower wages permanently, and higher taxes, also likely permanently.
What do to? I agree that environmental consideration is important. But what is the cost?
Not surprising really. Coming from Ireland (which is very similarly stripped of natural environments) I remember I first visited the peak district.
I had seen it was a ‘national park’ and that is what I was expecting.
But it’s just farmland. In fact the only difference between it and the neighboring non ‘national park’ areas seems to be some slightly stricter building restrictions. But even then they were building housing estates.
we are so heavily populated for such a small space, no wonder. everything is either farmland or housing developments. where is the nature supposed to go. plus everyone has a cat, it must kill off hal the bird population every year.
Yet again the agricultural industry/ farmers are at the heart of the problem, when it comes to nature and the environment
I hate to say it, but Jeremy Clarkson brings this up and showcases exactly this on the farm. Massive depletion in insect populations because we destroy nearly all the wild natural forestry for farm fields and development. It’s all created a ripple effect that’s created a compounding problem.
No shit, we’re an ancient, tiny, vastly populated island.
This is not news, it’s been the case for many years
Well isn’t that kinda expected, given that Britain at the peak of its power was the primary driver of industrialisation?
Of course it is. Councils keep downgrading green belt land to brown belt land so thousands more houses can be built.
Most of the south east is more densely populated that the Netherlands lol.
The Scottish Highlands are cleared of natural growth for shooting.
BUT.
Most Brits do care – we are planting new forests, opening new preserves and changing the use of chemicals. New sewers will halep massively too.
If you’re the kind of person who astro turfs their garden. This is on you.
And yet people always bang on about building more houses. There used to be lots of wildflower meadows near me, now it’s all just housing estates
We could turn a certain amount of our land back into Forrest’s/meadows/ponds to create natural environments and encourage nature over time. On a personal level some people don’t care, just look at how much litter there is in some areas or people who now want there gardens to be artificial grass.
The moorland is artificially maintained for huntin ground nesting birds most of it would revert to wooded areas if left alone. Farming is necessary on such a large scale because urban areas are extremely densely populated as we are not permitted to build on green belt
Is this what the Attenborough series was going to cover?
Pump more shit into the rivers, that’ll fix things.
This is so true, but I’m not sure how much people really care? Or rather, they are just so used to it being the normal they don’t even consider it?
I moved here from Aus a long while ago. I went from living in Sydney and feeding bright colourful birds on my apartment balcony every day and watching the baby possums run along the railings at night. Green everywhere. Yes, there were spiders to, but that’s fine.
I tried to find a nice green area when I moved here. I thought I’d see all sorts of British birds – was really looking forward to the tits. Instead I found contrete/tarmac covered streets. Very little greenery. And when I commented on the 1 pretty green parrots I saw flying around I was told “they are a pest and need to be killed off”.
Well you people all want immigration topping up the UK population and large families to support the ponzi economy and GDP lie and you can’t have both this and flourishing nature. Us nimbys/hippies tried to tell you this but idiots still crow about ‘housing shortages’ etc
Just back from walking the dog. Heart is hurting from all of the newly felled trees I’ve just seen. And the mountains of rubbish on river banks and green areas. I’m forever picking up litter on dog walks but it never seems to last. So sad.
This has always been my problem with the UK.
‘Oh the lovely British countryside!’
But it’s literally just farm fields, no nature, no wilderness.
God this country is not just back to the sick man of Europe but the world.
Given the size of island that we live on and the population that we have, a significant amount of the worlds tallest buildings should be found here. Similarly we should have state of the art urban planning and public transit networks that are the envy of the world.
The problem is that people don’t really want to solve problems unless the problems can be solved without affecting them at all. Since you can’t satisfy all the people all the time you just get deadlock on most if not all critical issues because nobody will concede anything.
People don’t care. They’re too busy hardening their gardens, infill building, cutting down trees and hedges because they’re “overgrown”, dousing everything in chemicals to kill “pests” and covering everywhere else in their litter.
Any farmland not in use gets sold off for housing and shopping centres, while derelict properties/sites are left to decay. Green spaces and woodland are “managed” to the point of sterilisation.
But they’ll still put a sad face emoji on a Facebook post about an orphaned orangutan on the other side of the world.
That’s just where i live though, might be different elsewhere in the country.
Being someone who works in nature conservation in the UK I constantly have a background level of depression just looking out the window or driving through the countryside. This is not how this country is supposed to be and I feel like almost nobody else notices or cares.
> A third of agricultural land is used to grow crops, many of which are fed to animals.
Well if only something could be done about that.
In another words, the UK is one of the most toxic countries in the world.
Yet folk on here think we should keep helping. Farmers who are responsible for most of it lol
It’s about two-feet tall, long slender neck, kinda orange and black bill..
Why is anyone shocked? We started the industrial revolution of course we stripped the country.
Yes it really is, since moving to rural USA it’s really apparent that the UK has no wilderness left
This isn’t surprising when you consider how much of a head start we got in moulding our landscape to our needs. In this respect we’re a lost cause.
I struggle to convey how sad and dissapointed this makes me. And when I see the government allowing companies to dump raw sewage into our rivers…What sort of world are we creating?
Infinite growth, modern Capitalism isn’t compatible with nature. Its one or the other.
What are we going to do about this…sick of hearing about these things and feeling we can’t do anything about it
There was a lawyer speaking on Radio 4 about taking on local councils who routinely cut down trees. It turns out almost all of them do it just for the sake of it. The work being done to, say, fix a path or repair a wall doesn’t need the tree to be removed.
Our local council will destroy what little nature we have for absolutely no reason. In every case the lawyer said he had to force the local council to give a fuck.
I dread seeing “For Sale” signs on houses because i know that the new owner will inevitably rip out all the trees, hedges & flowerbeds and replace them with gravel and fencing (that will then blow down with every storm!) I used to see hedgehogs regularly on my street before this eyesore gravel trend started & now I haven’t seen a single one in 2 years.
When I was planting privet hedges in our front garden last year so many passersby came up to tell me how delighted they were to see natural hedging rather than concrete, so it can’t be just me that gets upset at the destruction of natural habitats for the sake of being “neat & tidy”
People don’t care about nature. They want their tidy lawn and their supermarket meat, and massive new housing estates full of ridiculous 4 beds in soulless plans. They want their wide SUV, and sterile, managed world. They’re content to watch nature on the TV, far away from them.
When humans die off nature will take over again. Can’t wait.
So crazy to think we have some of the biggest national parks in Europe, but they are basically ecological deserts. The rewilding movement massively opened my eyes to how alot national parks are actually being managed.
Just ask Plymouth City Council after cutting down over 100 trees during the night of all things.
Farmland is becoming increasingly worthless so being sold off for loads of new housing developments that nobody other than boomers-turned-landlords can afford.
Drove past one the other day and, along the border between the field and the road there was a ditch which *did* have loads of trees and bushes. All shredded and gone. No need for it so far as I could tell. Just habitat destruction, in spring of all times when animals are nesting.
“Well we planted some trees over there” – they’re all dead mate because you’re only interested in ticking a box, grabbing your money, and disappearing into the next project.
Small organic farmer in South Wales here 👋
Organic means no fertilisers, no pesticides and tight regulation on the use of animal antibiotics. Over ten percent of our farm is also ‘wild habitat’, i.e unkempt land that no livestock can access which normally includes fallen trees and flowers.
We’ve been organic for nearly twenty years now and the change is amazing.
There are hares everywhere. You cannot walk through two fields without seeing one. Rabbits, hedgehogs, dragonflies, canada geese, ducks, toads, frogs, foxes, bees and lapwings, a few barn owls and even though we don’t like them, the odd badger moves in.
We are surrounded on all sides by three non-organic farms, the smallest of which has over ten times our acreage and ten times our stock numbers.
It is absolutely barren green land. No trees. You don’t see rabbits in the fields or dragonflies in the brook. It may look neat and pretty but there isn’t a single weed or a flower for a passing bee.
Lots of people love to bash farmers, but some of us are trying our best. There are ways of doing it better, the big chaps just need to get on board.
What do you mean by that maybe you see the bad side happened to your country
One of the major problems is our national parks mostly aren’t even natural or wild in the least. Couple that with overgrazing due to no large predators like lynx or wolves and even our wild spaces are bare.
We have ruined our country with overpopulation and destroyed all its great forests and put in their place a bunch of farmers fields that some people find really nice to look at. I look at field after field of fenced off and hedgerows as complete destruction.