It will cost 70,000 per person. Just crazy. This government cares not for people, only the 1%.
Well I think we can all agree that if we want the likes of Jeremy Hunt and James Dyson to be able to pay more money into their pension then somebody has to take one for the team and that the poorest of society are better placed to do that. After all they would only spend their money on drugs and prostitutes.
As a policy this only sounds good for people who don’t know anything about how disability elements in UC work and how PIP works.
There are two levels of disability element in UC. Limited Capability for Work (LCW) and Limited Capability for Work and Work Related Activity (LCWRA). LCW doesn’t give you more money than you’d get than if you were just on job seekers but I believe it does passport you for other things like free NHS prescriptions and dentistry. LCW generally is for people who can’t work right now but will in the future so the support is geared towards that.
LCWRA basically means the DWP leave you alone and you have no obligations other than tell them if anything has changed. You technically can still work on it but the DWP are hawkish and will immediately try to reassess you if you do anything at all. They claim this isn’t true but it is true.
PIP is really hard to get compared to anything UC based. It’s also not means tested so you can work and claim PIP as long as your work doesn’t conflict with your PIP assessment.
By tying LCWRA to PIP they are making it harder to get. Basically benefits advisors have worked for years to figure out how to get people the benefits they need in a system designed to make it harder. The government doesn’t like that so they are going to make it even harder.
This is bad news for disabled people.
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There is also a HUGE backlog already for PIP assessments and reassessments so not only are the government forcing people to apply for a harder to get benefit but it’s also bottlenecked already. So in practice hundreds of thousands of people will be kicked off their benefits and will have to possibly wait years for an assessment which will likely be refused as the first pass and eventually have to wait for an appeal. With the courts already being backlogged I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say it will take years to get your benefits and then have to go through the same process on reassessment after only a few years.
I’m also extremely concerned about the half threats to take the UK out of the ECHR because a lot of judicial reviews regarding the governments treatment of disabled people rely on the ECHR. They’ve already stalled for years on a judicial review regarding the removal of disability premiums in Universal Credit. Leaving the ECHR means the disabled have even less avenues to challenge the government and it’s treatment of disabled people.
Forcing the disabled into work to help struggling business. I personally didn’t think this government could get any worse.
This is confusing AF.
My dad is on ESA Support Group and PIP Basic Daily Living and Enhanced Mobility. How would this affect him?
Everything about UC was about getting people on to a single system so they would only have to twist the knife in one place.
I had an incredible work coach who worked very hard to get me onto LCWRA. He recognised that trying to previously work (from the age of 17 to 29) and then trying to do university (from the age of 30 to 33) was making me suicidal and that I had a history of attempts.
I am profoundly autistic. I don’t know when to eat or drink. I don’t know how to regulate my emotions. I don’t even *recognise* half of my emotions. I’ve done online PIP assessment tests and I would be entitled to high rate in most areas.
But the whole process of PIP is corrupt. You are at the total whim of whatever doctor is in the assessment meetings and whether they understand your situation, which is why I have held off for it.
Losing £350 a month will kill me. I have trimmed everything I can with the cost of living crisis.
I have worked so hard on getting myself in a good place this past year with my mental health and now I am back to existential crisis.
As a disabled person on pip and with LCWRA I assume the government just wants me dead.
But you don’t understand if we don’t dick the disabled and vulnerable financially we might have to tax the poor billionaires.
I wonder how many more disabled people this new round of austerity will kill?
A Tory budget has left those who can least afford to be worse off, worse off. Shocker.
At least it allows them to afford the scrapping of the pension savings cap, hey?
If we cannot adequately support people with disabilities and chronic health issues, then exactly **who** are we growing this economy for?
The UK is not a third world country. We have the money. We have the infrastructure. We have the resources. We have the technology.
There is no justification for the Government cheating people with disabilities and the sick out of the support and financial assistance they need.
As always cruelty and inhumanity is the whole point.
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It will cost 70,000 per person. Just crazy. This government cares not for people, only the 1%.
Well I think we can all agree that if we want the likes of Jeremy Hunt and James Dyson to be able to pay more money into their pension then somebody has to take one for the team and that the poorest of society are better placed to do that. After all they would only spend their money on drugs and prostitutes.
As a policy this only sounds good for people who don’t know anything about how disability elements in UC work and how PIP works.
There are two levels of disability element in UC. Limited Capability for Work (LCW) and Limited Capability for Work and Work Related Activity (LCWRA). LCW doesn’t give you more money than you’d get than if you were just on job seekers but I believe it does passport you for other things like free NHS prescriptions and dentistry. LCW generally is for people who can’t work right now but will in the future so the support is geared towards that.
LCWRA basically means the DWP leave you alone and you have no obligations other than tell them if anything has changed. You technically can still work on it but the DWP are hawkish and will immediately try to reassess you if you do anything at all. They claim this isn’t true but it is true.
PIP is really hard to get compared to anything UC based. It’s also not means tested so you can work and claim PIP as long as your work doesn’t conflict with your PIP assessment.
By tying LCWRA to PIP they are making it harder to get. Basically benefits advisors have worked for years to figure out how to get people the benefits they need in a system designed to make it harder. The government doesn’t like that so they are going to make it even harder.
This is bad news for disabled people.
Edit:
There is also a HUGE backlog already for PIP assessments and reassessments so not only are the government forcing people to apply for a harder to get benefit but it’s also bottlenecked already. So in practice hundreds of thousands of people will be kicked off their benefits and will have to possibly wait years for an assessment which will likely be refused as the first pass and eventually have to wait for an appeal. With the courts already being backlogged I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say it will take years to get your benefits and then have to go through the same process on reassessment after only a few years.
I’m also extremely concerned about the half threats to take the UK out of the ECHR because a lot of judicial reviews regarding the governments treatment of disabled people rely on the ECHR. They’ve already stalled for years on a judicial review regarding the removal of disability premiums in Universal Credit. Leaving the ECHR means the disabled have even less avenues to challenge the government and it’s treatment of disabled people.
Forcing the disabled into work to help struggling business. I personally didn’t think this government could get any worse.
This is confusing AF.
My dad is on ESA Support Group and PIP Basic Daily Living and Enhanced Mobility. How would this affect him?
Everything about UC was about getting people on to a single system so they would only have to twist the knife in one place.
I had an incredible work coach who worked very hard to get me onto LCWRA. He recognised that trying to previously work (from the age of 17 to 29) and then trying to do university (from the age of 30 to 33) was making me suicidal and that I had a history of attempts.
I am profoundly autistic. I don’t know when to eat or drink. I don’t know how to regulate my emotions. I don’t even *recognise* half of my emotions. I’ve done online PIP assessment tests and I would be entitled to high rate in most areas.
But the whole process of PIP is corrupt. You are at the total whim of whatever doctor is in the assessment meetings and whether they understand your situation, which is why I have held off for it.
Losing £350 a month will kill me. I have trimmed everything I can with the cost of living crisis.
I have worked so hard on getting myself in a good place this past year with my mental health and now I am back to existential crisis.
As a disabled person on pip and with LCWRA I assume the government just wants me dead.
But you don’t understand if we don’t dick the disabled and vulnerable financially we might have to tax the poor billionaires.
I wonder how many more disabled people this new round of austerity will kill?
A Tory budget has left those who can least afford to be worse off, worse off. Shocker.
At least it allows them to afford the scrapping of the pension savings cap, hey?
If we cannot adequately support people with disabilities and chronic health issues, then exactly **who** are we growing this economy for?
The UK is not a third world country. We have the money. We have the infrastructure. We have the resources. We have the technology.
There is no justification for the Government cheating people with disabilities and the sick out of the support and financial assistance they need.
As always cruelty and inhumanity is the whole point.