To be honest, I don’t really like the idea of such things being available posthumously. It’s opens up a bit of a weird one – who is to say, after my death, that I wanted [x].
Genuine question, is there any real systematic precedence for such posthumous changes? Posthumous name changes?
It’s easy to look at a fairly clear cut case, but how do you deal with the grey area? Is it something that would have to go to court? Or would next of kin be free to make this change as they see fit?
Please please please someone attempt to justify this?
She was just a fucking girl. She wasn’t theoretical, misguided or delusional. She knew who she was and so did all of those who knew and loved her. She was just a kid who had her short life stolen from her in a brutal and awful fashion. And you somehow find a way to put the boot in after all of that. You fucking monsters.
And people wonder why we’re fucking angry.
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As tragic as this case was, I’m not sure how workable a posthumous application would be.
“Family” is vague here, who takes precedence? Spouse? Parent? Child? Sibling? Does there need to be a consensus? Would this set a precedent that next-of-kin automatically have the right to make this kind of decision on the deceased’s behalf? Could it work the other way? Could a family member revoke the deceased’s GRC and claim that it’s what they have wanted?
Even assuming it’s limited to parents/guardians applying on behalf of a child under the age of 18 – what happens if one parent wants it, but the other doesn’t?
I’m not sure what I’m missing here and I know this won’t be popular but it’s not like some deliberate thing from the nasty party. However, the law is the law and of she was too young to get the form/certificate/whatever thats just unfortunate.
As we’ve all been stating for months:
– Gender recognition certificates have nothing to do with bathrooms or sports.
– GRC’s help trans people to get married and be buried as who they are.
And here we have a child, murdered for who she was, being disrespected in death to please people who hated her in life.
Why the fuck and who the fuck cares what anyone does with themselves and their own body, its just weird
Correct me if I’m wrong; but death certificates show the sex of the deceased and not gender, are these not separate things?
The one thing I can see as an obstacle is who would act on her behalf and apply for it. It’s a minor detail, but who gets power to act on someone’s behalf isn’t a straightforward question for safeguarding reasons.
They could’ve at least said that they’d properly consider this, rather than this crap response.
you mean they refused to change the rules for one person because they were killed as backdoor for changing the law for all.
the conservative party should stand firm for once.
I’m not surprised they haven’t, there must be also sorts of legal and other issues doing this on the hoof
She knows who she was, a piece of paper isn’t going to make a difference
The petition got just 13,000 supporters. That isn’t even near the limit for it to be discussed in parliament. The headline is misleading as 100,000 signatures are needed before MPs will discuss the petition being discussed.
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I just burnt my hands on this hot potato.
Best we can all do is refer to Brianna as the person she was. Thats all anyone is going to get. Getting bogged down in this legal quagmire isn’t going to help – we need to focus on stamping out hate and making sure people going forward can have a path to gain the post humous gender recognition they clearly deserve.
RIP to her. Thought with her family.
Edit: re-worded to clarify my thoughts.
The immediate response for every petition i have ever seen on that site has always been
“No” + 5 paragraphs of waffle
Makes you wonder why they bothered making it
This is a real travesty of a title.
While I agree it is definitely a shame, that is the most ridiculous biased, emotive title for something much more trivial.
The reality is the law is rigid for everyone, her gender wasn’t changed officially before her death and we don’t do one off’s just because of tragic circumstances… when you read it that way it makes a lot more sense than “rejecting dignity in death”.
Honestly if an exception was made I wouldn’t have a problem with it, but framing it as rejection of dignity is so unbelievably uninterested in facts and skipping straight to emotion.
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To be honest, I don’t really like the idea of such things being available posthumously. It’s opens up a bit of a weird one – who is to say, after my death, that I wanted [x].
Genuine question, is there any real systematic precedence for such posthumous changes? Posthumous name changes?
It’s easy to look at a fairly clear cut case, but how do you deal with the grey area? Is it something that would have to go to court? Or would next of kin be free to make this change as they see fit?
Please please please someone attempt to justify this?
She was just a fucking girl. She wasn’t theoretical, misguided or delusional. She knew who she was and so did all of those who knew and loved her. She was just a kid who had her short life stolen from her in a brutal and awful fashion. And you somehow find a way to put the boot in after all of that. You fucking monsters.
And people wonder why we’re fucking angry.
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As tragic as this case was, I’m not sure how workable a posthumous application would be.
“Family” is vague here, who takes precedence? Spouse? Parent? Child? Sibling? Does there need to be a consensus? Would this set a precedent that next-of-kin automatically have the right to make this kind of decision on the deceased’s behalf? Could it work the other way? Could a family member revoke the deceased’s GRC and claim that it’s what they have wanted?
Even assuming it’s limited to parents/guardians applying on behalf of a child under the age of 18 – what happens if one parent wants it, but the other doesn’t?
I’m not sure what I’m missing here and I know this won’t be popular but it’s not like some deliberate thing from the nasty party. However, the law is the law and of she was too young to get the form/certificate/whatever thats just unfortunate.
As we’ve all been stating for months:
– Gender recognition certificates have nothing to do with bathrooms or sports.
– GRC’s help trans people to get married and be buried as who they are.
And here we have a child, murdered for who she was, being disrespected in death to please people who hated her in life.
Why the fuck and who the fuck cares what anyone does with themselves and their own body, its just weird
Correct me if I’m wrong; but death certificates show the sex of the deceased and not gender, are these not separate things?
The one thing I can see as an obstacle is who would act on her behalf and apply for it. It’s a minor detail, but who gets power to act on someone’s behalf isn’t a straightforward question for safeguarding reasons.
They could’ve at least said that they’d properly consider this, rather than this crap response.
you mean they refused to change the rules for one person because they were killed as backdoor for changing the law for all.
the conservative party should stand firm for once.
I’m not surprised they haven’t, there must be also sorts of legal and other issues doing this on the hoof
She knows who she was, a piece of paper isn’t going to make a difference
The petition got just 13,000 supporters. That isn’t even near the limit for it to be discussed in parliament. The headline is misleading as 100,000 signatures are needed before MPs will discuss the petition being discussed.
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I just burnt my hands on this hot potato.
Best we can all do is refer to Brianna as the person she was. Thats all anyone is going to get. Getting bogged down in this legal quagmire isn’t going to help – we need to focus on stamping out hate and making sure people going forward can have a path to gain the post humous gender recognition they clearly deserve.
RIP to her. Thought with her family.
Edit: re-worded to clarify my thoughts.
The immediate response for every petition i have ever seen on that site has always been
“No” + 5 paragraphs of waffle
Makes you wonder why they bothered making it
This is a real travesty of a title.
While I agree it is definitely a shame, that is the most ridiculous biased, emotive title for something much more trivial.
The reality is the law is rigid for everyone, her gender wasn’t changed officially before her death and we don’t do one off’s just because of tragic circumstances… when you read it that way it makes a lot more sense than “rejecting dignity in death”.
Honestly if an exception was made I wouldn’t have a problem with it, but framing it as rejection of dignity is so unbelievably uninterested in facts and skipping straight to emotion.