Hi, proud ppl of Estonia. I just watched the Swedish documentary, in 7 episodes, about the sinking of M/S Estonia and the surrounding aftermath. What is your personally take on it, and what’s the public take on it, if it’s differ? Does any of the presented conspiracy theories still lives, and so on?
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There was a new investigation after the Discovery documentary came out, but it hasn’t found any evidence to support the conspiracy theories and there’s no funding for additional surveys. The holes in the body are thought to be from the seafloor and the sinking was probably caused by bad welding. The theories live on of course.
Their website is https://www.estonia1994.ee/ if you’re interested.
Sh*t happens and it happened many, many years ago, I wasn’t involved so I couldn’t care too much but a little.
The accident changed ship design for good. All the major shipping companies believed bad design to be a major cause of the accident and spent considerable money mending their existing designs and modifying ships.
My mother was supposed to be on that ship but she missed the departure.
Anywho, the ship wasn’t meant for open sea and finally failed. Accident. No conspiracies, just shit handling of the aftermath.
My grandfather, who I never met, died on it and was never found.
For me, the recent dives have actually confirmed beyond reasonable doubt that it was an accident. People keep spinning the unknowns into a conspiracy, and often make money off it. Through my almost decade long interest in MS Estonia, I have seen many conspiracies being debunked one after another.
The only truly odd and unexplained thing, which cannot be explained and debunked with sufficient confidence. The fate of Kapten Piht and several other crew members, who were at first accounted for and later removed from list of survivors. The names were said by survivors and written down. It is highly unbelievable that someone wrote down wrong names.
Classified documents, https://www.ohtuleht.ee/201009/70-aastaks-salastatud
Murdered crewmates and people associated, incl. Estline’s CEO.
Lies, about hauling Soviet weapons. Later a customs/border person from Swedish side confessed the ship had been hauling weapons.
Bow visor locked in Swedish military base.
Swedish coast guars watergunning the divers (on video). Neutral waters.
Etc etc.
I suspect a Speznaz spec ops similar to the French agents sinking Greenpeace’s Rainbow Warrior (agents inflitrated into the crew and planted a bomb, some James Bond level shit to keep the good people away from protesting against nuke testing in the ocean. False identities and frogmen swimming under the water lmao.) but with objective to get rid of the cargo (trucks containing radar tech, missiles or nuclear fuel, who knows). Documentation about the cargo (vehicles on board) is “missing”. There were more vehicles on board than in writing. If I remember correctly, witnesses claimed convoy of trucks came late on board with police escort.
As you might know, Russian resources were for sale after the collapse of the Union. My dad bought tons of diesel fuel and a tank costume and a gas mask from local soldiers. Stuff wasn’t counted for. I’d imagine a general could sell even an operational tank to the right person.
The ship was under Estonian flag, yet it seems to me we’re nobody and this is over our heads. The visor and documents are in Swedish custody. They decide who gets to dive or not, altho the ship is in neutral waters.
The biggest expert claimed there was no hole in the ship “100%”, yet it was later discovered. Some hole created by a rock.
The “official” divers were interested in retrieving some businessman’s suitcase, who stayed in the captain’s room (Avo Piht, riding shotgun at that night). This is all on video and available on youtube with transcript.
DIVERS SHOULD HAVE INSTEAD IDENTIFIED THE PEOPLE ON THE BRIDGE! There was a tattooed man on the bridge, yet no crew on bridge had tattoos. It’s like retrieving the planewreck but leaving the black box behind!
People saw at least 2 cruise ships sail by at the time of the accident and they just kept going. It’s like Estonia’s communications were offline for a while.
You might also be interested in the mysterious cases of Eston Kohver https://et.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eston_Kohver
and Aivar Rehe, late Danske’s CEO, who hung himself (or someone helped him) in his backyard right after the fact Russian oligarhs laundered hundreds of billions right here in Estonia’s Danske branch.
shipt happens
Oh god. Piss off, please.
Boat dead, people dead, now 2023
Estonia was independent for barely 4 years, so were were poor, didnt have the resources to do thing the right way we can now. Lets face it the ship was crap, tehnical control was crap, laws regarding safety was crap, rescue equipment and protocols were crap.
Its like now when you hear that a ferry sank in a random African country, you dont think twice. Well…we were that african country essentially. Its honestly amazing that more catastrophe’s didnt happen in the 90-s.
There were definitely some weird things going on around the event. Some of the former conspiracy theories have turned out to be true, like that the ferry was being used to covertly transport weapons, including on the day of its sinking. However I don’t think there’s a strong alternative explanation for the disaster at this point.
All I personally know is that my aunt’s close friend, who was a survivor, soon after getting home received a creepy, threatening phonecall. No idea wtf that was about.
Estonias own Roswell
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The fact that the Swedish government was quick to cover the wreckage with sand & gravel indicates enough to me that there was more going on with that ship than we’re told. I don’t think there’s another ‘sanctity grave’ in the world besides MS Estonia, instead of raising the ship and giving people a proper burial in their homelands; they instead were left to feed the fish.
Multiple members of the crew were first accounted for and later dismissed, and multiple employees of the Estline company were later murdered.
I guess people wouldn’t be spinning theories about the ship if both Estonian and the Swedish government were transparent about the whole situation; about what the ship was carrying and why the svenssons were so hasty to prevent any investigation whatsoever.
Oh and of course the fact that documents about the sinking are classified for 70 years. If it was truly a design flaw along with poor maintenance of the ship, you wouldn’t need to classify anything.
Estonia, at the time, had posession over highly classified millitary projects and documents.
Some millitary cars were allowed to pass without toll check and the contents were highly classified.
There is a slim chance that Russia, which is known for reckless acts of terrorism against civillians, was willing to sink the ship on purpose in order to dispose of the millitary-grade technology.
They also likely sent special force diver teams to gather the remaining intelligence, evidence and data.
This is just a possible theory though. There’s a lot of them.
But seeing how Russia was willing to blindly attack Ukraine, i wouldn’t rule the possibility out.
We don’t know the reason to this day. Only speculations, both official and unofficial (conspiracy theories)
Min far reste med MS Estonia till Sverige månader innan det sjönk. Hela min familj blev chockade när det hände. På den tiden fanns det många teorier om orsaken till att sjunka. Men jag tror ändå inte på några konspirationsteorier angående tragedin.
Personal take: I didn’t lose anyone from my circle of acquaintances.
A ship with a dozen flaws was allowed to sail on a route it wasn’t meant for, with damaged parts here and there, design errors and lack of safety features… a nearly identical ship had suffered front visor lock failures in a storm, but the information was shoved in a drawer and not acted upon… it was the year’s strongest storm, the captain hurried, one of the flaws expressed itself (front visor locks broke), a design flaw amplified the outcome (the visor pulled the car ramp down), early warning didn’t come (camera coverage had blind areas, the bridge couldn’t see the visor, sensors didn’t show much), lack of safety features made the disaster quick and terrible (lack of a watertight separating wall allowed the entire car deck to flood).
People knew that the ship had flaws, inspectors tried to stop it from sailing (a truck accident had damaged the car ramp and it was found to be sealed with old mattresses) but had no authority since they found the flaws on a training visit. The company pressed on and the ship sailed – profit needed making. A watertight separating wall was theoretically required, but the company applied for an excemption, and was granted the right to not modify their ship for use on open sea.
Poor organizational culture kills. (Classic example: in the recent earthquake in Turkey, the house of the society of civil engineers didn’t even suffer a broken window, while houses built without competent supervision fell and killed 45 000.)
Is the documentary available to watch on YouTube or anywhere like that?
where did you see the documentary?
My dad almost went on it.
Something deffinetly happend other than just an accident. What it was who the fuck knows and we will never know.
There have been no proof of whatever conspiracy, although constant push.