That’s probably the most idiotic way to start negotiations.
Apparently, some EU leaders think China can still be “tamed” via globalism and free trade, or “negotiated with” via diplomacy. The EU and US tried that strategy approximately 20-30 years ago with both China *and* Russia. As anyone today with two or more brain cells can tell, it didn’t work out. *At all*.
South Korea? Singapore? Vietnam? The Philippines? They are to China what East Europe and the Baltics are to Russia in that, apparently, few people take them seriously about the threat their giant imperialist neighbor poses. *They* can tell you how it goes when a totalitarian, ethnonationalist (just *look* at how non-Han people are treated in China), revanchist power starts trying to set up a sphere of influence in the Pacific, because they’ve lived through such an experience — and died *en masse* during it — before.
The Chinese government does not actually, genuinely care about diplomacy, because the Chinese government is a bunch of totalitarian, nationalist [wolf warriors](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_warrior_diplomacy) for whom all foreign policy is domestic policy. Negotiating and trading with them gives *them* money and a boost to their domestic credibility and gives *you* cheap-ass products and a dependency upon them for pretty much everything.
So, yes, I do genuinely hope the EU “looses China”. The question is not whether or not doing so is unnecessary. China will — *will* — try fuck the EU, and everyone else, over sooner or later. The question is how much the EU can cut itself loose from China before that happens.
The US, for instance, has seen the warning signs and is already trying to cut itself out of Chinese supply chains, [at least in regards to really important things like semiconductors](https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/10/27/biden-s-unprecedented-semiconductor-bet-pub-88270). Admittedly, we have much more to loose than the EU, so the EU has a lot more wiggle room than we do, but it would be reassuring to see the EU follow suit.
We can’t lose Russia. We can’t lose China. We can’t lose Turkey etc.
Can I be honest?
I think the real hidden issue here is that no EU leader truly believe anymore in a monopolar global leadership.
To pursue this idea EU leaders will always be willing to negotiate with China and other major international players.
Am I wrong?
Really pathetic of them to be falling over themselves, making the trip to the throne of Xi in China
Will Europe ever learn to grow up and be more independent? As a European, I would really like that
Pathetic, simply pathetic.
Why can’t these articles say who said it and with direct quotes. Some people were quoted but when you leave others out it sounds like it’s some irrelevant person or maybe even made up.
Don t worry China won t sell you.
cheap labour best eu value
So the same strategy as with Putin: European country leaders will fly to China to bend the knee to an authoritarian regime? That sure did a lot for the Ukrainian conflict.
When will the EU grow a pair and start act as a real union? Send representatives from the union itself. Act as one and show that we are a force to reckon with and not a joke.
Also, to win China, we need to win the Chinese people, not their leaders. This is how democracy is supposed to work, at least I think so.
Maybe we need a new generation of leaders in the EU.
Fucking EU stop being a limp dick.
I’m a big fan of democracy. My hope is one day Russia, China and US will become more democratic
If don’t lose up China, you won’t lose Russia
I don’t fully understand why some of these comments are so sardonic. Losing China to Russia completely would indeed be horrible. Maybe it shouldn’t be said like these “EU leaders” said it, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be taken seriously. Should we be happy to witness the current geopolitical dynamics?
We can lose China, but our rich people would precious money, so they can’t lose them. Idiots, we are just voting for idiots
Fuck them.
Stop using China
We can and we should.
nah we should cut ties with them. Europe should work toward self sustainability.
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Can lose what they never had.
That’s probably the most idiotic way to start negotiations.
Apparently, some EU leaders think China can still be “tamed” via globalism and free trade, or “negotiated with” via diplomacy. The EU and US tried that strategy approximately 20-30 years ago with both China *and* Russia. As anyone today with two or more brain cells can tell, it didn’t work out. *At all*.
South Korea? Singapore? Vietnam? The Philippines? They are to China what East Europe and the Baltics are to Russia in that, apparently, few people take them seriously about the threat their giant imperialist neighbor poses. *They* can tell you how it goes when a totalitarian, ethnonationalist (just *look* at how non-Han people are treated in China), revanchist power starts trying to set up a sphere of influence in the Pacific, because they’ve lived through such an experience — and died *en masse* during it — before.
The Chinese government does not actually, genuinely care about diplomacy, because the Chinese government is a bunch of totalitarian, nationalist [wolf warriors](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_warrior_diplomacy) for whom all foreign policy is domestic policy. Negotiating and trading with them gives *them* money and a boost to their domestic credibility and gives *you* cheap-ass products and a dependency upon them for pretty much everything.
So, yes, I do genuinely hope the EU “looses China”. The question is not whether or not doing so is unnecessary. China will — *will* — try fuck the EU, and everyone else, over sooner or later. The question is how much the EU can cut itself loose from China before that happens.
The US, for instance, has seen the warning signs and is already trying to cut itself out of Chinese supply chains, [at least in regards to really important things like semiconductors](https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/10/27/biden-s-unprecedented-semiconductor-bet-pub-88270). Admittedly, we have much more to loose than the EU, so the EU has a lot more wiggle room than we do, but it would be reassuring to see the EU follow suit.
We can’t lose Russia. We can’t lose China. We can’t lose Turkey etc.
Can I be honest?
I think the real hidden issue here is that no EU leader truly believe anymore in a monopolar global leadership.
To pursue this idea EU leaders will always be willing to negotiate with China and other major international players.
Am I wrong?
Really pathetic of them to be falling over themselves, making the trip to the throne of Xi in China
Will Europe ever learn to grow up and be more independent? As a European, I would really like that
Pathetic, simply pathetic.
Why can’t these articles say who said it and with direct quotes. Some people were quoted but when you leave others out it sounds like it’s some irrelevant person or maybe even made up.
Don t worry China won t sell you.
cheap labour best eu value
So the same strategy as with Putin: European country leaders will fly to China to bend the knee to an authoritarian regime? That sure did a lot for the Ukrainian conflict.
When will the EU grow a pair and start act as a real union? Send representatives from the union itself. Act as one and show that we are a force to reckon with and not a joke.
Also, to win China, we need to win the Chinese people, not their leaders. This is how democracy is supposed to work, at least I think so.
Maybe we need a new generation of leaders in the EU.
Fucking EU stop being a limp dick.
I’m a big fan of democracy. My hope is one day Russia, China and US will become more democratic
If don’t lose up China, you won’t lose Russia
I don’t fully understand why some of these comments are so sardonic. Losing China to Russia completely would indeed be horrible. Maybe it shouldn’t be said like these “EU leaders” said it, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be taken seriously. Should we be happy to witness the current geopolitical dynamics?
We can lose China, but our rich people would precious money, so they can’t lose them. Idiots, we are just voting for idiots
Fuck them.
Stop using China
We can and we should.
nah we should cut ties with them. Europe should work toward self sustainability.
holy shit. will we never learn?
We can. And we will.