I’m asking here because I saw it in the Journal [today](https://i.imgur.com/7KxdUjm.jpg). I didn’t expect to see it in Irish discourse.

Cards on the table: I think it’s silly.

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  5. I’m not sure why it would be an issue to use as a term?

    Trans men can get pregnant. Unless you’re insistent on calling men who may have been living their lives for a very long time as male “women” then I don’t see the issue with the term pregnant people.

    It’s not American discourse any more than not using gay slurs is American discourse.

    In any case I think it’s silly to get offended about inclusive language.

  7. I really couldn’t give a shit. If someone said “pregnant women” and someone else corrected them, I’d think it was stupid, but I also don’t see why I’d be annoyed by the term. I mean, it’s not incorrect?

  9. >Cards on the table: I think it’s silly.

    I completely agree with you.
    Just be glad that you’re not famous.

    You’ve already gone about as far as JK Rowling did & that was enough for her to be branded transphobic & a crazed TERF.

  12. There’s many a term that was common as little as 20 years ago but now you won’t hear em from anyone under 50.

    The drive behind pregnant people is because you can have plenty of folk who identify as men but have a womb and can get pregnant.

    Many or most younger people today understand that someone can grow up feeling like their given body isn’t reflective of their gender and with depressing stigma, it’s likely to become more common – gone are the days when the “odd child” was shipped off to the nunnery or seminary.

    As far as the entire debate goes, I’ve only got finite energy and space in my brain. I think there’s two very vocal polar opposites in the debate and I don’t have the patience for either. I’ve got daughters and if one of them grows up and finds they don’t feel like a woman and they want to be identified as male, they’re not hurting anyone so more power to them.

    There’s such a vitriol backlash against it though… like, I’ve got so many male friends and I’ve like… never seen their junk, but I call them male. I’m not really sure why that’s not shocking for the folk struggling with this whole thing…

    Or maybe it’s just the language bit… him/he and all that feels like someone’s telling them what they learned was wrong and they don’t like that… like I said, I haven’t the energy to go to fight with the extremes of the two sides and most of the debate or discussion is just nonsense back and forths on the extremes, convincing both sides that there’s a massive culture war going on, but it’s mostly just some twitter accounts and 4chan pages…

  15. Its a silly term that no non twitter user will ever seriously use and expect to be taken seriously. Its not worth caring about. I think trans people deserve respect and equal treatment but lets not try and pretend men can get pregnant. It just creates “vegan sausage roll” style hair splitting arguments which is good for nothing but “content”.

  16. More woke nonsense, women get pregnant, men don’t. 99% of pregnancies occur with women, why should we change things to accommodate a tiny percent of deviation? Mad how many women fought to be recognised as actual human beings and now are being erased for the sake of being “inclusive”.

    Up there with “chest feeding” and other bollocks.

  18. It’s inclusive not only of trans people who get pregnant but also of people who get pregnant when they are minors — a 13-year-old who is pregnant is *not* a woman. They’re a child. So “pregnant people” is inclusive of them as well.

  19. Generally, I’m fine with it provided people are also fine with using the term ‘pregnant women’. I’ve recently seen terms like ‘people who menstruate’ used instead of ‘women’.

    I completely understand the need to make trans people feel comfortable and I’m fully supportive of their rights. That being said, I feel like it’s fairly normal to apply a majority view on the world. Once that view proves to be wrong, I’m happy to apologise and adjust my terminology for that person going forward. And of course, if I’m made aware of the correct term to use for someone ahead of time I’ll do all I can to ensure that I use it.

    But no, I don’t we should replace everything with gender neutral terms

  22. Well they have to say it because they’re terrified of an insane backlash or….they have modern sensibilities.
    It’s utterly stupid of course but it’s only gonna hurt or annoy ppl on either side of a internet debate.
    One of those things that will prob never bother you in the real world so who cares.

  24. Personally, I would prefer “people who are pregnant” because “pregnant people” and “pregnant women” suggest that their pregnancy is the only thing that defines them. It’s the same sort of thing as “Autistic person” and “person with Autism.” They have very slightly different meanings by putting the emphasis on different words. And every Autistic person has their own opinion on which they would like to be called.

  26. It sounds odd to my ears. I don’t really understand what it’s about. I’m like that guy in the tracker mortgage ad Does it refer to people who don’t identify as female, yet want to carry and bear children?

  28. I don’t get it; why wouldn’t you refer to people who are pregnant as “pregnant people”? Have I missed some memo about “pregnant” not being an appropriate word anymore? What’s the correct term?

  31. Doesn’t change how the sun rises or sets and has absolutely no effect on my life at all, or yours.

    Choose not to be offended by everything and you’ll be happier.

  32. Bigger things to be thinking and worrying about, if it makes some people feel more included in society then why would it be an issue for anyone

  33. Really don’t care, if someone’s biggest problem in the world is that, there are a lot of people who’d like to switch places

  35. It reminds me of the use of “BCE” instead of “BC” for historians who get their knickers in a twist over the word Christ.

    A big deal to them, sure, but the vast majority of us have bigger things to worry about.

  36. I consider it to be rather silly. Clearly, only women can get pregnant. That’s just a biological fact. That said, I’m largely apathetic about these minor points of controversy.

  37. I assume people are offended because it might be seen as accommodating trans folk at the cost of women, but it’s a perfectly reasonable catch all term, women ARE people, you can use it for the poor underage girls up the pole and also the trans or non binary folk. Referring to Pregnant people in an article is much simpler than typing all that out

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