Thats a disgraceful amount to pay a highly skilled doctor. The minimum wage is going to be nearly £11.
It sounds like this article is saying that we shouldn’t include holiday allowance in the salary calculations? So, earn more per hour but all holiday is unpaid?
And that there’s overtime, and compensation for unsocial hours to be taken into consideration.
I can accept that it’s not all junior doctors earning £14.09/h but this article seems misleading too.
Base wage is still £14/hour. They make it sound like earning more because someone worked 60 hours or worked night shifts/weekends/bank holidays is some kind of privilage. Also find me a career in which hourly wgae is calculated in a different way.
The average fullfact is run by a Tory donor who gave more than £160k in a decade
>And it spreads their annual salary across every week of the year
Am I missing something, how else do you convert a salary into a hourly wage?
I got paid more then that 10 years ago doing night shifts in a warehouse with zero experience.
That is a pathetic amount of money for such a skilled job.
It’s not the rate it’s the hours you do. It’s even worse for some vets. They work even longer hours, have to be in surgery ,monitor/nurse patients in hospital following surgery and be ready to be called out during the night. 80 hours a week easy sometimes a lot more and weekends
So it is true unless they work extra. That’s like saying ‘no the milk man gets paid more than £2 per bottle of milk, he just has to deliver beer instead of milk’.
Why the fuck is this saying “gets paid more than £14 an hour” as though this is anywhere near acceptable? As far as I’m concerned, they should be on £50.
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The average paediatric surgeon is saving children on a daily basis. Literally generating future tax revenue every single day they go into work.
Junior means anyone south of consultant.
People performing life changing work every single day.
They must be paid appropriately.
I’m a sparky and I average close to 30-35/hour
How the fuck are doctors getting shafted this hard
This is a terrible brag. ‘Uh, fact check. Our doctors actually DO get paid more than people working at McDonalds’.
*slow claps*
Funny how the leftists vote down fact checkers when others disagree with them.
Very low considering this is a job that not anyone can do. I do also appreciate I have never met a poor older doctor in my life and they will earn a lot more later in life. However a lot of this is made of them doing private and locum work. Surely if we pay them better they would be more likely to spend more time working for NHS instead of cutting their hours back later to do private work.
Yes, with additional hours and antisocial working the average pay works out more.
HOWEVER things to take into consideration.
1. The average working week for a full time jr doc is 48 hours compared with 37.5 in other jobs.
2. There are lots of docs who go less than full time (so closer to what “ordinary jobs” work full time that really get screwed over by the low hourly pay. These are people with disabilities or who have caring commitments so can’t do out of hours work/ the full 48 hour week.
The decision to vote to strike and to take part was multifactorial. But for me it’s about the people in the second group I mentioned above and the medical students coming up to start work in August.
I have colleagues who are unable to afford to go less than full time so have to pay extortionate rates for childcare which costs more due to the sporadic nature of our role.
I’m particularly disappointed with the framing and the frank biases in reporting of all the strikes since last autumn.
We can afford to pay people properly actually we can’t afford not to anymore.
Emigrate, my doctor mate did that and more than quadrupled his salary. Intelligent people shouldn’t put up with nonsense for long.
Is that supposed to make me angry at the Junior Doctors? £14/h is fuck all for an incredibly demanding job that requires a 5 year degree course.
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Thats a disgraceful amount to pay a highly skilled doctor. The minimum wage is going to be nearly £11.
It sounds like this article is saying that we shouldn’t include holiday allowance in the salary calculations? So, earn more per hour but all holiday is unpaid?
And that there’s overtime, and compensation for unsocial hours to be taken into consideration.
I can accept that it’s not all junior doctors earning £14.09/h but this article seems misleading too.
Base wage is still £14/hour. They make it sound like earning more because someone worked 60 hours or worked night shifts/weekends/bank holidays is some kind of privilage. Also find me a career in which hourly wgae is calculated in a different way.
The average fullfact is run by a Tory donor who gave more than £160k in a decade
>And it spreads their annual salary across every week of the year
Am I missing something, how else do you convert a salary into a hourly wage?
I got paid more then that 10 years ago doing night shifts in a warehouse with zero experience.
That is a pathetic amount of money for such a skilled job.
It’s not the rate it’s the hours you do. It’s even worse for some vets. They work even longer hours, have to be in surgery ,monitor/nurse patients in hospital following surgery and be ready to be called out during the night. 80 hours a week easy sometimes a lot more and weekends
So it is true unless they work extra. That’s like saying ‘no the milk man gets paid more than £2 per bottle of milk, he just has to deliver beer instead of milk’.
Why the fuck is this saying “gets paid more than £14 an hour” as though this is anywhere near acceptable? As far as I’m concerned, they should be on £50.
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The average paediatric surgeon is saving children on a daily basis. Literally generating future tax revenue every single day they go into work.
Junior means anyone south of consultant.
People performing life changing work every single day.
They must be paid appropriately.
I’m a sparky and I average close to 30-35/hour
How the fuck are doctors getting shafted this hard
This is a terrible brag. ‘Uh, fact check. Our doctors actually DO get paid more than people working at McDonalds’.
*slow claps*
Funny how the leftists vote down fact checkers when others disagree with them.
Very low considering this is a job that not anyone can do. I do also appreciate I have never met a poor older doctor in my life and they will earn a lot more later in life. However a lot of this is made of them doing private and locum work. Surely if we pay them better they would be more likely to spend more time working for NHS instead of cutting their hours back later to do private work.
Yes, with additional hours and antisocial working the average pay works out more.
HOWEVER things to take into consideration.
1. The average working week for a full time jr doc is 48 hours compared with 37.5 in other jobs.
2. There are lots of docs who go less than full time (so closer to what “ordinary jobs” work full time that really get screwed over by the low hourly pay. These are people with disabilities or who have caring commitments so can’t do out of hours work/ the full 48 hour week.
The decision to vote to strike and to take part was multifactorial. But for me it’s about the people in the second group I mentioned above and the medical students coming up to start work in August.
I have colleagues who are unable to afford to go less than full time so have to pay extortionate rates for childcare which costs more due to the sporadic nature of our role.
I’m particularly disappointed with the framing and the frank biases in reporting of all the strikes since last autumn.
We can afford to pay people properly actually we can’t afford not to anymore.
Emigrate, my doctor mate did that and more than quadrupled his salary. Intelligent people shouldn’t put up with nonsense for long.
Is that supposed to make me angry at the Junior Doctors? £14/h is fuck all for an incredibly demanding job that requires a 5 year degree course.