Public services shouldn’t be for profit and transport should be no different.
bUt The LuAs Is FreE
Do people buy monthly tickets any more? I would have guessed the 2 euro fares put an end to them.
I’m also not sure if the person that wrote the article has ever got the bus. For example, the “single” fare is actually a 90 minute fare regardless of how many buses you get on
Posting this, even though I think it is more than a little misleading, but is interesting, and illustrates the difficulties of these sorts of comparisons.
That headline is based on the regular monthly ticket. But nobody should be buying the monthly ticket straight out, it’s priced for the tax saver scheme, whereby you should be getting roughly 20-50% off the headline cost.
That’s not to say that’s not a problem, making lower earners pay more for public transport is a weird policy choice, but it’s not the biggest issue at the moment IMV with the tax saver scheme. It’s that the Tax Saver scheme is aimed at regular commuters, and very quickly doesn’t make sense if you’re not doing 5 days a week, or multiple modes. Ideally, I’d take out the tax bit and halve the cost of the monthly ticket or so. Or bring in those flexible tickets that the NTA informs us are too complicated to do…
Further down there’s also the issue about single fares, but to take the 90 minute €2 fare in Dublin, and compare it to the other cities is rather unfair. For one thing, the Dublin area covered is much wider, the fares citied for the other cities in Ireland only really cover their urban areas. I would suggest (although I have’t read the full report this is based on) that you would see similar mismatches across the countries, 90 minute/”one trip/many modes” fares aren’t uncommon, but they aren’t universal either.
A lot of cities also use fare zones that can vary quite a bit. I’m surprised that the Cork Examiner, of all papers, hasn’t chosen to highlight the injustice that a Dub can travel all over for County Dublin for €2, while a Cork man could pay €3.10 to go from Ballincollig to Wilton (Nevermind Youghal to Goleen…). They also take the Cork Red Zone cost, which is more like Dublin within the M50 than the Dublin area served by the 155 ticket.
You also have issues around capping which isn’t discussed, but is a feature of many systems (internationally, functionally only Dublin here). And indeed reduced fares/free travel for certain groups.
Wait people get paid to ride the tram in other countries?
That’s it expensive for the service you get. I’m currently getting a 340chf monthy pass and can travel anywhere in Switzerland. It also no surprise I have a better network and frequency😏
You would be idiotic to pay €155 for a monthly pass if you live within reach of Dublin public transport. You get unlimited public transport use across modes for 90 minutes for €2. Even if you work in the office 5 days a week, that’s about €80 a month on commuting. You can literally do 2 journeys ever day of the month for about €120.
I’ve lived in a number of European cities and travel a lot, and current fares in Dublin are among the best value I’ve seen.
>In terms of single tickets, a Dublin fare of €2 is somewhere in the middle of the worldwide rankings, the 30th most expensive of 45 cities analysed
this seems a more pertinent stat to me. surely only a very small minority of people buy monthly tickets
A politicians spin: we are ranked extremely high globally in our public transportation services.
I feel like we can just use this headline as a template – “Irish X among the most expensive worldwide” – and you could replace X with anything and it would still be accurate…
Was in Edinburgh for the last week, public trams were unbelievable and cheap
The whole system needs restructuring.
Busses shouldn’t need to pass the suburbs….
I guess it’s a supply and demand issue. Lots of demand, no supply so higher prices LOL /s
Sure the luas is free lads, whaddyatalkinabeet?
Is there anything else we’re not one of the most expensive in the world for?
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No way
Public services shouldn’t be for profit and transport should be no different.
bUt The LuAs Is FreE
Do people buy monthly tickets any more? I would have guessed the 2 euro fares put an end to them.
I’m also not sure if the person that wrote the article has ever got the bus. For example, the “single” fare is actually a 90 minute fare regardless of how many buses you get on
Posting this, even though I think it is more than a little misleading, but is interesting, and illustrates the difficulties of these sorts of comparisons.
That headline is based on the regular monthly ticket. But nobody should be buying the monthly ticket straight out, it’s priced for the tax saver scheme, whereby you should be getting roughly 20-50% off the headline cost.
That’s not to say that’s not a problem, making lower earners pay more for public transport is a weird policy choice, but it’s not the biggest issue at the moment IMV with the tax saver scheme. It’s that the Tax Saver scheme is aimed at regular commuters, and very quickly doesn’t make sense if you’re not doing 5 days a week, or multiple modes. Ideally, I’d take out the tax bit and halve the cost of the monthly ticket or so. Or bring in those flexible tickets that the NTA informs us are too complicated to do…
Further down there’s also the issue about single fares, but to take the 90 minute €2 fare in Dublin, and compare it to the other cities is rather unfair. For one thing, the Dublin area covered is much wider, the fares citied for the other cities in Ireland only really cover their urban areas. I would suggest (although I have’t read the full report this is based on) that you would see similar mismatches across the countries, 90 minute/”one trip/many modes” fares aren’t uncommon, but they aren’t universal either.
A lot of cities also use fare zones that can vary quite a bit. I’m surprised that the Cork Examiner, of all papers, hasn’t chosen to highlight the injustice that a Dub can travel all over for County Dublin for €2, while a Cork man could pay €3.10 to go from Ballincollig to Wilton (Nevermind Youghal to Goleen…). They also take the Cork Red Zone cost, which is more like Dublin within the M50 than the Dublin area served by the 155 ticket.
You also have issues around capping which isn’t discussed, but is a feature of many systems (internationally, functionally only Dublin here). And indeed reduced fares/free travel for certain groups.
Wait people get paid to ride the tram in other countries?
That’s it expensive for the service you get. I’m currently getting a 340chf monthy pass and can travel anywhere in Switzerland. It also no surprise I have a better network and frequency😏
You would be idiotic to pay €155 for a monthly pass if you live within reach of Dublin public transport. You get unlimited public transport use across modes for 90 minutes for €2. Even if you work in the office 5 days a week, that’s about €80 a month on commuting. You can literally do 2 journeys ever day of the month for about €120.
I’ve lived in a number of European cities and travel a lot, and current fares in Dublin are among the best value I’ve seen.
>In terms of single tickets, a Dublin fare of €2 is somewhere in the middle of the worldwide rankings, the 30th most expensive of 45 cities analysed
this seems a more pertinent stat to me. surely only a very small minority of people buy monthly tickets
A politicians spin: we are ranked extremely high globally in our public transportation services.
I feel like we can just use this headline as a template – “Irish X among the most expensive worldwide” – and you could replace X with anything and it would still be accurate…
Was in Edinburgh for the last week, public trams were unbelievable and cheap
The whole system needs restructuring.
Busses shouldn’t need to pass the suburbs….
I guess it’s a supply and demand issue. Lots of demand, no supply so higher prices LOL /s
Sure the luas is free lads, whaddyatalkinabeet?
Is there anything else we’re not one of the most expensive in the world for?