We investigated ourselves and decided we did nothing wrong.
Concerning stuff. I would prefer it if the article could perhaps go into a bit more detail on a few things.
I.e. its alright saying that at end of the investigation no further action was taken, but why exactly? Is it cause the investigation found nothing? Cause the victim withdrew their testimony? Or cause it was subverted to find nothing? Who exactly dropped it?
Also curious where Alice’s husband worked if he was given a loaded gun and allowed to walk the streets with it. That sort of thing doesn’t happen very often in the UK.
From glancing at the article it would be easy to form the opinion that 9 out of 10 officers accused of domestic violence are not charged and no further action is taken.
>According to the new figures, where cases were completed, no further action was taken against police officers and staff accused of violence against women and girls in:
>more than nine in 10 complaints from the public
yet it goes on to say
>”Among the complaints from the public, 63% were accusations over use of force”
So the 9 out 10 officers accused are not charged stat not only includes complaints over use of force, but it is 63% of the statistic. Whilst 9% is overbearing or harrasing behaviour and 6% is sexual assault.
This is just blatantly misleading by the BBC.
Here’s a shocking idea, People who get arrested tend to not like the police and some of those people will make ficticous complaints about their arrest, usually around the use of force.
I’m not suggesting that every complaint over use of force is fictitious however it is a occupational hazzard of being a police officer. Any police officer with more than 2 years front line service will have had a complaint over use of force. The vast majority of which will be dropped as they are either completely fabricated or are the result of a lack of understanding of law.
Despite what the title implies the police do not make charging decisions on allegations of domestic violence. it goes to the CPS for a decision, if there is not sufficent evidence to charge then the CPS advise the police to take no further action. This is no diffirent if the suspect is a police officer or not.
It would be nice to see what the other 22% of allegations relate to as the article seems to miss that out.
It would also be great to see the home office outcome stats on the allegations made against police as that would provide a much fairer representation of the data.
Could probably stop at “Police drop most complaints”
It’s almost as if people that get arrested don’t like the police very much, and may say things that aren’t true to a) cause them problems or b) try and get off.
How utterly surprising!!!
The police are the biggest and most dangerous gang in the UK. The real level of corruption is much worse then the public are aware of. The Stephen Lawrence case is the real eye opener, cops in the pockets of racist gangsters is what kept all his killers being brought to justice.
That’s true, but the culture is still the same. Old courts teach young coppers everything they know. They also pass on their corruption.
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Probably no coincidence that this report was released just after the police federation of England and Wales announced they will push the government for a pay rise for police officers that counters inflation.
People in this country are not very intelligent for the most part. If they already have a dislike of the police this kind of report will be a delight to them: they won’t need to critically analyse it, won’t need to try and understand any other perspectives beyond that of the Guardian and the BBC as to why the rate of no further action is so high. It cements their dreary, unimaginative worldview that every copper is thick, useless, and morally corrupted. C’est la guerre
The Police treat women disgracefully. particularly the ones with drug problems.
The top two outcomes provided –
1. Victim does not support prosecution
2. Evidential difficulties
The first meaning the victim themselves have said they don’t wish to take further action. Making it next to IMPOSSIBLE to charge someone yet alone prosecute.
The second meaning there was not enough evidence available to achieve a charge. So in majority of cases, one word against the other with no supporting evidence. The police aren’t supernatural, they can’t magic up evidence.
I think the real problem is that the vast majority have absolutely zero idea how the criminal justice system works and just nod their heads when the media plaster these misleading bullshit headlines everywhere.
This should say “Police Officers unlikely to be charged in domestic abuse cases”
From that headline I thought that meant police use of force complaints involving women were being routinely dropped
Wait… people don’t like being arrested? Shocked, i’m shocked I tell you… well not that shocked
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We investigated ourselves and decided we did nothing wrong.
Concerning stuff. I would prefer it if the article could perhaps go into a bit more detail on a few things.
I.e. its alright saying that at end of the investigation no further action was taken, but why exactly? Is it cause the investigation found nothing? Cause the victim withdrew their testimony? Or cause it was subverted to find nothing? Who exactly dropped it?
Also curious where Alice’s husband worked if he was given a loaded gun and allowed to walk the streets with it. That sort of thing doesn’t happen very often in the UK.
From glancing at the article it would be easy to form the opinion that 9 out of 10 officers accused of domestic violence are not charged and no further action is taken.
>According to the new figures, where cases were completed, no further action was taken against police officers and staff accused of violence against women and girls in:
>more than nine in 10 complaints from the public
yet it goes on to say
>”Among the complaints from the public, 63% were accusations over use of force”
So the 9 out 10 officers accused are not charged stat not only includes complaints over use of force, but it is 63% of the statistic. Whilst 9% is overbearing or harrasing behaviour and 6% is sexual assault.
This is just blatantly misleading by the BBC.
Here’s a shocking idea, People who get arrested tend to not like the police and some of those people will make ficticous complaints about their arrest, usually around the use of force.
I’m not suggesting that every complaint over use of force is fictitious however it is a occupational hazzard of being a police officer. Any police officer with more than 2 years front line service will have had a complaint over use of force. The vast majority of which will be dropped as they are either completely fabricated or are the result of a lack of understanding of law.
Despite what the title implies the police do not make charging decisions on allegations of domestic violence. it goes to the CPS for a decision, if there is not sufficent evidence to charge then the CPS advise the police to take no further action. This is no diffirent if the suspect is a police officer or not.
It would be nice to see what the other 22% of allegations relate to as the article seems to miss that out.
It would also be great to see the home office outcome stats on the allegations made against police as that would provide a much fairer representation of the data.
Could probably stop at “Police drop most complaints”
It’s almost as if people that get arrested don’t like the police very much, and may say things that aren’t true to a) cause them problems or b) try and get off.
How utterly surprising!!!
The police are the biggest and most dangerous gang in the UK. The real level of corruption is much worse then the public are aware of. The Stephen Lawrence case is the real eye opener, cops in the pockets of racist gangsters is what kept all his killers being brought to justice.
That’s true, but the culture is still the same. Old courts teach young coppers everything they know. They also pass on their corruption.
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Probably no coincidence that this report was released just after the police federation of England and Wales announced they will push the government for a pay rise for police officers that counters inflation.
People in this country are not very intelligent for the most part. If they already have a dislike of the police this kind of report will be a delight to them: they won’t need to critically analyse it, won’t need to try and understand any other perspectives beyond that of the Guardian and the BBC as to why the rate of no further action is so high. It cements their dreary, unimaginative worldview that every copper is thick, useless, and morally corrupted. C’est la guerre
The Police treat women disgracefully. particularly the ones with drug problems.
The top two outcomes provided –
1. Victim does not support prosecution
2. Evidential difficulties
The first meaning the victim themselves have said they don’t wish to take further action. Making it next to IMPOSSIBLE to charge someone yet alone prosecute.
The second meaning there was not enough evidence available to achieve a charge. So in majority of cases, one word against the other with no supporting evidence. The police aren’t supernatural, they can’t magic up evidence.
I think the real problem is that the vast majority have absolutely zero idea how the criminal justice system works and just nod their heads when the media plaster these misleading bullshit headlines everywhere.
This should say “Police Officers unlikely to be charged in domestic abuse cases”
From that headline I thought that meant police use of force complaints involving women were being routinely dropped
Wait… people don’t like being arrested? Shocked, i’m shocked I tell you… well not that shocked