i dont understand it too. while it should be in early ages..
do you even need to ask? why wouldnt you?
Better this than none.
Women want to live their life, not pop babies. Make a career, travel the world, etc. No surprise there.
It feels like women can’t exist in peace without their entire existence being scrutinised.
Pregnancy after 40s exposes both the fetus and the mother to a higher risk of pretty much everything. That said giving birth before that stage in life is hard in the first world for a high number of reasons. We have to get used to it.
Takes a while to feel secure and stable enough to take on the responsibility of raising a child.
If we want more children and younger mothers, society would need to change in such a way to make woman feel supported enough to actually want to have them.
>”Young people want to have a little bit more time for education and a job as well as doing other things before they become parents. So it’s also that the process of becoming an adult has been extended, not only related to the socio-economic factor but also the whole lifestyle,” Andersson told Euronews Next.
I love how the main blame is “lifestyle” again. It’s certainly not prolonging education by many required and unpaid internships, terrible wages for junior positions and lots of overtime work as long as you are young, a steadily rising cost of life or the ruined housing market.
Or the simple fact there’s still discrimination against women of childbearing age, so it’s even harder to find a job or they get paid less and have to make it to their 40s until they can finally financially support having a child.
The financial situation, even for highly educated millennials, stabilizes mid-thirties to late 30s for the first time in their lives, of course having kids is not a priority or just not in the cards until that happend.
Want to have fun and do as they wish in their younger life, biology sets in and the clock starts ticking and they go on a hunt to secure a baby. Most of them dont have a family, but have a child on their own
this is what happens when both parents need a job to get by.
back when only dad worked families where way bigger.
my dad has 9 brothers and sisters and my mom 8.
none of my niece/nephews have more then 3 kids.
times have changed so we better adapt to it
Well, they are saying that more older women, than as teens are having babies. First child, often being the case for below 20. This is not very strange, since it is an indication of more planning and better control. Younger pregnancies are often an accident. While these older ones are a result of more planning, security and planning, often second or third child.
So the average is still hovering around 31-32 but rising. The number of over 40s has bump but the birth rate like in most places are dropping.
I find reports like this interesting but misleading
Because women start studying at university in their 20s and when they’re finally finished with their education they need to find a job to ensure economic security and wellness. Having a baby when you start studying in your 20s or when you’re fresh in the job market requires a lot of time, energy and money that most young people don’t have. The first step is also to find a partner that you feel you could have a nice future with who you move in toghether with. Only after that do people start thinking about having babies.
Individualism.
If you get a good, permanent position after graduating or finishing your education, you can have babies at 25, since you are basicly already set.
If you only get a temp contract, part time job, you move your plans back..and back…and back.
In Germany you get paid parental leave…on a permanent contract. On a temp contract you “should take the leave in the time you are basicly unemployed, so after the contract”
Especially in science, and often times in public service.. you get Premium members of society keeping their jobs, even if they aren’t coming in for a year, and the people who have to fill that year and then get kicked out again.
I though it wasn’t likely to have kids by that age. Like sure, you can but the probability for a successful pregnancy should not allow for this many cases.
It takes about that long to find a man to make a baby with who’s not still a baby himself.
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Probably due to pregnancy
They having a sladdis. Pretty normal.
everyone is doom and gloom about young parents, but our parents had us when they were 20/22 (we’re definitely mistakes 😊 lol) even though they were low income they still travelled a lot with us. if they wanted to go scuba diving in asia they would just dump us with our grandparents for a month lol.
by the time we started high school they were still early 30s. one parent returned to education to develop career and other became small business owner which they now both run together.
they became homeowners in their early 40s. bought small home in small village because they don’t need to consider living near schools and stuff.
and they raised us in the 90s when studying/ working from home was obviously not a thing.
“Many” is still just 0.5% of births, just to put it in perspective.
Something I rarely see being talked about in these discussions is that employers are not exactly enthusiastic about hiring women in their 30s without any work experience. So ‘have children first and go build your career’ is not as easy as it sounds. And that’s without even mentioning how difficult it is to find someone to get married with in your 20s…
Living next door, Finland. We’ve got the same issues with women having kids much later and the job discrimination.
Me, i decided that since I’ve got a partner, i wanted to build a life together with that right after getting my degree, that we’ll try for kids. I can build a career later as I’m not too bothered.
Is this even supposed to be a problem?
1. Because they can. Modern medicine enables women to postpone having children to later in life – some choose to do so.
2. Longer educations. These days the average person educates themself for about 16 years, as opposed to only around 10-11 a generation ago. Longer education means that it takes longer before women are established in the labor market and thus financially secure enough to have kids.
3. A terrible housing market. Getting a first hand contract for a rental apartment requires close to ten years in the housing que in many cities, and buying a place requires a 15% down payment amounting to tens of thousands of Euros which takes a couple of years to save up. You can usually get a roof over your head where you need it when you need it, but you’ll have to settle for either really expensive second hand contracts or short-term contracts meaning you have to move a few times a year. No person in their right mind gets a kid in those circumstances.
They are able to have children in their late 40s?
I’m 30 and I’ve only just started my PhD. I’ve been in a relationship for nearly 6 years but we don’t have a mortgage yet and we want to get married. The average house price in my country is €415,000. At what point am I supposed to be able to have a kid?
Many women spend their earnings on childcare when they return to work, and the father’s earnings are rarely enough to cover a family’s expenses (I realise I’m being heteronormative here). Society is making it too difficult for many women to have kids, especially under 30. I refuse to bring a child into a situation where money is stretched and we’re just getting by. I grew up like that and I’m not living that way as an adult
yikes, I can’t even imagine being in menopause with a kid in gradeschool
People should stop having kids for some time. There are too many people on this planet. Although I should be mentioning this on an Asian sub because Europe has gotten it together already.
Why are people not wasting their best time of life’s? Not getting my 20-30 back, health general better older age, and you have more vacation time after 40. Also the older I am having a child the more likely I can die and hopefully pass on wealth at more useful time for my children then them being 20 years from a old people’s home. I got one teenager I had when I was 19 and now I got a kid on the way being 38 but wouldn’t change anything. But people should hurry living their life’s and gathering experience. Children shouldn’t have children.
South Europe slowly dying of old age (cause finances don’t allow youth to have families)
West/Central Europe becoming mass migration grounds for non-Europeans with lower standards and more children
North Europe slowing becoming like the south
East Europe either has to deal with Russia or their own rotten system of corruption that makes their youth migrate as far as possible…
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i dont understand it too. while it should be in early ages..
do you even need to ask? why wouldnt you?
Better this than none.
Women want to live their life, not pop babies. Make a career, travel the world, etc. No surprise there.
It feels like women can’t exist in peace without their entire existence being scrutinised.
Pregnancy after 40s exposes both the fetus and the mother to a higher risk of pretty much everything. That said giving birth before that stage in life is hard in the first world for a high number of reasons. We have to get used to it.
Takes a while to feel secure and stable enough to take on the responsibility of raising a child.
If we want more children and younger mothers, society would need to change in such a way to make woman feel supported enough to actually want to have them.
>”Young people want to have a little bit more time for education and a job as well as doing other things before they become parents. So it’s also that the process of becoming an adult has been extended, not only related to the socio-economic factor but also the whole lifestyle,” Andersson told Euronews Next.
I love how the main blame is “lifestyle” again. It’s certainly not prolonging education by many required and unpaid internships, terrible wages for junior positions and lots of overtime work as long as you are young, a steadily rising cost of life or the ruined housing market.
Or the simple fact there’s still discrimination against women of childbearing age, so it’s even harder to find a job or they get paid less and have to make it to their 40s until they can finally financially support having a child.
The financial situation, even for highly educated millennials, stabilizes mid-thirties to late 30s for the first time in their lives, of course having kids is not a priority or just not in the cards until that happend.
Want to have fun and do as they wish in their younger life, biology sets in and the clock starts ticking and they go on a hunt to secure a baby. Most of them dont have a family, but have a child on their own
this is what happens when both parents need a job to get by.
back when only dad worked families where way bigger.
my dad has 9 brothers and sisters and my mom 8.
none of my niece/nephews have more then 3 kids.
times have changed so we better adapt to it
Well, they are saying that more older women, than as teens are having babies. First child, often being the case for below 20. This is not very strange, since it is an indication of more planning and better control. Younger pregnancies are often an accident. While these older ones are a result of more planning, security and planning, often second or third child.
So the average is still hovering around 31-32 but rising. The number of over 40s has bump but the birth rate like in most places are dropping.
I find reports like this interesting but misleading
Because women start studying at university in their 20s and when they’re finally finished with their education they need to find a job to ensure economic security and wellness. Having a baby when you start studying in your 20s or when you’re fresh in the job market requires a lot of time, energy and money that most young people don’t have. The first step is also to find a partner that you feel you could have a nice future with who you move in toghether with. Only after that do people start thinking about having babies.
Individualism.
If you get a good, permanent position after graduating or finishing your education, you can have babies at 25, since you are basicly already set.
If you only get a temp contract, part time job, you move your plans back..and back…and back.
In Germany you get paid parental leave…on a permanent contract. On a temp contract you “should take the leave in the time you are basicly unemployed, so after the contract”
Especially in science, and often times in public service.. you get Premium members of society keeping their jobs, even if they aren’t coming in for a year, and the people who have to fill that year and then get kicked out again.
I though it wasn’t likely to have kids by that age. Like sure, you can but the probability for a successful pregnancy should not allow for this many cases.
It takes about that long to find a man to make a baby with who’s not still a baby himself.
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Probably due to pregnancy
They having a sladdis. Pretty normal.
everyone is doom and gloom about young parents, but our parents had us when they were 20/22 (we’re definitely mistakes 😊 lol) even though they were low income they still travelled a lot with us. if they wanted to go scuba diving in asia they would just dump us with our grandparents for a month lol.
by the time we started high school they were still early 30s. one parent returned to education to develop career and other became small business owner which they now both run together.
they became homeowners in their early 40s. bought small home in small village because they don’t need to consider living near schools and stuff.
and they raised us in the 90s when studying/ working from home was obviously not a thing.
“Many” is still just 0.5% of births, just to put it in perspective.
Something I rarely see being talked about in these discussions is that employers are not exactly enthusiastic about hiring women in their 30s without any work experience. So ‘have children first and go build your career’ is not as easy as it sounds. And that’s without even mentioning how difficult it is to find someone to get married with in your 20s…
Living next door, Finland. We’ve got the same issues with women having kids much later and the job discrimination.
Me, i decided that since I’ve got a partner, i wanted to build a life together with that right after getting my degree, that we’ll try for kids. I can build a career later as I’m not too bothered.
Is this even supposed to be a problem?
1. Because they can. Modern medicine enables women to postpone having children to later in life – some choose to do so.
2. Longer educations. These days the average person educates themself for about 16 years, as opposed to only around 10-11 a generation ago. Longer education means that it takes longer before women are established in the labor market and thus financially secure enough to have kids.
3. A terrible housing market. Getting a first hand contract for a rental apartment requires close to ten years in the housing que in many cities, and buying a place requires a 15% down payment amounting to tens of thousands of Euros which takes a couple of years to save up. You can usually get a roof over your head where you need it when you need it, but you’ll have to settle for either really expensive second hand contracts or short-term contracts meaning you have to move a few times a year. No person in their right mind gets a kid in those circumstances.
They are able to have children in their late 40s?
I’m 30 and I’ve only just started my PhD. I’ve been in a relationship for nearly 6 years but we don’t have a mortgage yet and we want to get married. The average house price in my country is €415,000. At what point am I supposed to be able to have a kid?
Many women spend their earnings on childcare when they return to work, and the father’s earnings are rarely enough to cover a family’s expenses (I realise I’m being heteronormative here). Society is making it too difficult for many women to have kids, especially under 30. I refuse to bring a child into a situation where money is stretched and we’re just getting by. I grew up like that and I’m not living that way as an adult
yikes, I can’t even imagine being in menopause with a kid in gradeschool
People should stop having kids for some time. There are too many people on this planet. Although I should be mentioning this on an Asian sub because Europe has gotten it together already.
Why are people not wasting their best time of life’s? Not getting my 20-30 back, health general better older age, and you have more vacation time after 40. Also the older I am having a child the more likely I can die and hopefully pass on wealth at more useful time for my children then them being 20 years from a old people’s home. I got one teenager I had when I was 19 and now I got a kid on the way being 38 but wouldn’t change anything. But people should hurry living their life’s and gathering experience. Children shouldn’t have children.
South Europe slowly dying of old age (cause finances don’t allow youth to have families)
West/Central Europe becoming mass migration grounds for non-Europeans with lower standards and more children
North Europe slowing becoming like the south
East Europe either has to deal with Russia or their own rotten system of corruption that makes their youth migrate as far as possible…
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Off to a great next 100 years we go…./s