Ignoring whether or not the scheme is good or bad the real question is why is Westminister again trying to overrule devolution this time on something even more tenuous than their last.
With precedent now set; expect to see Westminster effectively interfering on every policy that isnt Tory from now on in Scotland.
Devolution might as well be considered dead at this point.
So we’ve found one facet of the 1970s that the Tory’s don’t want to bring back?
its almost as if they have no actual policies other than winding up boomers with their culture wars and opposing Scotland
This is such a stupid thing to create tension over. Bottle deposit schemes work, they do it in Germany it increases recycling, decreases littering and also allows society’s poorest to earn a little bit of money tidying litter in return for the deposits. The fact Westminster are misrepresenting the facts saying that it will make drinks more expensive is just a flat out lie.
Why, what have they to win doing this?
If it works, it’s a great trial example and the government can say, they allowed it to go through.
If it doesn’t work, they can say the Scottish government cocked up.
I see a lot of comments from people unaware, possibly who don’t live in Scotland, that the preparation up until now for this scheme has been a total car-crash of epic proportions
So it’s OK to introduce a sugar tax and increase prices as that gives money to fund the politicians lifestyle but we can’t introduce a deposit scheme as it could cause an increase in prices because people are too lazy to return items.
So I’m wondering which Tory backer stands to lose out if the recycling plan goes ahead.
Not that I’m cynical or anything.
This says a lot more about the quality of the civil service in Scotland and thier ministerial direction:
Just 6 months before this deposit scheme was to start the Internal Markets exemption had not been applied for (despite the lead minister claiming so in Holyrood).
It is daft that no where in the UK has a deposit scheme despite them being obviously good ideas – yet that doesn’t excuse incompetent administration.
Also worth remembering than all three candidates to be SNP leader have said this scheme is flawed and should be delayed and reworked.
I am sure this government is out to screw over the UK as much as possible. Couldn’t run a raffle
There’s plastic bottle recycling all over the world. It’s not that difficult. Aldi and Lidl already do it Germany.
With this scheme, do you need to provide proof of purchase or can any bottle be returned anywhere, and can retailers claim back additional expenses from the government?
I’m just wondering how it would work if, for example, Retailer A sold a bunch of water bottles at a higher price and therefore more revenue, but someone took those same bottles back to Retailer B? In small amounts it’s insignificant and it would probably balance out generally but I just wondered if there’s anything to make sure certain retailers (more likely smaller businesses) don’t lose out. (I.e people might get their weekly shop delivered from Tesco but if they can’t drive they then return the bottles to a local retailer who has to pay the customer for something that was bought elsewhere.)
Maybe these things are tracked and excess revenue is collected by the government and held in a pool in case other retailers need to make a claim?
Since when did the Tories care about internal markets?
> It is a key part of the Scottish National party’s environmental platform, but most experts believe that to work properly it needs an exemption from UK-wide rules that prevent different regulations applying to the same product in England and Scotland.
That’s the reason.
>Jack has criticised the scheme as badly designed and inflationary, telling the Commons recently that it would be bad for businesses and consumers. …
Environmental campaigners say the scheme is vital for reducing litter as well as CO2 emissions. But business leaders say it will add huge costs to their products, not only through the extra price of a bottle, but also with the associated production and administration costs.
Jack told the Commons recently that under the scheme the price of a 12-pack of Scottish water sold at Aldi would rise from £1.59 to £3.99.
A very strange argument against something that is commonplace is many countries.
Not sure how this scheme will work but it appears to rely on knowing if the bottle is sold in Scotland, putting the requirement to specialise and distinguish on the manufacturer, rather than if the bottle was purchased in Scotland, putting the onus on shopkeepers.
If Scotland required packaging to include a qr or barcode that was scanned at purchase and checked on return, then the scheme could operate without different labels inside the UK and the UK government would not need to grant an internal market exemption.
Has the SNP designed the scheme to be deliberately confrontational with the UK government?
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Ignoring whether or not the scheme is good or bad the real question is why is Westminister again trying to overrule devolution this time on something even more tenuous than their last.
With precedent now set; expect to see Westminster effectively interfering on every policy that isnt Tory from now on in Scotland.
Devolution might as well be considered dead at this point.
So we’ve found one facet of the 1970s that the Tory’s don’t want to bring back?
its almost as if they have no actual policies other than winding up boomers with their culture wars and opposing Scotland
This is such a stupid thing to create tension over. Bottle deposit schemes work, they do it in Germany it increases recycling, decreases littering and also allows society’s poorest to earn a little bit of money tidying litter in return for the deposits. The fact Westminster are misrepresenting the facts saying that it will make drinks more expensive is just a flat out lie.
Why, what have they to win doing this?
If it works, it’s a great trial example and the government can say, they allowed it to go through.
If it doesn’t work, they can say the Scottish government cocked up.
I see a lot of comments from people unaware, possibly who don’t live in Scotland, that the preparation up until now for this scheme has been a total car-crash of epic proportions
So it’s OK to introduce a sugar tax and increase prices as that gives money to fund the politicians lifestyle but we can’t introduce a deposit scheme as it could cause an increase in prices because people are too lazy to return items.
So I’m wondering which Tory backer stands to lose out if the recycling plan goes ahead.
Not that I’m cynical or anything.
This says a lot more about the quality of the civil service in Scotland and thier ministerial direction:
Just 6 months before this deposit scheme was to start the Internal Markets exemption had not been applied for (despite the lead minister claiming so in Holyrood).
It is daft that no where in the UK has a deposit scheme despite them being obviously good ideas – yet that doesn’t excuse incompetent administration.
Also worth remembering than all three candidates to be SNP leader have said this scheme is flawed and should be delayed and reworked.
I am sure this government is out to screw over the UK as much as possible. Couldn’t run a raffle
There’s plastic bottle recycling all over the world. It’s not that difficult. Aldi and Lidl already do it Germany.
With this scheme, do you need to provide proof of purchase or can any bottle be returned anywhere, and can retailers claim back additional expenses from the government?
I’m just wondering how it would work if, for example, Retailer A sold a bunch of water bottles at a higher price and therefore more revenue, but someone took those same bottles back to Retailer B? In small amounts it’s insignificant and it would probably balance out generally but I just wondered if there’s anything to make sure certain retailers (more likely smaller businesses) don’t lose out. (I.e people might get their weekly shop delivered from Tesco but if they can’t drive they then return the bottles to a local retailer who has to pay the customer for something that was bought elsewhere.)
Maybe these things are tracked and excess revenue is collected by the government and held in a pool in case other retailers need to make a claim?
Since when did the Tories care about internal markets?
> It is a key part of the Scottish National party’s environmental platform, but most experts believe that to work properly it needs an exemption from UK-wide rules that prevent different regulations applying to the same product in England and Scotland.
That’s the reason.
>Jack has criticised the scheme as badly designed and inflationary, telling the Commons recently that it would be bad for businesses and consumers. …
Environmental campaigners say the scheme is vital for reducing litter as well as CO2 emissions. But business leaders say it will add huge costs to their products, not only through the extra price of a bottle, but also with the associated production and administration costs.
Jack told the Commons recently that under the scheme the price of a 12-pack of Scottish water sold at Aldi would rise from £1.59 to £3.99.
A very strange argument against something that is commonplace is many countries.
Not sure how this scheme will work but it appears to rely on knowing if the bottle is sold in Scotland, putting the requirement to specialise and distinguish on the manufacturer, rather than if the bottle was purchased in Scotland, putting the onus on shopkeepers.
If Scotland required packaging to include a qr or barcode that was scanned at purchase and checked on return, then the scheme could operate without different labels inside the UK and the UK government would not need to grant an internal market exemption.
Has the SNP designed the scheme to be deliberately confrontational with the UK government?