Paris percent is wrong as the employer has to reimburse at least 50% of it. We could consider this should be added to the salary of the employee, but it is somehow deducible from taxes so it is a bit more complicated.
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Overall, it might also be true in other cities.
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Anyway, average net wages is a shit metric. Doesn’t matter much.
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Oh and a single ticket in London is not so often 5.19…. Not everybody go to heathrow from central London everyday…
Zone 1-9 travelcard is £407pm for public transport.
£27.50 a day if you drive a car into central London. £115 for a heavy goods vehicle.
And our Mayor says TFL is strapped for cash.
30€ ticket in Berlin is not permanent, it’s not the normal price
and lol @ using the average. a normal person doesn’t make 4600€ a month before taxes in Berlin, that’s exactly why you don’t use average wages for anything. purely inflated numbers by a few people making a shitload of money
vienna has a 365€ ticket which is the year round ticket, we also have a ticket which costs 3 times as much but lets you travel arround all of austria
pretty nifty if you live in another state
Average net salary of Berlin is 3,100 USD? It is slight higher than Germany average.
According to national accounts of destatis, average gross wage in Germany is 3,338 EUR per employee, and net wage is 2,254 EUR per employee in 2022 (table 1.8). There are 41,65 million employees in Germany (table 2.6)
National Accounts – Domestic Product – First annual results – Fachserie 18 Reihe 1.1 – 2022 File name:National Accounts – Domestic Product – First annual results – Fachserie 18 Reihe 1.1 – 2022
Note that in Tallinn it is only free of charge for residents of the municipality of Tallinn town. If you are registered across the municipal border in one of the suburbs, you have to pay for a 30 euro (32.52 US dollars) monthly pass.
Say what you want about Dublin but at least the Luas is free.
The Netherlands probably would’ve been the highest had it been on the list. A 20 kilometer bus ride is over 5 euro. I know people spending upwards of €600 per month on public transit.
I think data should at least be normalised by the average usage and the total length in kms. Even better would be factoring in quality (which is not just punctuality, but also e.g. average life of vehicles) but that’s much harder to do objectively.
E.g. longer routes that run across different municipalities, or systems with different transportation modes, will have different costs. In the case of London vs. Tallinn, the latter has a total of 18 km of trams and the rest is all buses, whereas London has buses, subways, trams, regional and long distance trains etc. You can’t just compare the two systems like that.
Public transport in Tallinn is also slow, line-network is from the soviet times and way too bus centric. And then those buses get stuck in traffic. Trams are slow here, the network is poor; trolleybusses are decent but get stuck in traffic too. The main positive is train service, but that is only for one side of the town.
and even then Londoners don’t realise how good they have it vs the rest of the UK with regards to public transport.
Oh yeah Brazil number one, five times world champion, go Brazil 🇧🇷!
This is interesting but how satisfied are the citizens in each country and how developed the public transportation is?
Monthly pass…. for what?
In Budapest, I can get a pass that gives me unlimited travel anywhere in BKV territory, even on non-BKV company vehicles and routes.
Outside of that, I can only get a pass for a specific route between two stations, the price of which varies by distance.
Using the average full time salary, it looks like it’s about 1% for Oslo. However, many are part time, and some are unemployed.
The median income seems to be a bit more than half of the full time average salary, which would mean it’s 2% of the median.
This is also gross income, not net income, so It probably closer to 3%.
By season pass
Bolsonaro (lets see if Lula changes this?)
Erdogan (maybe the opposition wins and changes this?)
Sunak (heritage of Bro Johnson, no changes in sights except for the millions of people who are on the streets protesting)
Neoliberal elites usually sacrifices the public transport ticket price over tax relief.
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Paris percent is wrong as the employer has to reimburse at least 50% of it. We could consider this should be added to the salary of the employee, but it is somehow deducible from taxes so it is a bit more complicated.
​
Overall, it might also be true in other cities.
​
Anyway, average net wages is a shit metric. Doesn’t matter much.
​
Oh and a single ticket in London is not so often 5.19…. Not everybody go to heathrow from central London everyday…
Zone 1-9 travelcard is £407pm for public transport.
£27.50 a day if you drive a car into central London. £115 for a heavy goods vehicle.
And our Mayor says TFL is strapped for cash.
30€ ticket in Berlin is not permanent, it’s not the normal price
and lol @ using the average. a normal person doesn’t make 4600€ a month before taxes in Berlin, that’s exactly why you don’t use average wages for anything. purely inflated numbers by a few people making a shitload of money
vienna has a 365€ ticket which is the year round ticket, we also have a ticket which costs 3 times as much but lets you travel arround all of austria
pretty nifty if you live in another state
Average net salary of Berlin is 3,100 USD? It is slight higher than Germany average.
According to national accounts of destatis, average gross wage in Germany is 3,338 EUR per employee, and net wage is 2,254 EUR per employee in 2022 (table 1.8). There are 41,65 million employees in Germany (table 2.6)
[https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Economy/National-Accounts-Domestic-Product/_node.html#_ht91eo0i2](https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Economy/National-Accounts-Domestic-Product/_node.html#_ht91eo0i2)
National Accounts – Domestic Product – First annual results – Fachserie 18 Reihe 1.1 – 2022 File name:National Accounts – Domestic Product – First annual results – Fachserie 18 Reihe 1.1 – 2022
Note that in Tallinn it is only free of charge for residents of the municipality of Tallinn town. If you are registered across the municipal border in one of the suburbs, you have to pay for a 30 euro (32.52 US dollars) monthly pass.
Say what you want about Dublin but at least the Luas is free.
The Netherlands probably would’ve been the highest had it been on the list. A 20 kilometer bus ride is over 5 euro. I know people spending upwards of €600 per month on public transit.
I think data should at least be normalised by the average usage and the total length in kms. Even better would be factoring in quality (which is not just punctuality, but also e.g. average life of vehicles) but that’s much harder to do objectively.
E.g. longer routes that run across different municipalities, or systems with different transportation modes, will have different costs. In the case of London vs. Tallinn, the latter has a total of 18 km of trams and the rest is all buses, whereas London has buses, subways, trams, regional and long distance trains etc. You can’t just compare the two systems like that.
Public transport in Tallinn is also slow, line-network is from the soviet times and way too bus centric. And then those buses get stuck in traffic. Trams are slow here, the network is poor; trolleybusses are decent but get stuck in traffic too. The main positive is train service, but that is only for one side of the town.
and even then Londoners don’t realise how good they have it vs the rest of the UK with regards to public transport.
Oh yeah Brazil number one, five times world champion, go Brazil 🇧🇷!
This is interesting but how satisfied are the citizens in each country and how developed the public transportation is?
Monthly pass…. for what?
In Budapest, I can get a pass that gives me unlimited travel anywhere in BKV territory, even on non-BKV company vehicles and routes.
Outside of that, I can only get a pass for a specific route between two stations, the price of which varies by distance.
Using the average full time salary, it looks like it’s about 1% for Oslo. However, many are part time, and some are unemployed.
The median income seems to be a bit more than half of the full time average salary, which would mean it’s 2% of the median.
This is also gross income, not net income, so It probably closer to 3%.
By season pass
Bolsonaro (lets see if Lula changes this?)
Erdogan (maybe the opposition wins and changes this?)
Sunak (heritage of Bro Johnson, no changes in sights except for the millions of people who are on the streets protesting)
Neoliberal elites usually sacrifices the public transport ticket price over tax relief.
What do you think?
Netherlands 👀
Public transport in UK sucks