Not surprised, I mean we are an island and have shit rail connections
I think it’s a bit hypocritical to attack private jet travel then go on a load of flights yourself without very good reasons.
I feel I’ve got people ordering me to pay to cut CO2 emissions, but then they go on their own long-haul flights just to see some other part of the world. It’s all very well attacking the worst .01% in the world, but what if the person doing the attack is in the 5% them self?
I bet if a person goes on a few flights a year they’ll be well up the league of CO2 producers. I know people who went on demos and then when finished with the climate change demo went off on an airline trip.
UK is a little tax haven for the rich. Too bad we treat ordinary people like cash cows.
Private jets are abhorrant, especially when you think all the fuel is untaxed.
However I’m not sure I trust this data. France and Germany have more private aircraft movements per year, and Germany has a far larger registry of private aircraft.
The fact that the people that own the planet and it’s economy continue to pollute with their private jets, Bugattis and relentless profiteering from environmental degradation should be a red flag.
Playing Devil’s Advocate slightly, and in fact probably not even that, just dealing with facts –
How bad is this really in the grand scheme of things? Of *course* private jet travel is “less efficient than a train” because there’s often hundreds of people on one train.
I’m not exactly the type to defend private jet travel or the super-rich, but from a science and engineering viewpoint (which I will defend) is a small jet really *that* bad?
I also get nervous about Greenpeace, as a staunch environmentalist myelf, because they have a track record of spreading misinformation for reasons I’m not fully clear on, but it certainly isn’t to help with climate change. For example, I’m having a hard time believing a private jet made a trip you could cycle in 30 minutes, in fact I’d bet money that isn’t even possible. It was surely a small light aircraft they’re throwing in to make the story look worse than it is, which really worries me.
While we should be clamping down on private jet travel, I’ve more concern about our over reliance on gas, our lack of investment in nuclear, and further afield Germany mining up half the country for filthy lignite because they over-relied on Russian gas (an error we’ve been paying for), the fact we send most of our recycled plastic to the far East where it is often dumped in the ocean, and so on.
How else are celebrities and politicians supposed to get to climate change seminars?
Before people get too upset about this, remember that the entire aviation industry (including all commercial planes) accounts for c. 2% of global greenhouse gas emotions. It’s important to keep things in perspective and we definitely have bigger fish to fry than private aviation…
Whenever this topic comes up you’d think it accounts for 50% by how outraged people get.
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In case anyone is wondering. The rich actually do cause more damage than the average person. Excellent report from Oxfam near the end of last year on this.
“The world’s richest people emit huge and unsustainable amounts of carbon and, unlike ordinary people, 50% to 70% of their emissions result from their investments. ”
>A flight between Blackbushe and Farnborough in Hampshire – which is just 4.6 miles (7.4km) – topped the charts for the most carbon-intensive route in 2021 and 2022.
I’m kinda guessing that flying was the easiest way to move the jet between airports rather than a “going somewhere” flight. I mean you can’t just attach it to your push bike and tow it down the road even if it is just a few miles.
Maybe that’s because UK has more wealthier people and connections than Europe?
And the amount of dodgy Russians we harbour, it’s hardly a suprise
There was a post yesterday or day before, maybe from a UK user, somewhere on reddit [if anyone can find the post], they experienced a private flight not too long ago, from parking the car to seating in the jet was super fast, and hardly any checks. Something so fast, ease of use and no fuss is going to impossible for anyone to give up.
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Not surprised, I mean we are an island and have shit rail connections
I think it’s a bit hypocritical to attack private jet travel then go on a load of flights yourself without very good reasons.
I feel I’ve got people ordering me to pay to cut CO2 emissions, but then they go on their own long-haul flights just to see some other part of the world. It’s all very well attacking the worst .01% in the world, but what if the person doing the attack is in the 5% them self?
I bet if a person goes on a few flights a year they’ll be well up the league of CO2 producers. I know people who went on demos and then when finished with the climate change demo went off on an airline trip.
UK is a little tax haven for the rich. Too bad we treat ordinary people like cash cows.
Private jets are abhorrant, especially when you think all the fuel is untaxed.
However I’m not sure I trust this data. France and Germany have more private aircraft movements per year, and Germany has a far larger registry of private aircraft.
The fact that the people that own the planet and it’s economy continue to pollute with their private jets, Bugattis and relentless profiteering from environmental degradation should be a red flag.
Playing Devil’s Advocate slightly, and in fact probably not even that, just dealing with facts –
How bad is this really in the grand scheme of things? Of *course* private jet travel is “less efficient than a train” because there’s often hundreds of people on one train.
I’m not exactly the type to defend private jet travel or the super-rich, but from a science and engineering viewpoint (which I will defend) is a small jet really *that* bad?
I also get nervous about Greenpeace, as a staunch environmentalist myelf, because they have a track record of spreading misinformation for reasons I’m not fully clear on, but it certainly isn’t to help with climate change. For example, I’m having a hard time believing a private jet made a trip you could cycle in 30 minutes, in fact I’d bet money that isn’t even possible. It was surely a small light aircraft they’re throwing in to make the story look worse than it is, which really worries me.
While we should be clamping down on private jet travel, I’ve more concern about our over reliance on gas, our lack of investment in nuclear, and further afield Germany mining up half the country for filthy lignite because they over-relied on Russian gas (an error we’ve been paying for), the fact we send most of our recycled plastic to the far East where it is often dumped in the ocean, and so on.
How else are celebrities and politicians supposed to get to climate change seminars?
Before people get too upset about this, remember that the entire aviation industry (including all commercial planes) accounts for c. 2% of global greenhouse gas emotions. It’s important to keep things in perspective and we definitely have bigger fish to fry than private aviation…
Whenever this topic comes up you’d think it accounts for 50% by how outraged people get.
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In case anyone is wondering. The rich actually do cause more damage than the average person. Excellent report from Oxfam near the end of last year on this.
“The world’s richest people emit huge and unsustainable amounts of carbon and, unlike ordinary people, 50% to 70% of their emissions result from their investments. ”
https://policy-practice.oxfam.org/resources/carbon-billionaires-the-investment-emissions-of-the-worlds-richest-people-621446/
>A flight between Blackbushe and Farnborough in Hampshire – which is just 4.6 miles (7.4km) – topped the charts for the most carbon-intensive route in 2021 and 2022.
I’m kinda guessing that flying was the easiest way to move the jet between airports rather than a “going somewhere” flight. I mean you can’t just attach it to your push bike and tow it down the road even if it is just a few miles.
Maybe that’s because UK has more wealthier people and connections than Europe?
And the amount of dodgy Russians we harbour, it’s hardly a suprise
There was a post yesterday or day before, maybe from a UK user, somewhere on reddit [if anyone can find the post], they experienced a private flight not too long ago, from parking the car to seating in the jet was super fast, and hardly any checks. Something so fast, ease of use and no fuss is going to impossible for anyone to give up.