This is quite a problem for all the Civil Service I believe. They can do some juggling but most roles are, unlike the private sector, very much constrained by pay grades.
Most suitable candidates will laugh and reject it, but a cunning tactician will take the job for one year and then hop to a high-paying private sector leadership role.
Or, they might steal the information they can and sell it elsewhere on the private market. A bit like our MPs.
A friend I knew at University spent 20odd years in cyber security for the MoD, but decamped for the finance sector when he realised what the constraints at the top were, and is raking it in. He got a gong from the MoD, but an enviable lifestyle from the private sector
I think this might be a common issue in public sector. When the NHS was hacked a while back I remember my mate telling me how much they pay their I.T and cyber security staff. So far below the market average he wasn’t surprised the folk did a half arsed job or weren’t totally capable of fulfilling all the duties the role requires. If I remember right a lot of NHS computers were still using windows XP at the time and this was after Microsoft had pulled out all support and security for that OS.
“Feigning surprise at being hacked while running XP at that time is like leaving your front door open and being surprised your telly is gone when you get home.”
Wouldn’t the treasury have GCHQ dealing with that and this position more a link? Or not
They have a “Higher” software developer ad up on the NI Civil Service right now which is a senior position for basically mid-level pay. and the NI Civil Service recruitment process is long and drawn out as f++k and none of the interview questions are ever about actual software development (I used to work there).
They’re a joke and it’s not even worth it for the security and the pension anymore. Not to the tune of 10-15 grand pay cut it’s not.
Now if they had it as G7 or G6, that would be indeed bad.
That has to be a mistake. Either that or those 31 applicants are absolutely fucking useless.
This is unfortunately why lots of this type government work is outsourced to big IT companies because they’ll pay 250k a year for a consultant.
I think my mate Dimitri is interested in this role, he’s so eager to learn as much as possible and doesn’t view the low salary as an object.
I’d probably ‘fail’ the security check for the bad words I’ve used about Johnson.
£250k and you might get some actual decent candidates. 50k lol. Perhaps a fresh out of uni graduate or a foreign spy.
And yet ex-chancellors (thank fuck he’s ex) offer themselves to foreign entities for £10,000 a DAY!
Though, for this you would get access to the deeply CORRUPT ear of Johnson, admittedly……..
This is insane. We’re located not too far from treasury in London, and we offer more for our most junior entry-level analysts. The war for talent in cyber in particular is crazy right now.
Bloody clown car of a government we’ve got 🤡
In the USA, you’ll be looking at 120k easily. You could probably argue for all kinds of incentives, too.
what happened to those gender and ethnicity advisors in companies? They were advertising these silly jobs at about 50/60/70k lol
Why pay £50k for a year’s cyber security expertise when they could have 5 days of Matt Hancock’s time instead?
Is it any wonder that the Treasury are absolutely terrible when it comes to national investment when their pay is so laughably shit?
Even in their own parlance, a benefit-to-cost ratio of 1.1 is “poor” when that’s basically a 10% return.
Either pay better salaries to attract people who have A Clue, or just abolish HM Treasury.
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This is quite a problem for all the Civil Service I believe. They can do some juggling but most roles are, unlike the private sector, very much constrained by pay grades.
Most suitable candidates will laugh and reject it, but a cunning tactician will take the job for one year and then hop to a high-paying private sector leadership role.
Or, they might steal the information they can and sell it elsewhere on the private market. A bit like our MPs.
A friend I knew at University spent 20odd years in cyber security for the MoD, but decamped for the finance sector when he realised what the constraints at the top were, and is raking it in. He got a gong from the MoD, but an enviable lifestyle from the private sector
I think this might be a common issue in public sector. When the NHS was hacked a while back I remember my mate telling me how much they pay their I.T and cyber security staff. So far below the market average he wasn’t surprised the folk did a half arsed job or weren’t totally capable of fulfilling all the duties the role requires. If I remember right a lot of NHS computers were still using windows XP at the time and this was after Microsoft had pulled out all support and security for that OS.
“Feigning surprise at being hacked while running XP at that time is like leaving your front door open and being surprised your telly is gone when you get home.”
Wouldn’t the treasury have GCHQ dealing with that and this position more a link? Or not
They have a “Higher” software developer ad up on the NI Civil Service right now which is a senior position for basically mid-level pay. and the NI Civil Service recruitment process is long and drawn out as f++k and none of the interview questions are ever about actual software development (I used to work there).
They’re a joke and it’s not even worth it for the security and the pension anymore. Not to the tune of 10-15 grand pay cut it’s not.
This is probably just an error, I’m in a senior tech role in a government department and earn way over that. The role would be SCS grade (at least) https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/senior-civil-service-pay-award-202223-practitioner-guidance/senior-civil-service-pay-award-202223-practitioner-guidance and that’s before some of the uplifts they apply to Tech (DDaT) roles.
Now if they had it as G7 or G6, that would be indeed bad.
That has to be a mistake. Either that or those 31 applicants are absolutely fucking useless.
This is unfortunately why lots of this type government work is outsourced to big IT companies because they’ll pay 250k a year for a consultant.
I think my mate Dimitri is interested in this role, he’s so eager to learn as much as possible and doesn’t view the low salary as an object.
I’d probably ‘fail’ the security check for the bad words I’ve used about Johnson.
£250k and you might get some actual decent candidates. 50k lol. Perhaps a fresh out of uni graduate or a foreign spy.
And yet ex-chancellors (thank fuck he’s ex) offer themselves to foreign entities for £10,000 a DAY!
Though, for this you would get access to the deeply CORRUPT ear of Johnson, admittedly……..
This is insane. We’re located not too far from treasury in London, and we offer more for our most junior entry-level analysts. The war for talent in cyber in particular is crazy right now.
Bloody clown car of a government we’ve got 🤡
In the USA, you’ll be looking at 120k easily. You could probably argue for all kinds of incentives, too.
what happened to those gender and ethnicity advisors in companies? They were advertising these silly jobs at about 50/60/70k lol
Why pay £50k for a year’s cyber security expertise when they could have 5 days of Matt Hancock’s time instead?
Is it any wonder that the Treasury are absolutely terrible when it comes to national investment when their pay is so laughably shit?
Even in their own parlance, a benefit-to-cost ratio of 1.1 is “poor” when that’s basically a 10% return.
Either pay better salaries to attract people who have A Clue, or just abolish HM Treasury.