Kier would have loved this, not that they’ll be absolutely fine without him, but still.
No wonder the police can’t recruit and are loosing people constantly.
Nice precedent to set, don’t protect yourself from a guy trying to run you over with a 2 tonne car.
The armed police should all hand in their firearms, there’s no protection from in the moment actions by people looking at it from the comfort of their offices.
This was always going to happen. The IOPC don’t want the headlines ‘Police Watchdog find no wrongdoing in shooting of unarmed black man’, so they’ll make the CPS take the headlines instead.
They do this all the time in high interest cases, just for them to be shot down by CPS or judges at court
High profile case with the offence being murder… was always going to happen.
Statement from the IOPC.
Seems to confirm he was driving the vehicle at the time he was shot.
Talk about a loaded article. They state he was shot through a windscreen but neglect to mention that the car was heading right for police officers. Instead they go for “unarmed black man”.
No wonder officers are leaving in record numbers and recruitment is through the floor – they’re vilified for doing their job. As firearms officers, their jobs are over the second they pull the trigger.
How dare they defend themselves from a guy trying to run them over! /s
“The police watchdog has referred the case of an unarmed black man shot dead by an officer to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).”
BBC reporting on this is so inflammatory and ridiculous. He was driving at them after they’d tried to get him to stop.
Pretty meaningless update really. The IOPC was never going to stick their neck out and say it was a justified shoot given they have the option of leaving it to the CPS to deal with.
The fact the family shut up almost completely once they were shown the video, tells me how this is going to go.
Amazing to see, after so much discussion on this case, that there is still a huge amount of misunderstanding about what we actually know happened.
We do know he was the subject of a police case and “controlled stop”, where police vehicles tried to block him in.
We do not know if Chris Kaba actually presented an immediate danger to the life of the officers or anyone else at the time of shooting. Certainly, there’s no evidence *yet* that there was any more danger than in any other controlled stop, hundreds of which take place up and down the country.
The issue is whether the shooting was necessary to save lives, and there’s been absolutely no evidence that this was the case. That’s part of the reason that there has been such an involved investigation here.
“The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan said; “Chris had his whole life ahead of him and his death has had a huge impact on Londoners,……………..,with anger, pain and fear felt across communities”
It is a tragedy all around; but the impact cited above sounds like the one his life reportedly had on a lot of people in London, before this and now after.
Do people want guns, knives, grooming of children and all of that? some like this guy reportedly did; but most, I doubt it. At a time when children are reportedly going without meals and services are stretched; the resources going into taking ambulances off the road for others etc. What I am saying is that the resources could be used for more positive things in society.
Finally, but no means any the less. What about the policemans family and the impact on them? A highly trained public servant put in such a position because this guy and his mates want to carry firearms, perhaps he’d stil be about if he had served a proper sentence the first time? It must be devistating for the officers family and team, however this turns out, as well as for the parents of the reported gangster. The knock on effect of this mans behaviour is clearly apparent. A tragedy. The legal system will do it’s thing.
Chris Kaba was using his vehicle as a weapon and also his vehicle was linked to a firearms incident. He had also previously been involved with gangs. Why all the exposure of this case when we have Marius Ciolac who was shot recently by UK police? Also Graham Trinder was shot dead in 2020 by UK police but again, no exposure at all.
Well of course it has – that’s standard procedure. Whether they decide to charge is going to be very, very different. They car was driving at the officers, that is more than enough justification for use of force.
Didn’t the family go very quiet after reviewing the footage of this?
They’re trying to make this a British George Floyd moment.
1. Failed to comply with the police. Could’ve just pulled over and resolved this peacefully.
2. Could’ve taken the life of a bystander or a police officer when he was driving erratically.
3. By all accounts, was a member of London gang who are involved in drugs and knife stabbings.
This is not an incident of a poor, innocent black person being shot by trigger-happy racist coppers. He effectively killed himself with his choices and actions.
I don’t even know how this is news, of course the IPPC have referred it to the CPS.
Wether the shooting was justified or not, article 2 of the Human Rights Act says that the state has an obligation to thoroughly investigate murders. When the police investigate a murder, they send it to the COS to make a charging decision, this is no different… just a ‘different police’
I’m glad a lot of people are seeing right through this story. A dangerous criminal dies while using his car as a weapon. Police did something right for a change.
If the CPS charge the officer then that is an absolute disgrace and every firearms officer in the country should refuse to take out any form of firearm and see how quickly the public perception and politics changes to being pro police when they realise there is no armed police anywhere
Unfortunately the courts have set a precedent that a car isn’t a deadly weapon and trying to kill someone with one isn’t assault with a deadly weapon.
He failed to comply, attempted to ram an officer with his vehicle, and was involved in gang activity in London. Seems like a clear cut case that’s been blown way out of proportion by people parroting that he was “unarmed”
He wasn’t unarmed, he was sitting inside his weapon, a two tonne steel box,and he was attempting to use said weapon to kill/seriously harm an officer. If he had a gun and pointed it at them or a knife and charged at them this wouldn’t have been any different.
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Kier would have loved this, not that they’ll be absolutely fine without him, but still.
No wonder the police can’t recruit and are loosing people constantly.
Nice precedent to set, don’t protect yourself from a guy trying to run you over with a 2 tonne car.
The armed police should all hand in their firearms, there’s no protection from in the moment actions by people looking at it from the comfort of their offices.
This was always going to happen. The IOPC don’t want the headlines ‘Police Watchdog find no wrongdoing in shooting of unarmed black man’, so they’ll make the CPS take the headlines instead.
They do this all the time in high interest cases, just for them to be shot down by CPS or judges at court
High profile case with the offence being murder… was always going to happen.
Statement from the IOPC.
Seems to confirm he was driving the vehicle at the time he was shot.
https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/news/iopc-makes-referral-cps-over-fatal-shooting-chris-kaba
Talk about a loaded article. They state he was shot through a windscreen but neglect to mention that the car was heading right for police officers. Instead they go for “unarmed black man”.
No wonder officers are leaving in record numbers and recruitment is through the floor – they’re vilified for doing their job. As firearms officers, their jobs are over the second they pull the trigger.
How dare they defend themselves from a guy trying to run them over! /s
“The police watchdog has referred the case of an unarmed black man shot dead by an officer to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).”
BBC reporting on this is so inflammatory and ridiculous. He was driving at them after they’d tried to get him to stop.
Pretty meaningless update really. The IOPC was never going to stick their neck out and say it was a justified shoot given they have the option of leaving it to the CPS to deal with.
The fact the family shut up almost completely once they were shown the video, tells me how this is going to go.
Amazing to see, after so much discussion on this case, that there is still a huge amount of misunderstanding about what we actually know happened.
We do know he was the subject of a police case and “controlled stop”, where police vehicles tried to block him in.
We do not know if Chris Kaba actually presented an immediate danger to the life of the officers or anyone else at the time of shooting. Certainly, there’s no evidence *yet* that there was any more danger than in any other controlled stop, hundreds of which take place up and down the country.
The issue is whether the shooting was necessary to save lives, and there’s been absolutely no evidence that this was the case. That’s part of the reason that there has been such an involved investigation here.
“The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan said; “Chris had his whole life ahead of him and his death has had a huge impact on Londoners,……………..,with anger, pain and fear felt across communities”
It is a tragedy all around; but the impact cited above sounds like the one his life reportedly had on a lot of people in London, before this and now after.
Do people want guns, knives, grooming of children and all of that? some like this guy reportedly did; but most, I doubt it. At a time when children are reportedly going without meals and services are stretched; the resources going into taking ambulances off the road for others etc. What I am saying is that the resources could be used for more positive things in society.
Finally, but no means any the less. What about the policemans family and the impact on them? A highly trained public servant put in such a position because this guy and his mates want to carry firearms, perhaps he’d stil be about if he had served a proper sentence the first time? It must be devistating for the officers family and team, however this turns out, as well as for the parents of the reported gangster. The knock on effect of this mans behaviour is clearly apparent. A tragedy. The legal system will do it’s thing.
Chris Kaba was using his vehicle as a weapon and also his vehicle was linked to a firearms incident. He had also previously been involved with gangs. Why all the exposure of this case when we have Marius Ciolac who was shot recently by UK police? Also Graham Trinder was shot dead in 2020 by UK police but again, no exposure at all.
Well of course it has – that’s standard procedure. Whether they decide to charge is going to be very, very different. They car was driving at the officers, that is more than enough justification for use of force.
Didn’t the family go very quiet after reviewing the footage of this?
They’re trying to make this a British George Floyd moment.
1. Failed to comply with the police. Could’ve just pulled over and resolved this peacefully.
2. Could’ve taken the life of a bystander or a police officer when he was driving erratically.
3. By all accounts, was a member of London gang who are involved in drugs and knife stabbings.
This is not an incident of a poor, innocent black person being shot by trigger-happy racist coppers. He effectively killed himself with his choices and actions.
I don’t even know how this is news, of course the IPPC have referred it to the CPS.
Wether the shooting was justified or not, article 2 of the Human Rights Act says that the state has an obligation to thoroughly investigate murders. When the police investigate a murder, they send it to the COS to make a charging decision, this is no different… just a ‘different police’
I’m glad a lot of people are seeing right through this story. A dangerous criminal dies while using his car as a weapon. Police did something right for a change.
If the CPS charge the officer then that is an absolute disgrace and every firearms officer in the country should refuse to take out any form of firearm and see how quickly the public perception and politics changes to being pro police when they realise there is no armed police anywhere
Unfortunately the courts have set a precedent that a car isn’t a deadly weapon and trying to kill someone with one isn’t assault with a deadly weapon.
He failed to comply, attempted to ram an officer with his vehicle, and was involved in gang activity in London. Seems like a clear cut case that’s been blown way out of proportion by people parroting that he was “unarmed”
He wasn’t unarmed, he was sitting inside his weapon, a two tonne steel box,and he was attempting to use said weapon to kill/seriously harm an officer. If he had a gun and pointed it at them or a knife and charged at them this wouldn’t have been any different.