Going to see a lot more “antisocial” behaviour then.
I knew the recent trend of giving tenants slightly more protections felt wrong
Well, this seems like a good idea. But I can count on the number of thumbs on my left foot how much I trust this government, so can the reddit hive mind tell me what the knock-on effects of this is?
Tory MP must have a second sublet with a tenant they want to get rid of sharpish 😅
This new clause definitely won’t be abused. Nope, no risk at all of that happening.
Were going like America over there if you’ve been evicted for what ever reason or owe a little rent etc you get put on a list and your NEVER renting privately again.. unless you meet a real caring landlord. Also over one quarter of MPs are private landlords today, wonder why they pass these bill’s.
For anyone excited by this; landlords have restricted what people can cook because of the smells it causes. This is beyond abusable.
Edit: Replies are unreal, we are a tiny normal island.
As a means of removing actual antisocial arsehole tenants, this could be great. If you’ve ever lived next to some antisocial folks, you’ll know what I mean.
Unfortunately it’s too easy to see how it could be abused to label decent tenants as antisocial. It’ll be interesting to see what protections are offered. It may also be depressing more than interesting.
> The measures would cover tenants who… fall behind on their rent.
Apparently not having enough money is now “antisocial behavior”.
So now they can make up any old reason to kick out the “antisocial” tenants with 2 weeks notice and THEN put their rent up. Gotcha.
Got a feeling anti social behaviour is gonna be on the rise.
Who can manage to pack and move in 2 weeks???
Antisocial can be anything they like. I keep wondering how much more depraved can these twats get before folks finally say enough is enough?
In theory this sounds good. Make it easier to evict problem tenants while retaining existing protections for (the great majority) good tenants. And the Airbnb register is long overdue. It needs checks and balances of course – police report(s) of the problematic behaviour or a record of unpaid rent. Landlords shouldn’t be able to just throw tenants out on a whim.
Its sad when you just have to accept that the world is only gonna keep getting worse, like if you’re poor you’re gonna spend your whole life getting fucked over and that’s really all there is to it. And God forbid you’re a women, LGBT+, a PoC cause you just get used as a scapegoat and vilified so people focus on hating you instead of those in power
I understand the complaints about this, but I suspect there are some neighbours out there who’ll be jumping for joy.
I really hope there’s a strict definition of ‘anti-social’for this, and that third parties are involved somewhat. Otherwise like everyone else I see huge potential for this to be abused.
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They absolutely need to implement a law so tenants can evict arsehole landlords then …effectively if the tenants deem their landlord to be an utter knob jockey they can fire them by cannon straight into the sea (with two weeks notice)
What a great idea giving those that are the main issue with the housing crisis more power /s
“We’re raising your rent by a further 20%”
‘I can’t afford it’
“Oh well, that’s a shame Irine. We’ve had a number of noise complaints from nearby residents”
And one of the antisocial behaviors mentioned is falling back on rent lmao. This is just blatant removal of Tennant rights
MPs are all landlords. Wasn’t it a requirement in the past to be rich and own land to be allowed in?
Of course they make laws to benefit them, the system is flawed and the class discrepancy is absolutely the highest I’ve seen in Europe. Feels like Russia.
I’m sure tenants were to get more power then they backtracked and gave the landlords more? Ha weird evil government
Wow, probably then the only option for them would be to be on the streets begging, in which then boom! you’ve got an anti-social behaviour order and you must clean these police cars within 48 hours or risk jail.
This fucking disasterclass of a shitshow country.
A lot of comments in this thread don’t seem to appreciate how difficult it is for a landlord to prove anti-social behaviour. There are already a lot of grounds for eviction in the Housing Act, but landlords rely on s21 instead wherever they can, because of how difficult and expensive it is to prove to a court’s satisfaction that the relevant ground is made out.
Cutting the notice period in these cases from 4 weeks to 2 weeks will do almost nothing. Landlords will still need court orders to evict, and those are taking 3-4 months in uncontested cases, and 12 months in contested cases.
Maybe someone knows more detail, but the Protection From Eviction Act means that you need a court order to evict someone on a tenancy agreement- and these proposals are about writing an ASB clause into a tenancy agreement.
To get a court order you serve notice (in this case two weeks), file court papers, wait about 4-8 weeks for a hearing date, convince a judge, get a possession order (usually within 4 weeks), if they don’t leave file court papers for enforcement of the order, get a bailiff date (about 2-6 weeks), get eviction.
So what I’m saying is this ‘two weeks’ headline is just getting the ball rolling on a long process.
If it’s severe ASB, we already have an injunction process, which has powers of arrest and can be done as an emergency measure.
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Complain about your boiler not working? You’ll be tarred as anti social.
Pathetic.
Tories ‘these housing laws aren’t working out for us, we need to find ways to be more shitty to the poors’
>Rishi Sunak’s action plan also requires homeowners who rent out their properties on the Airbnb website to register on a new database that will make it easier for local councils to deal with complaints about problematic guests.
And who is going to make that database, Infosys?
Don’t see how adding a database to the problem is relevant. Council gets a complaint and it will treat it differently whether it’s on Airbnb? That sounds odd.
To me this looks like another gravy train for one of Tory affiliated corporations to undertake and dressed as if it would make any difference.
Welcome to Britain.
While you were worried about teenagers and paying tax.
We slowly sold your institutions.
Made you watch your family die as we laughed and
Banned protest.
Made laws so vague and numerous under the guise of fighting crime that now you’re all guilty of something.
We have actively worked to make you hate each other.
Asking each other questions like “where are the lines”
The line used to be not being a cunt.
All while giving us the grand option of would you like to learn French or German in an education system that is now geared to teaching kids fuck all useful.
Basing laws on phrases they made up for kids at bus stops.
This started with asbos and its now in the housing market
Welcome to Britain.
Where if you mention any of this you’re met with fake shock and disbelief, whilst being told you’re ungrateful.
Because according to them “they are very proud of what we have and to suggest it’s anything otherwise is downright offensive.”
The Tenants didn’t even give us a bottle of wine three times a week, I mean just how antisocial is that!
I had a housemate who would smear shit all over bathroom and sometimes even kitchen. He was getting more aggressive and was walking naked around the house during the episodes.
I have called police, mental health services, critical mental health services etc. I tried to get welfare check and I couldn’t get through to anyone. I was crying on the phone as they have bounced me around to different services and numbers I needed to call but no one was able to help me
It took 10 months to evict him due to his disabilities.
I can see where it would be helpful to have such law but even after going through all of this I am afraid it would be abused. I think if it were a thing, it would have to be so police has to be involved or something, not just landlord saying tenant is shitty and that’s it. Also per the website rule I didn’t read article so maybe it’s better or worse than that
Not quite the cat of nine tails but a step closer to 30p Lee’s dream
I’ve just heard on the radio the antisocial behaviour includes being late to pay rent. Not sure how true it is.
What’s with all these dog shit policies they’re pumping out. I’m pretty sure there alot more important things that should be focused on.
…so falling behind on your rent, in the middle of a massive cost of living crises, is now considered Anti-Social behaviour.
…. fuck me the Tories just don’t give a shit about even appearing to care.
No way this could possibly be abused by malicious landlords.
As long as tenants get a mandatory 2 weeks notice break clause if the landlord refused to fix issues then I’m fine with it
Just what we need. More absolute power being consolidated into the hands of our landlords/overlords.
Nick Ferrari on LBC this morning talking about how being a landlord is hard. Ffs.
I see nothing wrong here. It’s the landlord’s property after all, the tenant only has the right to make reasonable use of it.
Good, having had a nightmare housemate that didn’t pay his share of the bills and had the emergency services coming round to kick his door down at 2am on multiple occasions, I am fully in favour, had to wait 2 months after he stopped paying rent to see the back of him
Would picketing these land families inheritance parties, sorry “funerals”, be antisocial behaviour?
Ban the ownership of property the owner does not intend to permanently reside in. Make being a landlord a criminal offense.
Important to note (and which should really be part of these headlines) that you can be evicted under this if you fall behind on your rent. That’s the most concerning thing out of this draconian proposal and we’ll see homelessness skyrocket if this goes through.
Can’t wait for people being the wrong colour to go down as being anti-social.
They’re going to have a stethoscope to the front door listening for tenants farting too loudly.
UK government is so backwards. Moving to Denmark soon hopefully
>The measures would cover tenants who play loud music, use drugs, cause damage to their property **or fall behind on their rent**.
This part in particular is something I find troubling. So financial hardship constitutes antisocial behaviour?
I invite every one whos against this to my flat so we can listen my neighbours at 3AM jaming QUEEN on max volume toghether
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Going to see a lot more “antisocial” behaviour then.
I knew the recent trend of giving tenants slightly more protections felt wrong
Well, this seems like a good idea. But I can count on the number of thumbs on my left foot how much I trust this government, so can the reddit hive mind tell me what the knock-on effects of this is?
Tory MP must have a second sublet with a tenant they want to get rid of sharpish 😅
This new clause definitely won’t be abused. Nope, no risk at all of that happening.
Were going like America over there if you’ve been evicted for what ever reason or owe a little rent etc you get put on a list and your NEVER renting privately again.. unless you meet a real caring landlord. Also over one quarter of MPs are private landlords today, wonder why they pass these bill’s.
For anyone excited by this; landlords have restricted what people can cook because of the smells it causes. This is beyond abusable.
Edit: Replies are unreal, we are a tiny normal island.
As a means of removing actual antisocial arsehole tenants, this could be great. If you’ve ever lived next to some antisocial folks, you’ll know what I mean.
Unfortunately it’s too easy to see how it could be abused to label decent tenants as antisocial. It’ll be interesting to see what protections are offered. It may also be depressing more than interesting.
> The measures would cover tenants who… fall behind on their rent.
Apparently not having enough money is now “antisocial behavior”.
So now they can make up any old reason to kick out the “antisocial” tenants with 2 weeks notice and THEN put their rent up. Gotcha.
Got a feeling anti social behaviour is gonna be on the rise.
Who can manage to pack and move in 2 weeks???
Antisocial can be anything they like. I keep wondering how much more depraved can these twats get before folks finally say enough is enough?
In theory this sounds good. Make it easier to evict problem tenants while retaining existing protections for (the great majority) good tenants. And the Airbnb register is long overdue. It needs checks and balances of course – police report(s) of the problematic behaviour or a record of unpaid rent. Landlords shouldn’t be able to just throw tenants out on a whim.
Its sad when you just have to accept that the world is only gonna keep getting worse, like if you’re poor you’re gonna spend your whole life getting fucked over and that’s really all there is to it. And God forbid you’re a women, LGBT+, a PoC cause you just get used as a scapegoat and vilified so people focus on hating you instead of those in power
I understand the complaints about this, but I suspect there are some neighbours out there who’ll be jumping for joy.
I really hope there’s a strict definition of ‘anti-social’for this, and that third parties are involved somewhat. Otherwise like everyone else I see huge potential for this to be abused.
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They absolutely need to implement a law so tenants can evict arsehole landlords then …effectively if the tenants deem their landlord to be an utter knob jockey they can fire them by cannon straight into the sea (with two weeks notice)
What a great idea giving those that are the main issue with the housing crisis more power /s
“We’re raising your rent by a further 20%”
‘I can’t afford it’
“Oh well, that’s a shame Irine. We’ve had a number of noise complaints from nearby residents”
And one of the antisocial behaviors mentioned is falling back on rent lmao. This is just blatant removal of Tennant rights
MPs are all landlords. Wasn’t it a requirement in the past to be rich and own land to be allowed in?
Of course they make laws to benefit them, the system is flawed and the class discrepancy is absolutely the highest I’ve seen in Europe. Feels like Russia.
I’m sure tenants were to get more power then they backtracked and gave the landlords more? Ha weird evil government
Wow, probably then the only option for them would be to be on the streets begging, in which then boom! you’ve got an anti-social behaviour order and you must clean these police cars within 48 hours or risk jail.
This fucking disasterclass of a shitshow country.
A lot of comments in this thread don’t seem to appreciate how difficult it is for a landlord to prove anti-social behaviour. There are already a lot of grounds for eviction in the Housing Act, but landlords rely on s21 instead wherever they can, because of how difficult and expensive it is to prove to a court’s satisfaction that the relevant ground is made out.
Cutting the notice period in these cases from 4 weeks to 2 weeks will do almost nothing. Landlords will still need court orders to evict, and those are taking 3-4 months in uncontested cases, and 12 months in contested cases.
Maybe someone knows more detail, but the Protection From Eviction Act means that you need a court order to evict someone on a tenancy agreement- and these proposals are about writing an ASB clause into a tenancy agreement.
To get a court order you serve notice (in this case two weeks), file court papers, wait about 4-8 weeks for a hearing date, convince a judge, get a possession order (usually within 4 weeks), if they don’t leave file court papers for enforcement of the order, get a bailiff date (about 2-6 weeks), get eviction.
So what I’m saying is this ‘two weeks’ headline is just getting the ball rolling on a long process.
If it’s severe ASB, we already have an injunction process, which has powers of arrest and can be done as an emergency measure.
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Complain about your boiler not working? You’ll be tarred as anti social.
Pathetic.
Tories ‘these housing laws aren’t working out for us, we need to find ways to be more shitty to the poors’
>Rishi Sunak’s action plan also requires homeowners who rent out their properties on the Airbnb website to register on a new database that will make it easier for local councils to deal with complaints about problematic guests.
And who is going to make that database, Infosys?
Don’t see how adding a database to the problem is relevant. Council gets a complaint and it will treat it differently whether it’s on Airbnb? That sounds odd.
To me this looks like another gravy train for one of Tory affiliated corporations to undertake and dressed as if it would make any difference.
Welcome to Britain.
While you were worried about teenagers and paying tax.
We slowly sold your institutions.
Made you watch your family die as we laughed and
Banned protest.
Made laws so vague and numerous under the guise of fighting crime that now you’re all guilty of something.
We have actively worked to make you hate each other.
Asking each other questions like “where are the lines”
The line used to be not being a cunt.
All while giving us the grand option of would you like to learn French or German in an education system that is now geared to teaching kids fuck all useful.
Basing laws on phrases they made up for kids at bus stops.
This started with asbos and its now in the housing market
Welcome to Britain.
Where if you mention any of this you’re met with fake shock and disbelief, whilst being told you’re ungrateful.
Because according to them “they are very proud of what we have and to suggest it’s anything otherwise is downright offensive.”
The Tenants didn’t even give us a bottle of wine three times a week, I mean just how antisocial is that!
I had a housemate who would smear shit all over bathroom and sometimes even kitchen. He was getting more aggressive and was walking naked around the house during the episodes.
I have called police, mental health services, critical mental health services etc. I tried to get welfare check and I couldn’t get through to anyone. I was crying on the phone as they have bounced me around to different services and numbers I needed to call but no one was able to help me
It took 10 months to evict him due to his disabilities.
I can see where it would be helpful to have such law but even after going through all of this I am afraid it would be abused. I think if it were a thing, it would have to be so police has to be involved or something, not just landlord saying tenant is shitty and that’s it. Also per the website rule I didn’t read article so maybe it’s better or worse than that
Not quite the cat of nine tails but a step closer to 30p Lee’s dream
I’ve just heard on the radio the antisocial behaviour includes being late to pay rent. Not sure how true it is.
What’s with all these dog shit policies they’re pumping out. I’m pretty sure there alot more important things that should be focused on.
…so falling behind on your rent, in the middle of a massive cost of living crises, is now considered Anti-Social behaviour.
…. fuck me the Tories just don’t give a shit about even appearing to care.
No way this could possibly be abused by malicious landlords.
As long as tenants get a mandatory 2 weeks notice break clause if the landlord refused to fix issues then I’m fine with it
Just what we need. More absolute power being consolidated into the hands of our landlords/overlords.
Nick Ferrari on LBC this morning talking about how being a landlord is hard. Ffs.
I see nothing wrong here. It’s the landlord’s property after all, the tenant only has the right to make reasonable use of it.
Good, having had a nightmare housemate that didn’t pay his share of the bills and had the emergency services coming round to kick his door down at 2am on multiple occasions, I am fully in favour, had to wait 2 months after he stopped paying rent to see the back of him
Would picketing these land families inheritance parties, sorry “funerals”, be antisocial behaviour?
Ban the ownership of property the owner does not intend to permanently reside in. Make being a landlord a criminal offense.
Important to note (and which should really be part of these headlines) that you can be evicted under this if you fall behind on your rent. That’s the most concerning thing out of this draconian proposal and we’ll see homelessness skyrocket if this goes through.
Can’t wait for people being the wrong colour to go down as being anti-social.
They’re going to have a stethoscope to the front door listening for tenants farting too loudly.
UK government is so backwards. Moving to Denmark soon hopefully
>The measures would cover tenants who play loud music, use drugs, cause damage to their property **or fall behind on their rent**.
This part in particular is something I find troubling. So financial hardship constitutes antisocial behaviour?
I invite every one whos against this to my flat so we can listen my neighbours at 3AM jaming QUEEN on max volume toghether
MAMAAAA UUUU