Obama needs to give them a full-on kick up the arse instead of advice.
Just do SOMETHING, Starmer.
he’s suggesting drone strikes apparently…. as it was Obama’s answer to most overseas issues
Putting aside that Obama became the centrist neolib who drone striked rather than pulled troops out, did nothing to correct racial injustice in america, failed to close Guantanamo Bay and in areas where he wanted to do well he was obstructioned by republicans every single day.
The thing about Obama’s campaign at the time is it was really among the first to capture the efficacy of online campaigning. There was masses of youth engagement, strong grassroots activism and he drove people to the party who had never considered voting before, he led massively in small donor drives and brought masses of funding to his campaign as a result and organised heavily to get voters out to heavily voter-suppressed areas.
These are things Starmer will not do. Starmer has all the charisma of a greggs steak bake and has proven over and over that the grassroots-harnessing which propelled Obama to power are considered the enemy to him. That grassroots he’s spent his two years so far marginalising and ejecting from the party? They’re not going to be there to doorstep for him, they’re not going to fund or obtain funds for him, they’re not going to reach non-engaged people for him.
And more than anything, that early adopter advantage that obama had of embracing online campaigning resources? Gone. If anything the far right and the tories consolidate that with their media control. Starmer’s fucked and Obama was living in another age when he came to power.
Is it “Stand for Something”
Or
“Give people hope rather than just existing as the alternative”
Lammy and Starmer getting advice from Obama will never make me vote Labour again.
Obama should be giving the Democrats in the US some advice because things aren’t looking great for next year’s midterm elections.
I remember his meddling in the Brexit referendum, regardless of your Brexit stance it is a bit rich for his party to complain about Russian interference in the US votes after Obama openly did the same in a British vote. It didn’t go down well, I voted remain and even I was pissed off at the arrogance of it.I actually think it pushed more people to vote leave, particularly after Iraq and Afghanistan people here don’t like being told what to do by the Americans.
Plus, what works for American voters doesn’t necessarily word in the UK. Obama doesn’t know the UK electorate, he never even seemed particularly fond of the UK
This is nothing new. There’s been contact between Labour and the Democrats all the way back to the 90s. That resulted in alot of electoral success for New Labour. There’s also a cross-party exchange of MPs to Washington every year.
In industry sharing best practices with peers is seen as a good thing. Why shouldn’t politicians with broadly similar political beliefs do the same?
Getting rid of pillocks like Lammy would be a start
Edit: wow, downvoted for calling out someone who is quite plainly divisive. The hivemindis strong.
You mean US president Obama? The man who was drone striking the middle east his entire terms? Like when they bombed out a Doctors Without Borders hospital so much they had to flee? That Obama?
Downvoting the truth doesnt make Obama not responsible for the deaths of many innocent lives.
Starmer is happy to wait before taking any real action. He has spent months letting the Tories out their foot in it but has done nothing to say to the electorate “This is what I would do differently and why it would be better.” He also wants to bring back older Labour voters, which is fine but it will be at the risk of losing younger Labour voters at the same time. The left are facing a real problem between traditional working class voters and younger voters when it comes to social policies and they will need to be very clear where they stand to avoid upsetting people.
I wouldn’t exactly look at Obamas tenure as winning. The most significant thing he did was get elected. He then wasted all that hope and potential. A different lesson for Starmer there.
As a Brit living in the U.S. I wouldn’t listen to a word that dipshit says. Second worst President ever. Brandon being #1. Let’s go! 😀
If there’s one thing worse than “trying to fight the last election instead of the next one”, it’s “trying to fight the ~~last~~ third-to-last American election instead of the next UK one”.
To set the context for the next one, the EU will have agitated itself into yet more dysfunctional neo-imperialist desire, China will keep playing them (via the EU’s desire to “rival America”) to hobble what the active parts of the west can do, Biden (already the second least popular US president on fivethirtyeight, behind only Trump) will be meandering to the end of his ineffective term of “not being fully aware”, by then having lost control of either or both the house and senate, and the countries that do have independence to operate (Aus, NZ, South Korea, Canada, Japan, etc) will still be waiting for us to unsnare ourselves from the EU properly before we can forge ahead with anything that isn’t bogged in the EU mire.
It won’t be won on what your SpAd did for Christmas.
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Obama needs to give them a full-on kick up the arse instead of advice.
Just do SOMETHING, Starmer.
he’s suggesting drone strikes apparently…. as it was Obama’s answer to most overseas issues
Putting aside that Obama became the centrist neolib who drone striked rather than pulled troops out, did nothing to correct racial injustice in america, failed to close Guantanamo Bay and in areas where he wanted to do well he was obstructioned by republicans every single day.
The thing about Obama’s campaign at the time is it was really among the first to capture the efficacy of online campaigning. There was masses of youth engagement, strong grassroots activism and he drove people to the party who had never considered voting before, he led massively in small donor drives and brought masses of funding to his campaign as a result and organised heavily to get voters out to heavily voter-suppressed areas.
These are things Starmer will not do. Starmer has all the charisma of a greggs steak bake and has proven over and over that the grassroots-harnessing which propelled Obama to power are considered the enemy to him. That grassroots he’s spent his two years so far marginalising and ejecting from the party? They’re not going to be there to doorstep for him, they’re not going to fund or obtain funds for him, they’re not going to reach non-engaged people for him.
And more than anything, that early adopter advantage that obama had of embracing online campaigning resources? Gone. If anything the far right and the tories consolidate that with their media control. Starmer’s fucked and Obama was living in another age when he came to power.
Is it “Stand for Something”
Or
“Give people hope rather than just existing as the alternative”
Lammy and Starmer getting advice from Obama will never make me vote Labour again.
Obama should be giving the Democrats in the US some advice because things aren’t looking great for next year’s midterm elections.
I remember his meddling in the Brexit referendum, regardless of your Brexit stance it is a bit rich for his party to complain about Russian interference in the US votes after Obama openly did the same in a British vote. It didn’t go down well, I voted remain and even I was pissed off at the arrogance of it.I actually think it pushed more people to vote leave, particularly after Iraq and Afghanistan people here don’t like being told what to do by the Americans.
Plus, what works for American voters doesn’t necessarily word in the UK. Obama doesn’t know the UK electorate, he never even seemed particularly fond of the UK
This is nothing new. There’s been contact between Labour and the Democrats all the way back to the 90s. That resulted in alot of electoral success for New Labour. There’s also a cross-party exchange of MPs to Washington every year.
In industry sharing best practices with peers is seen as a good thing. Why shouldn’t politicians with broadly similar political beliefs do the same?
Getting rid of pillocks like Lammy would be a start
Edit: wow, downvoted for calling out someone who is quite plainly divisive. The hivemindis strong.
You mean US president Obama? The man who was drone striking the middle east his entire terms? Like when they bombed out a Doctors Without Borders hospital so much they had to flee? That Obama?
Downvoting the truth doesnt make Obama not responsible for the deaths of many innocent lives.
Starmer is happy to wait before taking any real action. He has spent months letting the Tories out their foot in it but has done nothing to say to the electorate “This is what I would do differently and why it would be better.” He also wants to bring back older Labour voters, which is fine but it will be at the risk of losing younger Labour voters at the same time. The left are facing a real problem between traditional working class voters and younger voters when it comes to social policies and they will need to be very clear where they stand to avoid upsetting people.
I wouldn’t exactly look at Obamas tenure as winning. The most significant thing he did was get elected. He then wasted all that hope and potential. A different lesson for Starmer there.
As a Brit living in the U.S. I wouldn’t listen to a word that dipshit says. Second worst President ever. Brandon being #1. Let’s go! 😀
If there’s one thing worse than “trying to fight the last election instead of the next one”, it’s “trying to fight the ~~last~~ third-to-last American election instead of the next UK one”.
To set the context for the next one, the EU will have agitated itself into yet more dysfunctional neo-imperialist desire, China will keep playing them (via the EU’s desire to “rival America”) to hobble what the active parts of the west can do, Biden (already the second least popular US president on fivethirtyeight, behind only Trump) will be meandering to the end of his ineffective term of “not being fully aware”, by then having lost control of either or both the house and senate, and the countries that do have independence to operate (Aus, NZ, South Korea, Canada, Japan, etc) will still be waiting for us to unsnare ourselves from the EU properly before we can forge ahead with anything that isn’t bogged in the EU mire.
It won’t be won on what your SpAd did for Christmas.