Not that the ban will make one bit of difference aside from pushing prices up, I’m all for seeing the stupid canisters assigned to history. Such a blight and so bad for the environment
What evidence is there that this will work?
Also, does that mean we can repeal the Psychoactive Substance Act 2016 which already bans the drug for purposes of human consumption? Because obviously that is a piece of failed legislation if we are still having to ban drugs after the blanket ban on all substances – the named exceptions being caffeine, alcohol and nicotine.
Mr Gove said: “I think anyone who has the opportunity to walk through our parks in our major cities will have seen these little silver canisters, which are examples of people not only spoiling public spaces but taking a drug which can have a psychological and neurological effect and one that contributes to antisocial behaviour overall.”
He did not know which class (whether A, B or C) the drug would fall under.
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Laughing gas causes a very short high. The main antisocial aspect is the litter. It’s not addictive.
Alcohol on the other hand….
This is just a case of one group of people not liking what another group does and therefore banning it.
We already have anti litter laws. If they could be enforced against cans of beer we’d make a bigger impact on anti social behaviour than this ban.
This is no laughing matter
I wonder how the ban affects people who use it legitimately? (Culinary uses for example)
If anybody wants to remind everybody of the dangers of NOS – please have this in mind if the context.
“between 2001 and 2020) there were 56 registered deaths involving nitrous oxide in England and Wales”
This year there was around 240 deaths from paracetamol (227 the year prior to that).
We have around 5 times the amount of deaths from paracetamol in a year compared to two decades of laughing gas use.
And if you were to compare deaths over the same period since 2001, over 6000 compared to 56. 10 times more deaths.
Not to downplay any harms of NOS – just to put them into perspective of what we already deem safe to use.
Edit – most paracetamol deaths are ruled to be accidental poisoning and not intentional overdoses
Edit – This is not meant as a like to like comparison although presented as such (my mistake). Simply wanted to outline how little we hear of the 6000 deaths by paracetamol and harms compared NOS and the attention it receives.
Of course all those fast cars are the real problem with antisocial behaviour, it’s solved now.
I saw a recipe to make aero chocolate at home that needed this gas. Are we just going to not be allowed to use it for it’s intended purpose anymore? I was kind of excited about making this.
It makes sense, cannabis is illegal and it has been all but eradicated from society /s
Gove says that it leads to anti-social behaviour in public spaces. Even if you accept this is the case, the police already have powers to tell people to stop!
Banning it is just more political theatre to go along with this so-called “crime blitz” and give brainwashed Mail and Telegraph readers another scrap to wank themselves silly over as we all continue to get poorer, colder and hungrier.
Gove talking about the scourge of drugs is hilarious
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Michael Gove is going to ban nitrous oxide, because the Conservatives don’t like to hear about members of the public laughing in the streets!
This worked fantastically with all the other drugs we banned.
Because banning things is how we stopped drugs in the UK…
Even assuming that a ban was effective, people are still going to want a buzz and I can’t think of any alternative that would be safer or less antisocial.
Kids want to do nitrous and have a bit of a giggle? That’s great, and a hell of a lot less antisocial than me and my friends getting pissed in the park when we were their age.
Yes. Banning things, especially substances, has a proven track record of improving outcomes…
Stop treating the symptoms and start treating the causes. It all starts with education. Maybe, if adults posses poor epistemology then perhaps the real issue is that the education system doesn’t address epistemology well enough and something should be done about that.
Throwing resources at treating the far removed symptoms of a problem is fundamentally not solving the underlying issue. Also, imagine how many problems that arise from the same fundamental issues could be improved by tacking the fundamental root causes of the symptoms.
Everything is for show/to placate and does very little to actually address anything because we refuse to acknowledge where problems start.
Why do they even have an Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs if they just do the opposite of what it says?
I just heard about this. What a joke, what if you need the gas for a completely legitimate reason. Go ahead, ban the gas but it’s not a root cause, all this gov seems to do is just stop a symptom by punishing everyone. Instead of the real issue.
Criminal gangs will be overjoyed by this new piece of legislation. They’ve just added another product to their inventory!
Just ban the tiny casings and crackers, ban fucking disposable vapes whilst they’re at it please they’re a worse litter.
I see a lot more broken glass on the ground than nos canisters.
TBH it’s the mess they leave behind that annoys me. Never seen people going on a rampage cos of NOxide
Fuck me, banning drugs doesn’t fucking work. Stupid cunts in the seats thinking they know best.
We did it! Problem solved!
Teens only did nitrous because it was legal, now that its illegal they will stop.
Ah that’ll do it. Nobody will use it or have access to it any more. Anti-social behaviour will be a thing of the past! Excellent job.
Isn’t Gove a notorious coke fiend though? Hypocrite
Lol….
No, honestly, guys, this time, THIS time banning a drug will work!
If they legitimately gave a shit about anti-social behaviour and thought that they needed to legislate accordingly, alcohol would be the first target.
Going to see an awful lot of ice cream vans parked up outside nightclubs
Nitrous oxide has genuine uses. A friend of mine is heavily involved in the hobby rocketry scene they use nitrous oxide as an oxidiser for their fuel. Nitrous oxide is also an essential medicine. Motor racing (such as drag racing) also use nitrous oxide (known as nos to them) to boost power output. Nitrous oxide is also used as the propellant for whipped cream (more common propellants can’t be used because the oxygen in compressed air rancidifies the fats, and CO2 is acidic and would curdle it).
Not seen anyone at all mention the number of nitrous oxide thefts from hospitals that take place which cause untold misery and delays to vital surgery.
If this does anything to curb the demand then maybe those occurances will decrease.
But that is just wishful thinking.
By doing this more ambulances are gonna get a broken in too
To those morons who use it and leave them dumped on roads..well done.
Don’t ban it. Just put a deposit of like £5 on the big cans and £1 on the small ones. Like that, incentive to pick up litter.
To be fair Litter is the main issue IMO. The state of our parks and streets and how fucking all london streets are its crazy. I see people just throwing rubbish on the streets like its nothing and bin is like 10 meteres away from them. I think UK has major litter problem and something needs to be done to address this
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Not that the ban will make one bit of difference aside from pushing prices up, I’m all for seeing the stupid canisters assigned to history. Such a blight and so bad for the environment
What evidence is there that this will work?
Also, does that mean we can repeal the Psychoactive Substance Act 2016 which already bans the drug for purposes of human consumption? Because obviously that is a piece of failed legislation if we are still having to ban drugs after the blanket ban on all substances – the named exceptions being caffeine, alcohol and nicotine.
Mr Gove said: “I think anyone who has the opportunity to walk through our parks in our major cities will have seen these little silver canisters, which are examples of people not only spoiling public spaces but taking a drug which can have a psychological and neurological effect and one that contributes to antisocial behaviour overall.”
He did not know which class (whether A, B or C) the drug would fall under.
AT
Laughing gas causes a very short high. The main antisocial aspect is the litter. It’s not addictive.
Alcohol on the other hand….
This is just a case of one group of people not liking what another group does and therefore banning it.
We already have anti litter laws. If they could be enforced against cans of beer we’d make a bigger impact on anti social behaviour than this ban.
This is no laughing matter
I wonder how the ban affects people who use it legitimately? (Culinary uses for example)
If anybody wants to remind everybody of the dangers of NOS – please have this in mind if the context.
“between 2001 and 2020) there were 56 registered deaths involving nitrous oxide in England and Wales”
This year there was around 240 deaths from paracetamol (227 the year prior to that).
We have around 5 times the amount of deaths from paracetamol in a year compared to two decades of laughing gas use.
And if you were to compare deaths over the same period since 2001, over 6000 compared to 56. 10 times more deaths.
Not to downplay any harms of NOS – just to put them into perspective of what we already deem safe to use.
Edit – most paracetamol deaths are ruled to be accidental poisoning and not intentional overdoses
Edit – This is not meant as a like to like comparison although presented as such (my mistake). Simply wanted to outline how little we hear of the 6000 deaths by paracetamol and harms compared NOS and the attention it receives.
Of course all those fast cars are the real problem with antisocial behaviour, it’s solved now.
I saw a recipe to make aero chocolate at home that needed this gas. Are we just going to not be allowed to use it for it’s intended purpose anymore? I was kind of excited about making this.
It makes sense, cannabis is illegal and it has been all but eradicated from society /s
Gove says that it leads to anti-social behaviour in public spaces. Even if you accept this is the case, the police already have powers to tell people to stop!
Banning it is just more political theatre to go along with this so-called “crime blitz” and give brainwashed Mail and Telegraph readers another scrap to wank themselves silly over as we all continue to get poorer, colder and hungrier.
Gove talking about the scourge of drugs is hilarious
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Michael Gove is going to ban nitrous oxide, because the Conservatives don’t like to hear about members of the public laughing in the streets!
This worked fantastically with all the other drugs we banned.
Because banning things is how we stopped drugs in the UK…
Even assuming that a ban was effective, people are still going to want a buzz and I can’t think of any alternative that would be safer or less antisocial.
Kids want to do nitrous and have a bit of a giggle? That’s great, and a hell of a lot less antisocial than me and my friends getting pissed in the park when we were their age.
Yes. Banning things, especially substances, has a proven track record of improving outcomes…
Stop treating the symptoms and start treating the causes. It all starts with education. Maybe, if adults posses poor epistemology then perhaps the real issue is that the education system doesn’t address epistemology well enough and something should be done about that.
Throwing resources at treating the far removed symptoms of a problem is fundamentally not solving the underlying issue. Also, imagine how many problems that arise from the same fundamental issues could be improved by tacking the fundamental root causes of the symptoms.
Everything is for show/to placate and does very little to actually address anything because we refuse to acknowledge where problems start.
Why do they even have an Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs if they just do the opposite of what it says?
I just heard about this. What a joke, what if you need the gas for a completely legitimate reason. Go ahead, ban the gas but it’s not a root cause, all this gov seems to do is just stop a symptom by punishing everyone. Instead of the real issue.
Criminal gangs will be overjoyed by this new piece of legislation. They’ve just added another product to their inventory!
Just ban the tiny casings and crackers, ban fucking disposable vapes whilst they’re at it please they’re a worse litter.
I see a lot more broken glass on the ground than nos canisters.
TBH it’s the mess they leave behind that annoys me. Never seen people going on a rampage cos of NOxide
Fuck me, banning drugs doesn’t fucking work. Stupid cunts in the seats thinking they know best.
We did it! Problem solved!
Teens only did nitrous because it was legal, now that its illegal they will stop.
Ah that’ll do it. Nobody will use it or have access to it any more. Anti-social behaviour will be a thing of the past! Excellent job.
Isn’t Gove a notorious coke fiend though? Hypocrite
Lol….
No, honestly, guys, this time, THIS time banning a drug will work!
If they legitimately gave a shit about anti-social behaviour and thought that they needed to legislate accordingly, alcohol would be the first target.
Going to see an awful lot of ice cream vans parked up outside nightclubs
Nitrous oxide has genuine uses. A friend of mine is heavily involved in the hobby rocketry scene they use nitrous oxide as an oxidiser for their fuel. Nitrous oxide is also an essential medicine. Motor racing (such as drag racing) also use nitrous oxide (known as nos to them) to boost power output. Nitrous oxide is also used as the propellant for whipped cream (more common propellants can’t be used because the oxygen in compressed air rancidifies the fats, and CO2 is acidic and would curdle it).
Not seen anyone at all mention the number of nitrous oxide thefts from hospitals that take place which cause untold misery and delays to vital surgery.
If this does anything to curb the demand then maybe those occurances will decrease.
But that is just wishful thinking.
By doing this more ambulances are gonna get a broken in too
To those morons who use it and leave them dumped on roads..well done.
Don’t ban it. Just put a deposit of like £5 on the big cans and £1 on the small ones. Like that, incentive to pick up litter.
To be fair Litter is the main issue IMO. The state of our parks and streets and how fucking all london streets are its crazy. I see people just throwing rubbish on the streets like its nothing and bin is like 10 meteres away from them. I think UK has major litter problem and something needs to be done to address this