There are plenty of people that would happily work for the NHS if they were given the support to train/educate for the roles.
And that isn’t just restricted to the medical profession.
Compared to many other 1st world countries, the UK has abysmal re-training programs and options. There is very little support for someone who is already in fulltime employment and cannot take the financial hit of lowing their hours etc for retraining purposes.
Also, once upon a time companies actually trained you on the job, and gradually got you educated and qualified over time. Now most UK companies expect every applicant to have all the qualifications under the sun + years of experience in the field already….for basic starting positions.
This has to change, and we need to start investing in our people again so that we have skilled and talented workers who also have access to these opportunities.
Tory voters vote happy for this. Until it suddenly dawns on them they are their own worst enemy.
Then it’s too late!!
Stelling portions of the NHS seems the only logical thing to do.
13 years is too long to produce particularly accurate or meaningful personnel forecasts.
The NHS plan is to never fill these gaps & dump extra work on the remaining staff with no change in job progression or pay.
Talking about 2036 ? Not 2030 isn’t that the year of all years? The great reset
Maybe if they were better paid and or didn’t have to pay for training, then more people would do it.
If you join other government run things, the training and gaining the qualifications is part of the job. If I sign up to the air force, they don’t expect me to be fully qualified to operate a fighter jet or whatever when I show up.
I’m not sure why we treat the NHS differently. I especially don’t understand having nursing so underpaid while requiring student nurses to take on student debt for the privilege (an absolute recipie for them leaving for anything better paid).
If there had been an option for free university if it lead to a job in the NHS (say maintenance and free tuition in exchange for X years service), I’d have taken it. Or even writing off student loans after ten years government service would be an incentive, some US government backed student loans can be forgiven this way.
Another one that grinds my gears is how lots of already underpaid NHS workers have to retake professional qualifications from time to time, but the NHS doesn’t cover the cost.
Lots of these things seem like easy fixes and sure, there’s a cost. However, feels like you end up paying more long term in low retention, high turnover and difficulties staffing (not to mention outright losing professionals with transferrable skills to higher paid work overseas).
If only there was a really simple way to stop this from happening /s
This implies that the NHS will still exist in 2036.
Just look at the private sector growth now. look at what you can on “buy now pay later” plans.
Our department always struggle to recuit. One factor is there is ao much red tape to hiring someone. From advert going out to them starting the job, its currently 7 months. Most people in that time who we hire find other better paid work so dont turn up for the job
Ooh was it a report that said ‘something could happen, perhaps, maybe one day’ or was it a leaked memo?
Did it come from a ‘think tank’?
How exciting!
Don’t worry the Tories have a plan. Make striking in the NHS illegal and sack anyone that tries it. Problem solved.
The new apprenticeship scheme is much better. People learn a lot more on the job skills as they are in one place their whole 3 years and fit in the team and spend a lot more time clinically but they also have university to get the side of new up to date knowledge and things that maybe aren’t picked up so much in clinical practice. They also get paid for it rather than taking on debt unfortunately trusts take on a lot more normal degree students due to agreements in place than apprenticeship students.
More needs to happen but hopefully leads to increasing people wanting to do these roles and being able to.
The NHS is terrible at retaining staff. We have had a large number of experienced staff leave in the past year, with at least five more of us planning to leave soon. We are already short-staffed and those of us remaining are under more pressure than ever, while our managers do nothing to help with the bench work or cover shifts. Training is also non-existent, although they promise us it will happen any day now, which makes it even harder to do our job properly. I loved the job when I started but five years have ground me down far too much.
It’s funny how CEOs, Directors and MPs always say that they need to be well paid to attract the best, but never apply that mantra when employing highly skilled staff, and wonder why they can’t recruit!
So they’re obviously not the best, as they can’t grasp that simple premise!
Band 5 nurse from my team left recently to private care. She was 1 year after uni with 15 years in care experience paid 27 000 with our team with this going to 32 000 in a year time. She got job doing easier work for 43 000 in private. Want to keep staff pay us right.
I have spend all weekend working with people who were suicidal. I was probably the only person they have spoken to if they make it through a weekend I don’t get a thank you. If I help 100 people and 1 completes successful suicide I will likely be under heavy scrutiny and investigation for 24 000 a year.
I have worked in both NHS and private. Care in NHS is whole different class better but pay in private is often 25 to as much as 50% more. We cannot sustain that
Just increase immigration numbers.and stop being racists
and they will still require 2,000,000 new non clinical managers
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There are plenty of people that would happily work for the NHS if they were given the support to train/educate for the roles.
And that isn’t just restricted to the medical profession.
Compared to many other 1st world countries, the UK has abysmal re-training programs and options. There is very little support for someone who is already in fulltime employment and cannot take the financial hit of lowing their hours etc for retraining purposes.
Also, once upon a time companies actually trained you on the job, and gradually got you educated and qualified over time. Now most UK companies expect every applicant to have all the qualifications under the sun + years of experience in the field already….for basic starting positions.
This has to change, and we need to start investing in our people again so that we have skilled and talented workers who also have access to these opportunities.
Tory voters vote happy for this. Until it suddenly dawns on them they are their own worst enemy.
Then it’s too late!!
Stelling portions of the NHS seems the only logical thing to do.
13 years is too long to produce particularly accurate or meaningful personnel forecasts.
The NHS plan is to never fill these gaps & dump extra work on the remaining staff with no change in job progression or pay.
Talking about 2036 ? Not 2030 isn’t that the year of all years? The great reset
Maybe if they were better paid and or didn’t have to pay for training, then more people would do it.
If you join other government run things, the training and gaining the qualifications is part of the job. If I sign up to the air force, they don’t expect me to be fully qualified to operate a fighter jet or whatever when I show up.
I’m not sure why we treat the NHS differently. I especially don’t understand having nursing so underpaid while requiring student nurses to take on student debt for the privilege (an absolute recipie for them leaving for anything better paid).
If there had been an option for free university if it lead to a job in the NHS (say maintenance and free tuition in exchange for X years service), I’d have taken it. Or even writing off student loans after ten years government service would be an incentive, some US government backed student loans can be forgiven this way.
Another one that grinds my gears is how lots of already underpaid NHS workers have to retake professional qualifications from time to time, but the NHS doesn’t cover the cost.
Lots of these things seem like easy fixes and sure, there’s a cost. However, feels like you end up paying more long term in low retention, high turnover and difficulties staffing (not to mention outright losing professionals with transferrable skills to higher paid work overseas).
If only there was a really simple way to stop this from happening /s
This implies that the NHS will still exist in 2036.
Just look at the private sector growth now. look at what you can on “buy now pay later” plans.
Our department always struggle to recuit. One factor is there is ao much red tape to hiring someone. From advert going out to them starting the job, its currently 7 months. Most people in that time who we hire find other better paid work so dont turn up for the job
Ooh was it a report that said ‘something could happen, perhaps, maybe one day’ or was it a leaked memo?
Did it come from a ‘think tank’?
How exciting!
Don’t worry the Tories have a plan. Make striking in the NHS illegal and sack anyone that tries it. Problem solved.
The new apprenticeship scheme is much better. People learn a lot more on the job skills as they are in one place their whole 3 years and fit in the team and spend a lot more time clinically but they also have university to get the side of new up to date knowledge and things that maybe aren’t picked up so much in clinical practice. They also get paid for it rather than taking on debt unfortunately trusts take on a lot more normal degree students due to agreements in place than apprenticeship students.
More needs to happen but hopefully leads to increasing people wanting to do these roles and being able to.
The NHS is terrible at retaining staff. We have had a large number of experienced staff leave in the past year, with at least five more of us planning to leave soon. We are already short-staffed and those of us remaining are under more pressure than ever, while our managers do nothing to help with the bench work or cover shifts. Training is also non-existent, although they promise us it will happen any day now, which makes it even harder to do our job properly. I loved the job when I started but five years have ground me down far too much.
It’s funny how CEOs, Directors and MPs always say that they need to be well paid to attract the best, but never apply that mantra when employing highly skilled staff, and wonder why they can’t recruit!
So they’re obviously not the best, as they can’t grasp that simple premise!
Band 5 nurse from my team left recently to private care. She was 1 year after uni with 15 years in care experience paid 27 000 with our team with this going to 32 000 in a year time. She got job doing easier work for 43 000 in private. Want to keep staff pay us right.
I have spend all weekend working with people who were suicidal. I was probably the only person they have spoken to if they make it through a weekend I don’t get a thank you. If I help 100 people and 1 completes successful suicide I will likely be under heavy scrutiny and investigation for 24 000 a year.
I have worked in both NHS and private. Care in NHS is whole different class better but pay in private is often 25 to as much as 50% more. We cannot sustain that
Just increase immigration numbers.and stop being racists
and they will still require 2,000,000 new non clinical managers