Soon we will get back k to man with a red flag walking on front of a car.
> safeguard the environment for future generations
Is this at all supported by evidence?
I’d imagine you’d get a lot of people never going higher than 2nd gear, else you’d stall the car…
Longer journeys, in a lower gear, with higher revs.
Doesn’t sound very eco-friendly to me.
Anyway.
You forgot the “No New Roads” policy that basically is what it says. Improvements, yes. But no new roads.
Oh OK, high revs in lower gear – yep that will be good for environment. Just another step in making drivers unwelcome, drip by drip – just come and ban cars instead of this social engineering nonsense.
wait until the cyclists road rage shouting for the cars to move out the way
Asssholes! They put 2 fucking speed bumps on the only road between my village and the main town, and get this, right where several regional councillors live, no doubt to increase the value of their properties as opposed to safety. They even built a reinforced concrete wall there too. Fucking corruption if you ask me.
When I saw the work I thought “great, they’re creating some new parking so that those, who previously parked directly outside their houses, would have better and safer parking and the main road no longer has to narrow down to 1 lane. Nope! Now they have a fortress wall on a straight road and force us down to 5-10 mph to get home. 4-5 councillors living in in between the speed restrictions surely had nothing to do with it!
Don’t get me wrong I can appreciate these speed bumps by schools or on a residential coldly sack, but a main flipping road for some councillors?
I noticed a lot of theses 20mph residential zones already in the areas between Swansea and Llanelli but seems like they’re going mega with it. Interesting debate to be had over this…
The Welsh Government drive (no pun intended) me mad with their speed limit meddling.
There’s a long section of the M4 which is permanently limited to 50mph just as you get off the Prince of Wales Bridge. Despite being a totally normal, functional stretch of motorway which should by all rights be 70.
It’s nonsense.
What kinds of cars are people driving? “High rpm low gears hurr hurr” bro 20mph in 2nd is like 2000 or less rpm depending on weather you drive an auto or manual. In my poxy car it’s like 1700 rpm. Plus you can coast in 3rd gear at at 20mph which is like 1100 rpm. I can even go 20mph in 4th on a flat road at <1000 rpm. Auto cars will be in a better position since they tend to have more gears to choose from. A lot of people exposing the fact that they’ve never looked at their Speedo and tachometer before because they want something to be mad about.
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Tell me you’re from South Wales without telling me you’re from South Wales.
As an Englander who often ventures into Powys and Gwynedd, there’s absolutely no chance people will stick with this.
Dont really care if this is rhe speed limit in towns/cities tbh, as long as they dont fk with our national speed limit zones
All of my part of Cardiff has been 20 for a year now, apart from one or two busier roads. Pointless, almost everyone still does 25-30, I try to go close to 20 but half the time you’ll have traffic up your arse in a few seconds and the roads just don’t need to be 20. Large wide roads, sometimes with two lanes and no traffic in a non residential area…..20mph. Wasting everyone’s time, if it was adhered to in the first place, police don’t care as whenever I see one they don’t care when they are overtaken by a car doing 30+.
Unenforceable and will be widely ignored I bet. No reason for modern cars to be limited to 20mph on an A road or B road in urban areas. 30 is perfectly convenient and safe and that’s why it’s adopted across the world as the default urban limit.
But this gets praise from the fuck cars crowd that seem to have infected the devolved government in Wales.
wales scraps infrastructure projects
wales imposes 20mph limit.
wales has a breadbasket economy
Making it even more difficult to live in Wales… Great.
Tbh, particularly in my area in south wales… as a bus driver – the sheer amount of idiots that speed is shocking. I’m talking 50 in 30s etc or racing around blind spots.
People bomb it at 40 around roundabouts and then throw a tiff when they have to break for a slow moving vehicle that has just pulled out.
I’ve had to call the police numerous times for incidents and I usually ask them in casual chit chat if they are busy and i’ve had a few tell me that they can barely cope with demand.
I probably spend more time driving in a week then the average person does in 4 months. However I personally think if they are making the speed limits 20mph then the punishment for doing 40mph in a 20mph should be the same as a 50mph in a 30mph.
only 1/3 of people actually signal too, if people want to just do what the fuck they want then they cant really moan when rules like this come into play.
Here is an idea ban SUVS. They are more dangerous to both other road users and pedestrians compared to other cars and are likely to result in more deaths.
Welsh speed limits are a joke and are being used to mask other pollution issues.
Drive through the 50 limit through Port Talbot which is apparently there because of the air quality, then look towards the coast at the giant, fuck off steel works bellowing out smoke and flames as far as you can see.
Not normally a single issue voter but this is something that many loose Welsh Labour my support.
Since they introduced it litteraly everyone speeds now.
Iiirc one of the “test” roads 98% were doing 30 or more.
The Welsh government will have failed to look at all the research on 20mph limits in the rest of the UK.
While they do show benefits of drivers doing 20mph, the key take home is that most drivers don’t do 20mph unless there is traffic calming infrastructure or visible speed enforcement.
Meaning they either need speed bumps/humps (statistically the most effective), narrowing, islands, plateaus, or permanent speed cameras.
But the problem they’re going to have is – no council in Wales has the money to add speed bumps every 60m along every street lit road. Plus that would be a right pain if you had to drive across speed bumps for miles upon miles. They could opt for speed cameras, but again how many can they really fit? And people will just learn their locations (or use Waze etc) and speed up once they’ve passed the cameras again.
Most roads in London are 20mph now but the evidence came out pretty clear that driver speeds only changed significantly on roads where there was some sort of enforcement.
Why has the Welsh government decided to declare war on drivers? First the no new roads anywhere forever police, now forcing people to crawl along at 20mph. Have they not noticed Wales is already difficult to travel around with dire public transport?
Wales, a country desperate for you to get rid of your cars but offers a very poor public transport system
I don’t even drive and I think this sounds ludicrous.
We need to replace 80+ years old politics with people at least in their 50s. Next thing we’ll see is parking spaces reserved for those walking trolleys.
What is it? Speed limits for the turtles lol? What are they even doing ?
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Soon we will get back k to man with a red flag walking on front of a car.
> safeguard the environment for future generations
Is this at all supported by evidence?
I’d imagine you’d get a lot of people never going higher than 2nd gear, else you’d stall the car…
Longer journeys, in a lower gear, with higher revs.
Doesn’t sound very eco-friendly to me.
Anyway.
You forgot the “No New Roads” policy that basically is what it says. Improvements, yes. But no new roads.
Oh OK, high revs in lower gear – yep that will be good for environment. Just another step in making drivers unwelcome, drip by drip – just come and ban cars instead of this social engineering nonsense.
wait until the cyclists road rage shouting for the cars to move out the way
Asssholes! They put 2 fucking speed bumps on the only road between my village and the main town, and get this, right where several regional councillors live, no doubt to increase the value of their properties as opposed to safety. They even built a reinforced concrete wall there too. Fucking corruption if you ask me.
When I saw the work I thought “great, they’re creating some new parking so that those, who previously parked directly outside their houses, would have better and safer parking and the main road no longer has to narrow down to 1 lane. Nope! Now they have a fortress wall on a straight road and force us down to 5-10 mph to get home. 4-5 councillors living in in between the speed restrictions surely had nothing to do with it!
Don’t get me wrong I can appreciate these speed bumps by schools or on a residential coldly sack, but a main flipping road for some councillors?
Edit: I got your back fellow countrymen [sigh the petition here](https://chng.it/ZcJFhjpt6m).
I noticed a lot of theses 20mph residential zones already in the areas between Swansea and Llanelli but seems like they’re going mega with it. Interesting debate to be had over this…
The Welsh Government drive (no pun intended) me mad with their speed limit meddling.
There’s a long section of the M4 which is permanently limited to 50mph just as you get off the Prince of Wales Bridge. Despite being a totally normal, functional stretch of motorway which should by all rights be 70.
It’s nonsense.
What kinds of cars are people driving? “High rpm low gears hurr hurr” bro 20mph in 2nd is like 2000 or less rpm depending on weather you drive an auto or manual. In my poxy car it’s like 1700 rpm. Plus you can coast in 3rd gear at at 20mph which is like 1100 rpm. I can even go 20mph in 4th on a flat road at <1000 rpm. Auto cars will be in a better position since they tend to have more gears to choose from. A lot of people exposing the fact that they’ve never looked at their Speedo and tachometer before because they want something to be mad about.
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Tell me you’re from South Wales without telling me you’re from South Wales.
As an Englander who often ventures into Powys and Gwynedd, there’s absolutely no chance people will stick with this.
Dont really care if this is rhe speed limit in towns/cities tbh, as long as they dont fk with our national speed limit zones
All of my part of Cardiff has been 20 for a year now, apart from one or two busier roads. Pointless, almost everyone still does 25-30, I try to go close to 20 but half the time you’ll have traffic up your arse in a few seconds and the roads just don’t need to be 20. Large wide roads, sometimes with two lanes and no traffic in a non residential area…..20mph. Wasting everyone’s time, if it was adhered to in the first place, police don’t care as whenever I see one they don’t care when they are overtaken by a car doing 30+.
Unenforceable and will be widely ignored I bet. No reason for modern cars to be limited to 20mph on an A road or B road in urban areas. 30 is perfectly convenient and safe and that’s why it’s adopted across the world as the default urban limit.
But this gets praise from the fuck cars crowd that seem to have infected the devolved government in Wales.
wales scraps infrastructure projects
wales imposes 20mph limit.
wales has a breadbasket economy
Making it even more difficult to live in Wales… Great.
Tbh, particularly in my area in south wales… as a bus driver – the sheer amount of idiots that speed is shocking. I’m talking 50 in 30s etc or racing around blind spots.
People bomb it at 40 around roundabouts and then throw a tiff when they have to break for a slow moving vehicle that has just pulled out.
I’ve had to call the police numerous times for incidents and I usually ask them in casual chit chat if they are busy and i’ve had a few tell me that they can barely cope with demand.
I probably spend more time driving in a week then the average person does in 4 months. However I personally think if they are making the speed limits 20mph then the punishment for doing 40mph in a 20mph should be the same as a 50mph in a 30mph.
only 1/3 of people actually signal too, if people want to just do what the fuck they want then they cant really moan when rules like this come into play.
Here is an idea ban SUVS. They are more dangerous to both other road users and pedestrians compared to other cars and are likely to result in more deaths.
Welsh speed limits are a joke and are being used to mask other pollution issues.
Drive through the 50 limit through Port Talbot which is apparently there because of the air quality, then look towards the coast at the giant, fuck off steel works bellowing out smoke and flames as far as you can see.
Not normally a single issue voter but this is something that many loose Welsh Labour my support.
Since they introduced it litteraly everyone speeds now.
Iiirc one of the “test” roads 98% were doing 30 or more.
The Welsh government will have failed to look at all the research on 20mph limits in the rest of the UK.
While they do show benefits of drivers doing 20mph, the key take home is that most drivers don’t do 20mph unless there is traffic calming infrastructure or visible speed enforcement.
Meaning they either need speed bumps/humps (statistically the most effective), narrowing, islands, plateaus, or permanent speed cameras.
But the problem they’re going to have is – no council in Wales has the money to add speed bumps every 60m along every street lit road. Plus that would be a right pain if you had to drive across speed bumps for miles upon miles. They could opt for speed cameras, but again how many can they really fit? And people will just learn their locations (or use Waze etc) and speed up once they’ve passed the cameras again.
Most roads in London are 20mph now but the evidence came out pretty clear that driver speeds only changed significantly on roads where there was some sort of enforcement.
Why has the Welsh government decided to declare war on drivers? First the no new roads anywhere forever police, now forcing people to crawl along at 20mph. Have they not noticed Wales is already difficult to travel around with dire public transport?
Wales, a country desperate for you to get rid of your cars but offers a very poor public transport system
I don’t even drive and I think this sounds ludicrous.
We need to replace 80+ years old politics with people at least in their 50s. Next thing we’ll see is parking spaces reserved for those walking trolleys.
What is it? Speed limits for the turtles lol? What are they even doing ?