>Office for National Statistics (ONS) figures for 2015, which found 35% of all Muslim women from 16 to 64 were in employment.
>About 2.6 million Muslims live in local authorities where more than one in 20 of the population aged 16 to 64 is unemployed, according to analysis of census data
If only roughly a third of Muslim women are in employment, then it’s not too surprising that about 1 in 20 in Muslim areas are unemployed, in fact one would think the unemployment rate would be even higher.
Doesn’t France also have this issue?
an eye opening article thanks. Some important bits highlighted below
>Working-age Muslims who were economically inactive were the most likely to be studying, at 13.8%, compared with 7.3% of the overall population. This cohort was also most likely to be looking after family and home, with 16.1% of economically inactive Muslims giving this reason
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>The study, published in the peer-reviewed Ethnic and Racial Studies journal, found discrimination towards Muslims and those perceived to be Muslim to be a significant barrier to them accessing work.
in Inner Cities/deprived areas….
>government must begin levelling up for young British Muslims by addressing key areas of concern such as health inequalities and access to higher education and housing, while also tackling barriers to securing and retaining employment.
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>Given a level playing field, the dynamism and sheer potential of young British Muslims will prove itself to be strategic national asset
Levelling up Poverty struck + Deprived areas would be a good idea for the UK anyway
…..unless their intention is to create American style Ghettos
Rather like the areas many of them have emigrated from, I wonder if there’s a link.
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Is it because a lot of the women don’t work, for cultural and religious reasons? I can’t remember the last time I was served by a female in an ‘Indian’ restaurant for example.
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If your parents or grandparents move somewhere where industrial jobs are (e.g mill towns) then those industries decline but by now your extended family is settled there, then you live in an area of high unemployment. Make sense that would apply to a lot of people of immigrant descent.
It goes without saying that men shouldn’t be telling women what they can and can’t do and I don’t know how the Guardian can write all this without even mentioning this elephant in the room, somehow they also make the implication that its the Government’s fault for not levelling up Muslim areas. The Muslim council then blames others for being ‘Islamophobic’ to Muslims that enter the workforce, i’m sorry but this is complete guff, how about some self-reflection for once.
I’m not really sure what this data shows. You can use it any way you like because it’s completely devoid of context and related data.
100% of people who breathe oxygen die. That’s a fact. But the two (death and oxygen) aren’t remotely related, so the fact is meaningless.
Do the areas have high unemployment because of their Muslim population? Why? What does that mean? What are the broader issues?
If the numbers are used to promote further study then fine. If they’re just used as “arguments” for pointless bigotry then it’s not helpful at all.
Sensitive topic… I’m not natively from UK but love it here, everything is hands down better than where I come from. I think the stats are this way because Muslims tend to live in areas with other Muslims. So they effectively live in an echo chamber of their culture, not really evolving much beyond that, especially in terms of women employment. If I had to live in an area where there would be an absolute majority of people from the same place as me, I would be miserable
You telling me 68% of my bros and sisters are chilling while I’m grinding this shiity job. Damn.
I work in the Bradford area but live elsewhere and yeah it’s unbelievable the amount of unemployed people there are just loitering around. A good chunk can’t even speak English which makes life harder for them
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My area of London is mostly Muslim population according to the surveys since the 80s, last one was 5 years ago but it’s quite clear.. Anyway, I think some people just try get free stuff and resell it as within the years I’ve lived here if you offer anything for free in a WhatsApp group it’s gone in 30 seconds but keep in mind this tower block/whatsapp group is leaseholders and renters paying a minimum 1400 per month plus 250 minimum service charge…. if yiu offer free stuff you might find it on Facebook market place along with other tat if you look.
Another dodgy income here is alot of social housing illegally rent out rooms on air b and b… its easier to tell with newer buildings such as the ones opposite which are a cheaper copy of our building….its a literal piss take as my tower block is opposite and our building is linked but we are made to basically cover their service charge aswell.. on spare room and air b and b they are putting up bedrooms for 100-250 a night, for example the balcony opposite mine is 3 Muslim girls, one is a kid so at school I’d hope, the other mid 20s or 30s who sits on the balcony chain smoking all day (literally it’s baffling and must he dull/expensive??) and the older woman who sits in the kitchen behind her or on the balcony staring at nothing… anyway, I figured out the flat number (aswell as other air b and bs in the building) via blue prints and found that it’s a 2-3 bed flat and they are renting one of the rooms on air b and b… its social housing so their rent is cheap/covered.. other than that there’s no way they are working as being sat on the balcony 18 hours a day then doing a night shift would make zero sense. Similarly I found out of other people using false documents and bank cqrds to rent flats, they rent them to air b and b people who in some cases absolutely destory the area (roadmen renting) again… what’s funny is that because these people get subsidised rent / other privileges they cannot be booted out for 6 months so even if they are illegally subletting with false docs/names they can still make thousands in profit then move on….
The only other income I think is made off grid is people knicking stuff from primark/tkmaxx/boots in our area and reselling… oh and alot of Muslim men (remember the majority of people here are Muslim anyway but just specifying) have shops which are kind of laundering in some form, one shop I found out after a year sold illegal blades, another you can get weed or coke from lol…
Actually 1 bonus money making scheme I found was peopl3 getting fake blue badges and then getting an assigned parking space from the council then renting for 25 per day..
I’ve reported these things to the council and building managers before but they really don’t give a toss.
Overall though this area is weird as it’s 50% shit and 50% nice, but even in the nicer bits I think there’s still unemployment but obviously the revenue is made how I stated…
Those were areas with high demand for labour before Thatcher destroyed the UKs industrial base. Not surprising a lot of immigrants and their descendants live there.
Why is this news. The vast majority of them come from 3rd world countries and have little or no education. Or they have qualifications that are not recognised here.
They have come here to give their children a better chance than they had.
Give it 20/30 years or so and these unemployment figures will drop as their children become workers and the 1st generation dies off or retires back home.
Then we’ll have a new bunch of immigrants who can’t find work.
Such is the way of the world.
This could get backlash but could it be that we appear as ‘unemployed’ to the officials but we actually work at our friend’s dad’s restaurant who knows how the system works. I have Muslim friends that do this so I don’t mean to appear like I’m pointing the finger.
68% of the poor live in areas of hight unemployment
According to the article, 95% of muslims are employed. That 5% unemployment rate isn’t far off the 3.7% national average, so I’m not really understanding the point of this article
This is relevant how plenty of Christians live in areas with high unemployment why is it important to single out Muslims
It’s quite a striking bar chart in the article, but apart from that there is no reason given for the difference. What are we supposed to take away from it? I have no idea. What is anyone supposed to do about it? Cynically, seems like a cash grab from special interest groups – “send money to this Muslim area. They obviously need it, look at the unemployment rate.” But without any further study the whole thing is a bit pointless in my opinion.
As an aside, it’s a terribly written article with %’s just vomited out with no explanation. Are those studying counted as unemployed? How about homemakers not looking for work? I would assume no on both counts, but it’s not very clear.
So who levelled up the Hindu/Sikh/Chinese/Buddhist/Jewish community exactly?
As they all seem to be doing fairly well in general. The Hindu and Sikh community are brown, exactly the same as the Muslim community.
Seems like the article is suggesting everybody chips in and helps the Muslims up.
How about help yourself up, like all the other communities.
Truly shocking!
It’s crazy I had to sign on for a month in-between work and the amount of people there who couldn’t even speak English…
Easy: Changed my Arab name to a European name. Now I get hired instead of my CV getting thrown into the bin. Same with housing applications and dating profiles.
Maybe 68% of Muslims in England and Wales don’t like working?
So what does this article even mean?
Muslims are hard done by because of low employment where they live?
Muslims are somehow responsible for the low employment?
I love how the mods are spinning more racist xenophobic headlines than ever.
I don’t get it, we’re told that there’s a worker shortage and we need more migration, but the last generation of migrants have high unemployment. Nothing is adding up here.
Sick of these headlines trying to stir shit and keep the focus away from the real issues like corrupt politicians and tax avoiding corporations.
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So how are they earning a living?
>Office for National Statistics (ONS) figures for 2015, which found 35% of all Muslim women from 16 to 64 were in employment.
>About 2.6 million Muslims live in local authorities where more than one in 20 of the population aged 16 to 64 is unemployed, according to analysis of census data
If only roughly a third of Muslim women are in employment, then it’s not too surprising that about 1 in 20 in Muslim areas are unemployed, in fact one would think the unemployment rate would be even higher.
Doesn’t France also have this issue?
an eye opening article thanks. Some important bits highlighted below
>Working-age Muslims who were economically inactive were the most likely to be studying, at 13.8%, compared with 7.3% of the overall population. This cohort was also most likely to be looking after family and home, with 16.1% of economically inactive Muslims giving this reason
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>The study, published in the peer-reviewed Ethnic and Racial Studies journal, found discrimination towards Muslims and those perceived to be Muslim to be a significant barrier to them accessing work.
in Inner Cities/deprived areas….
>government must begin levelling up for young British Muslims by addressing key areas of concern such as health inequalities and access to higher education and housing, while also tackling barriers to securing and retaining employment.
>
>Given a level playing field, the dynamism and sheer potential of young British Muslims will prove itself to be strategic national asset
Levelling up Poverty struck + Deprived areas would be a good idea for the UK anyway
…..unless their intention is to create American style Ghettos
Rather like the areas many of them have emigrated from, I wonder if there’s a link.
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Is it because a lot of the women don’t work, for cultural and religious reasons? I can’t remember the last time I was served by a female in an ‘Indian’ restaurant for example.
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If your parents or grandparents move somewhere where industrial jobs are (e.g mill towns) then those industries decline but by now your extended family is settled there, then you live in an area of high unemployment. Make sense that would apply to a lot of people of immigrant descent.
It goes without saying that men shouldn’t be telling women what they can and can’t do and I don’t know how the Guardian can write all this without even mentioning this elephant in the room, somehow they also make the implication that its the Government’s fault for not levelling up Muslim areas. The Muslim council then blames others for being ‘Islamophobic’ to Muslims that enter the workforce, i’m sorry but this is complete guff, how about some self-reflection for once.
I’m not really sure what this data shows. You can use it any way you like because it’s completely devoid of context and related data.
100% of people who breathe oxygen die. That’s a fact. But the two (death and oxygen) aren’t remotely related, so the fact is meaningless.
Do the areas have high unemployment because of their Muslim population? Why? What does that mean? What are the broader issues?
If the numbers are used to promote further study then fine. If they’re just used as “arguments” for pointless bigotry then it’s not helpful at all.
Sensitive topic… I’m not natively from UK but love it here, everything is hands down better than where I come from. I think the stats are this way because Muslims tend to live in areas with other Muslims. So they effectively live in an echo chamber of their culture, not really evolving much beyond that, especially in terms of women employment. If I had to live in an area where there would be an absolute majority of people from the same place as me, I would be miserable
You telling me 68% of my bros and sisters are chilling while I’m grinding this shiity job. Damn.
I work in the Bradford area but live elsewhere and yeah it’s unbelievable the amount of unemployed people there are just loitering around. A good chunk can’t even speak English which makes life harder for them
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My area of London is mostly Muslim population according to the surveys since the 80s, last one was 5 years ago but it’s quite clear.. Anyway, I think some people just try get free stuff and resell it as within the years I’ve lived here if you offer anything for free in a WhatsApp group it’s gone in 30 seconds but keep in mind this tower block/whatsapp group is leaseholders and renters paying a minimum 1400 per month plus 250 minimum service charge…. if yiu offer free stuff you might find it on Facebook market place along with other tat if you look.
Another dodgy income here is alot of social housing illegally rent out rooms on air b and b… its easier to tell with newer buildings such as the ones opposite which are a cheaper copy of our building….its a literal piss take as my tower block is opposite and our building is linked but we are made to basically cover their service charge aswell.. on spare room and air b and b they are putting up bedrooms for 100-250 a night, for example the balcony opposite mine is 3 Muslim girls, one is a kid so at school I’d hope, the other mid 20s or 30s who sits on the balcony chain smoking all day (literally it’s baffling and must he dull/expensive??) and the older woman who sits in the kitchen behind her or on the balcony staring at nothing… anyway, I figured out the flat number (aswell as other air b and bs in the building) via blue prints and found that it’s a 2-3 bed flat and they are renting one of the rooms on air b and b… its social housing so their rent is cheap/covered.. other than that there’s no way they are working as being sat on the balcony 18 hours a day then doing a night shift would make zero sense. Similarly I found out of other people using false documents and bank cqrds to rent flats, they rent them to air b and b people who in some cases absolutely destory the area (roadmen renting) again… what’s funny is that because these people get subsidised rent / other privileges they cannot be booted out for 6 months so even if they are illegally subletting with false docs/names they can still make thousands in profit then move on….
The only other income I think is made off grid is people knicking stuff from primark/tkmaxx/boots in our area and reselling… oh and alot of Muslim men (remember the majority of people here are Muslim anyway but just specifying) have shops which are kind of laundering in some form, one shop I found out after a year sold illegal blades, another you can get weed or coke from lol…
Actually 1 bonus money making scheme I found was peopl3 getting fake blue badges and then getting an assigned parking space from the council then renting for 25 per day..
I’ve reported these things to the council and building managers before but they really don’t give a toss.
Overall though this area is weird as it’s 50% shit and 50% nice, but even in the nicer bits I think there’s still unemployment but obviously the revenue is made how I stated…
Those were areas with high demand for labour before Thatcher destroyed the UKs industrial base. Not surprising a lot of immigrants and their descendants live there.
Why is this news. The vast majority of them come from 3rd world countries and have little or no education. Or they have qualifications that are not recognised here.
They have come here to give their children a better chance than they had.
Give it 20/30 years or so and these unemployment figures will drop as their children become workers and the 1st generation dies off or retires back home.
Then we’ll have a new bunch of immigrants who can’t find work.
Such is the way of the world.
This could get backlash but could it be that we appear as ‘unemployed’ to the officials but we actually work at our friend’s dad’s restaurant who knows how the system works. I have Muslim friends that do this so I don’t mean to appear like I’m pointing the finger.
68% of the poor live in areas of hight unemployment
According to the article, 95% of muslims are employed. That 5% unemployment rate isn’t far off the 3.7% national average, so I’m not really understanding the point of this article
This is relevant how plenty of Christians live in areas with high unemployment why is it important to single out Muslims
It’s quite a striking bar chart in the article, but apart from that there is no reason given for the difference. What are we supposed to take away from it? I have no idea. What is anyone supposed to do about it? Cynically, seems like a cash grab from special interest groups – “send money to this Muslim area. They obviously need it, look at the unemployment rate.” But without any further study the whole thing is a bit pointless in my opinion.
As an aside, it’s a terribly written article with %’s just vomited out with no explanation. Are those studying counted as unemployed? How about homemakers not looking for work? I would assume no on both counts, but it’s not very clear.
So who levelled up the Hindu/Sikh/Chinese/Buddhist/Jewish community exactly?
As they all seem to be doing fairly well in general. The Hindu and Sikh community are brown, exactly the same as the Muslim community.
Seems like the article is suggesting everybody chips in and helps the Muslims up.
How about help yourself up, like all the other communities.
Truly shocking!
It’s crazy I had to sign on for a month in-between work and the amount of people there who couldn’t even speak English…
Easy: Changed my Arab name to a European name. Now I get hired instead of my CV getting thrown into the bin. Same with housing applications and dating profiles.
Maybe 68% of Muslims in England and Wales don’t like working?
So what does this article even mean?
Muslims are hard done by because of low employment where they live?
Muslims are somehow responsible for the low employment?
I love how the mods are spinning more racist xenophobic headlines than ever.
I don’t get it, we’re told that there’s a worker shortage and we need more migration, but the last generation of migrants have high unemployment. Nothing is adding up here.
Sick of these headlines trying to stir shit and keep the focus away from the real issues like corrupt politicians and tax avoiding corporations.