Sexual harassment was already a crime, per the article.
This is the government trying to look good by passing a law that sounds nice but changes nothing.
> The private member’s bill will criminalise:
* Deliberately walking closely behind someone as they walk home at night
* Making obscene or aggressive comments towards a person in the street
* Making obscene or offensive gestures towards a person in the street
* Obstructing someone’s path
* Driving or riding a vehicle slowly near someone making a journey
Curious how they plan to gauge (and thereby prosecute) half of these:
I walk quickly, especially late at night as *I* don’t want to be out in the dark. So is it better to deliberately walk slower than you want to, at your own inconvenience, so any stranger in front of you isn’t aware…(?!) Or can you walk quickly and pass them, hoping that time when you’re near them isn’t considered aggressive?
Without witnesses or wearing a body-cam, how do you prove someone made obscene or aggressive comments or gestures towards you in the street?
What constitutes obstructing someone’s path? Sounds like it should be obvious but am I allowed to accuse the morons who try and pile onto trains before you’ve had a chance to get off them of this one?
Drive or riding a vehicle slowly… obviously that means not cruising along next to someone, leering at them through the window. But what if you’re stuck in traffic or lost and looking past them to see what road the next turning is? …and again, how on earth do you prove this happened after the fact?
I guess some of these are to make it easier to convict if there is proof, but they seem damn flimsy / prone to misinterpretation or misuse.
As a man, I am so happy I won’t constantly be harrased by women anymore. It will make walking around so much more relaxing ow those Mysandrists will be kept at bay.
This could provoke a furious reaction…
“But how will I know if I’m sexually harassing someone?”
“Men get sexually harassed too!”
“Women will lie about it!”
“I guess ‘approaching’ someone on the street is illegal now?”
Greg Clark is speaking nonsense the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 already makes imposing unwanted communications and contact upon a victim in a manner that could be expected to cause distress or fear in any reasonable person a criminal offence in England and Wales.
All this bill will do increased the punishment for men who commit certain acts of harassment will face as given the gender disparities in sentencing it is unlikely that women will be given the new harsher sentences and as shown by the ONS crime survey (As well as many other similar surveys from around the world.) men are much less likely to report being a victim of a sexual offence to anyone especially to the police.
1. Spend more improving education for young males around not harassing women in the street.
Or?
2. Make wishy washy legislation that is nearly impossible to enforce and then blame it on the police when the statistics for all these reports show them unsolved because of lack of evidence.
No comments restricted flair? Either I’m early or the mods have a lot more faith in people than I do.
I’m sure discussion will be completely reasonable here
This is stupid, just going to cost money and help no one. more laws to punish your average joe while the rich legally avoid tax.
So sexual harassment isn’t a crime if it takes place on the street?
Strange that a law is being made to protect women, who are less at risk of being attacked than men.
What will Kevin rowland and the dexys midnight runners do to get Eileen now though?
Well who’s going to nick them I literally can;t remember I saw a copper walking the streets, it has to be years.
This is complete garbage regulation and should be thrown out along with those who proposed it.
This will just be used by police as a way to crack down on civil disobedience and will be gamed by other bad actors.
This country is just bizarre.
One day it’ll be criminal to even look at a woman, let alone say hello, or even wink at.
The country is turning all the women into nuns.
Didn’t they all vote against making misogyny a hate crime?
> Deliberately walking closely behind someone as they walk home at night
Try walking away from a busy tube station *without* walking behind someone.
Criminal laws shouldn’t be written in such a catch-all vague manner
Is this the same government that covered up and ignored decades of Pakistani pedos gangr*ping young English girls?
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Sexual harassment was already a crime, per the article.
This is the government trying to look good by passing a law that sounds nice but changes nothing.
> The private member’s bill will criminalise:
* Deliberately walking closely behind someone as they walk home at night
* Making obscene or aggressive comments towards a person in the street
* Making obscene or offensive gestures towards a person in the street
* Obstructing someone’s path
* Driving or riding a vehicle slowly near someone making a journey
Curious how they plan to gauge (and thereby prosecute) half of these:
I walk quickly, especially late at night as *I* don’t want to be out in the dark. So is it better to deliberately walk slower than you want to, at your own inconvenience, so any stranger in front of you isn’t aware…(?!) Or can you walk quickly and pass them, hoping that time when you’re near them isn’t considered aggressive?
Without witnesses or wearing a body-cam, how do you prove someone made obscene or aggressive comments or gestures towards you in the street?
What constitutes obstructing someone’s path? Sounds like it should be obvious but am I allowed to accuse the morons who try and pile onto trains before you’ve had a chance to get off them of this one?
Drive or riding a vehicle slowly… obviously that means not cruising along next to someone, leering at them through the window. But what if you’re stuck in traffic or lost and looking past them to see what road the next turning is? …and again, how on earth do you prove this happened after the fact?
I guess some of these are to make it easier to convict if there is proof, but they seem damn flimsy / prone to misinterpretation or misuse.
As a man, I am so happy I won’t constantly be harrased by women anymore. It will make walking around so much more relaxing ow those Mysandrists will be kept at bay.
This could provoke a furious reaction…
“But how will I know if I’m sexually harassing someone?”
“Men get sexually harassed too!”
“Women will lie about it!”
“I guess ‘approaching’ someone on the street is illegal now?”
Greg Clark is speaking nonsense the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 already makes imposing unwanted communications and contact upon a victim in a manner that could be expected to cause distress or fear in any reasonable person a criminal offence in England and Wales.
All this bill will do increased the punishment for men who commit certain acts of harassment will face as given the gender disparities in sentencing it is unlikely that women will be given the new harsher sentences and as shown by the ONS crime survey (As well as many other similar surveys from around the world.) men are much less likely to report being a victim of a sexual offence to anyone especially to the police.
1. Spend more improving education for young males around not harassing women in the street.
Or?
2. Make wishy washy legislation that is nearly impossible to enforce and then blame it on the police when the statistics for all these reports show them unsolved because of lack of evidence.
No comments restricted flair? Either I’m early or the mods have a lot more faith in people than I do.
I’m sure discussion will be completely reasonable here
This is stupid, just going to cost money and help no one. more laws to punish your average joe while the rich legally avoid tax.
So sexual harassment isn’t a crime if it takes place on the street?
Strange that a law is being made to protect women, who are less at risk of being attacked than men.
What will Kevin rowland and the dexys midnight runners do to get Eileen now though?
Well who’s going to nick them I literally can;t remember I saw a copper walking the streets, it has to be years.
This is complete garbage regulation and should be thrown out along with those who proposed it.
This will just be used by police as a way to crack down on civil disobedience and will be gamed by other bad actors.
This country is just bizarre.
One day it’ll be criminal to even look at a woman, let alone say hello, or even wink at.
The country is turning all the women into nuns.
Didn’t they all vote against making misogyny a hate crime?
> Deliberately walking closely behind someone as they walk home at night
Try walking away from a busy tube station *without* walking behind someone.
Criminal laws shouldn’t be written in such a catch-all vague manner
Is this the same government that covered up and ignored decades of Pakistani pedos gangr*ping young English girls?