And become China’s followers? Fuck off Mackerel, you and your delusional asskissing.
Presumably Macron thinks that Biden is an idiot for getting involved in Russia’s invasion of a country halfway around the world with 1% of our GDP. What pathetic fools we must be.
What nobody takes you serioisly does to mf
Completely correct.
*cries in Englishman*
That Chinese boi did wonders to this Frenchie boi….We have no idea how nice he was to him, who are we to judge..
It’s alright let him talk, within a generation Poland’s military will be more capable than France’s…
A significant issue for Europe is that the US’s population is becoming less and less European and as such has less attachment to Europe. It might imply less eagerness from the US to get involved in and participating in finding a solution to European problems.
We’ve already seen it under Obama and his pivot to Asia or Trump who seems to see Europe as a liability more than as an ally. Increasingly it seems like Europe is just 20 000 voters in Pennsylvania away from a US administration that is indifferent at best and frankly hostile at worst. The US is an essential part of the help effort for Ukraine but they might not be around to help next time around.
Trying to maintain autonomy from both the US and China seems like a sensible move, not an easy one mind you with both exploiting European divisions.
Should we not follow the US in… Defending Europe?
i prefer being led by the americans than the french, that’s for sure.
> While sitting in the stateroom of his A330 aircraft in a hoodie with the words “French Tech” emblazoned on the chest, Macron claimed to have already “won the ideological battle on strategic autonomy” for Europe.
The amount of delusion this guy has is unbelievable. He still thinks France has the credibility, soft&hard power, and the economy to lead the EU toward strategic autonomy.
The man has learned literally nothing from the war in Ukraine.
Actually, I take that back. He learned exactly the wrong things.
He says Europeans cannot resolve the crisis (noticeably he didn’t say ‘war’) in Ukraine, so it should not try to do anything for Taiwan.
First, Europeans *could* resolve the war very quickly. The entire question is how much europeans are willing to sacrifice. Given that the answer seems to end at the life of European soldiers, that is a choice to limit what each country contributes. And even beyond life, most countries have not even given all that Ukraine has asked for. So Europeans *could* resolve the war, but instead *choose* not to go to that point. It’s a political decision that seems supported by most people, and that is fine. War is, after all, inherently a political endeavor. But Europeans should not confuse what countries choose to do with what the countries have the capability to do.
Second, the reason Russia started this war in the first place was because Putin thought he could get away with it with very few consequences. By not standing up to him before, he thought we would let him walk all over us again. He thought “the West” was weak and divided and would not be able to come together in a strong response. Now, Macron is saying that we should be divided and have different responses to a war in Taiwan. He is literally repeating the mistakes made before February 2022 instead of learning from the mistakes and attempting to do the opposite. The best way to prevent Europe from having to follow the US in a war in Taiwan is to not let a war in Taiwan happen in the first place. But Macron, being the genius he is, thought that since he was not able to use his silver tongue to get Xi to say he wouldn’t invade Taiwan that the war is inevitable. He pays no credence to the idea that war can be deterred by a strong and united front presenting an opposition to Xi’s plans. It may not change Xi’s mind, but it also doesn’t have to. All we have to do is maintain the status quo. If every day we deter China from invading, we could push back such an invasion until it’s no longer feasible. China is facing several internal crises. They will want to find an external enemy. As long as we can deter them long enough to force them to actually deal with their problems, they will realize that they would no longer be in position for a successful invasion. **That** is the best chance we have of avoiding war in Taiwan.
No one would need to follow America if you and Germany didn’t try to appease Russia for 14 years.
Europe should absolutely become autonomous, but it should absolutely not end the partnership with the USA or not point out the absolute authoritarian shitshow that China is.
Sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy…By deliberately trying to have a different strategy where none really exists, you end up handing power and leverage to anti-western regimes, thus forcing European countries to lean more towards America as a balance to their power. 🤷🤷🤷
Yes please. Carry your own weight.
Macron:
• Has one of the best military industries in the world, ignores Russian invasion of Ukraine. Then cries USA profits from it while Ukrainians sing songs to Turkish arms.
• Refuses to build pipeline from Spain because France does not need. Thus, disregarding interests of EU allies.
• Ignores russian business, lets Russians translate their propaganda via French satellites until French people go to court to try and stop it.
• Makes pointless calls to Putin.
• Tries to setup himself as negotiation middle man in Africa and fails to explain why would he be needed.
• Forces questionable reforms on people and tries to run away from results into foreign politics.
And now he cries about autonomy. Dude needs to review his actions and realise how much of a failure he is. Learn and improve. He needs redemption arc, he needs to show he is worth listening to, follow and trust. Show good results instead of daydreaming.
A very generous interpretation is that Macron is pointing out that the US is doing Europe’s job to protect Europe, and that Germany and others can’t reap the benefits of peace without committing resources to earn it. Europe needs the US, but both the US and Europe think that’s unsustainable. Europe will command more respect abroad when it looks more capable of standing on its own.
A cynical interpretation is that Macron wants to be the leader of a United States of Europe and is seizing the opportunity while Germany is dithering behind the winner of Continent’s Least Intimidating Chancellor contest, and, well, fat chance of that, Emmanuel.
Europe should be and is a world leader. You always have to have allies though and the USA often does lead in global conflict decisions based off of military size as they are the ones taking in the most risk in those conflicts. Europe would need to increase its military force to lead in those matters.
That’s not what this soundbite is about though. Macron pulled the oldest truck in the book- I did something really unpopular so instead of looking at me look at these other guys!
Macron has always called for Europe to be more its own leader as opposed to blindly just following the US. I don’t think he wants to end our strategic partnership, buts he’s absolutely correct in wanting the EU to be independent enough that we can do without the US.
Who will lead then? France which is borderline invisible during one of the biggest security crises in Europe? Germany which is hesitant to do anything because people might call them nazis? Or eastern Europe fully engulfed in culture wars against gays and other things that don’t matter coupled with their shit economies.
I fully agree that we shouldn’t blindly follow US, but Europe barely has a foreign policy to speak of, we’re extremely indecisive and risk averse and nobody wants to give up any “sovereignty” even if that means actually accomplishing something in the long run.
I was hoping Russian aggression would be a wake up call to everyone, unfortunately year later it seems like we’re back to stupid rhetoric and no action.
Honestly, I am begging that there will be more American influence in Europe over Macron’s influence…
Says the man who outsources the running of the country to Blackrock and Deloitte
And follow China?
Why not stop following both and become the poster boys for a peaceful democracy?
I’ve recently read an article about the role Poland and some other European countries are playing in the US view of Europe. The article highlighted the need for the US to strongly support countries like the UK, Poland and Hungary, in order to maintain a stong NATO and a strategically insignificant EU. This way the US could easily focus on countering the Chinese rising influence across the world, while “subcontracting” their roles against Russia to certain Eastern/Central European countries.
So what’s with the French and their perpetual hateboner for the Americans? You don’t see the Germans or the UK making such statements.
Well we are certainly not going to follow YOU either.
He is LePen’s best campaigner. And he expects people to keep him elected and thwart LePen? Freedom Fries time again. France would no more be able to defend itself from Russian, or Chinese, aggression without the United States than fly to the moon. Maybe his government should be renamed Vichy II. He should remember The Free French and what the Gestapo/SS did to their leaders. Macron should enlist in the Ukrainian Army and engage in battle with his friends, the Russians, on the front lines. He is acting like another Orban, LePen or Erdogan.
Holy shit like I was reading an article on our PM. You simply cannot “stay out” of a crisis if the outcome has major effects on your country. It is our crisis.
We aren’t as reliant on tech firms as the US, but China taking over Taiwan would have major effects on most industrial sectors. From automotive, through defense to consumer electronics. You don’t have to be a genius to recognize this.
Tell the workers of Renault, Peugeot, Citroen and Airbus and the suppliers of said companies that production in at a stop, because they have no chips to build into their products. Just like back in 2020 when chip production was reduced due to covid-19 measures. How many jobless people is that?
You cannot partner with China, because giving up their country is not an option to Taiwanese people. Even if China manages to take over Taiwan without causing damage to semiconductor manufacturing plants, they have no skilled workers to pilot the factories. They’ve been flushing horrendous amount of money (hundreds of billion dollars) into their own semiconductor industry, all for nothing.
What a fucking donkey and a coward.
No harm in “following America” in terms of their good ideas, just ditch the bad.
The French still have this weird illusion they are some great power. Autonomous europe means for guys like him a european federation led by France.
No thanks
Is it French to just automatically oppose the US? People in the US want Europe to be independent but at the moment it is not possible due to the confederation nature of the EU and the armed forces. So the US is there in the meantime because it is against US security interest for European countries to he swallowed up in the East.
This guys want the US out and then…whatever happens happens but as long as the US is out.
He is 100% right.
America is exyremely divided, with Trump doomed to ne a candidate until he dies, just like every extreme right candidate.
With that said, we have to really think about our (EU) military commitment
So you’d rather be Chinas puppet?
Well, dear Macron, you’re right but then we need a population who would be ready for this and is clear as the sun we’re not (just by reading the comments here you can tell).
Furthermore, that would mean having some kind of leverage on the US which we don’t have in fact the US ignored the Minsk deals with a big laugh.
We are a very long way to be even remotely ready to be autonomous.
He’s been hanging out with China suspiciously much the last 2 weeks
Not this shit again. First Russia now China. When will he learn?
Guys, just a heads up. There are a lot of burner accounts commenting here. Please be aware of this before taking rage bait. Europe and America are stronger together.
Europe and especially democratic nations needs to prioritize its own independence in my eyes. For to long have non democratic nations been bosses around by dictatorships, whether it be Qatar, Russia, China or many which have dominated our energy supply and imports.
A new time must come where we all work together to ensure we have energy security, and no longer need these nations, therefore allowing us our freedom, only being weakly dependent on these nations, and able to sanction them if we must, to ensure a global liberal democratic society, where those that are democratic are rewarded with more trade opportunities and cooperation, while those that are not liberal or democratic are punished with little trade and sanctions for the worst of them, to invade other nations.
America will always be one of Europe’s closest Allie’s, Macron can’t bow down to China, a nation looking to invade Taiwan, a liberal and democratic country that should be protected at all costs from them, lest we make the same mistake with Ukraine. We must show unity and create a strong alliance of nations all with the same interest – to destroy authoritarianism.
Looks like Macron is already singing the song of Xi.
And work for German and French wealth?
I think US is perfect counter weight for Eastern Europe to stop being exploited 🙂
Calling for autonomy when Ukraine is mainly defended by USA is ridicilous. EU need to win the war in Ukraine if we are gonna have any strategic autonomy going forwards.
But becoming (also) dependent on China (and other totalitarian regimes) business and industry is fine.
EU should strive for being self-sufficient, sure it is good and fair to engage in all fair trade, good faith bilateral relations, cultural exchanges and solidarity, but that is not what they are doing.
Turns out that not only marine was pro-russochina but both. That’s sad.
Lol i wonder how good Xi is at giving blowjobs. Because why Mr. Pretty Boy here babble such nonsense if he wasn’t sucked off fucking great by all our favourite Chinese whore.
WoW a shitty clickbait article from politico, I am so surprised.
Macron said that Europe should be it’s own voice and not being part of either the US or the Chinese Bloc. Which, obviously for some people with a very short memory here, is a bad thing.
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We should became France followers instead ! /s
And become China’s followers? Fuck off Mackerel, you and your delusional asskissing.
Presumably Macron thinks that Biden is an idiot for getting involved in Russia’s invasion of a country halfway around the world with 1% of our GDP. What pathetic fools we must be.
What nobody takes you serioisly does to mf
Completely correct.
*cries in Englishman*
That Chinese boi did wonders to this Frenchie boi….We have no idea how nice he was to him, who are we to judge..
It’s alright let him talk, within a generation Poland’s military will be more capable than France’s…
A significant issue for Europe is that the US’s population is becoming less and less European and as such has less attachment to Europe. It might imply less eagerness from the US to get involved in and participating in finding a solution to European problems.
We’ve already seen it under Obama and his pivot to Asia or Trump who seems to see Europe as a liability more than as an ally. Increasingly it seems like Europe is just 20 000 voters in Pennsylvania away from a US administration that is indifferent at best and frankly hostile at worst. The US is an essential part of the help effort for Ukraine but they might not be around to help next time around.
Trying to maintain autonomy from both the US and China seems like a sensible move, not an easy one mind you with both exploiting European divisions.
Should we not follow the US in… Defending Europe?
i prefer being led by the americans than the french, that’s for sure.
> While sitting in the stateroom of his A330 aircraft in a hoodie with the words “French Tech” emblazoned on the chest, Macron claimed to have already “won the ideological battle on strategic autonomy” for Europe.
The amount of delusion this guy has is unbelievable. He still thinks France has the credibility, soft&hard power, and the economy to lead the EU toward strategic autonomy.
The man has learned literally nothing from the war in Ukraine.
Actually, I take that back. He learned exactly the wrong things.
He says Europeans cannot resolve the crisis (noticeably he didn’t say ‘war’) in Ukraine, so it should not try to do anything for Taiwan.
First, Europeans *could* resolve the war very quickly. The entire question is how much europeans are willing to sacrifice. Given that the answer seems to end at the life of European soldiers, that is a choice to limit what each country contributes. And even beyond life, most countries have not even given all that Ukraine has asked for. So Europeans *could* resolve the war, but instead *choose* not to go to that point. It’s a political decision that seems supported by most people, and that is fine. War is, after all, inherently a political endeavor. But Europeans should not confuse what countries choose to do with what the countries have the capability to do.
Second, the reason Russia started this war in the first place was because Putin thought he could get away with it with very few consequences. By not standing up to him before, he thought we would let him walk all over us again. He thought “the West” was weak and divided and would not be able to come together in a strong response. Now, Macron is saying that we should be divided and have different responses to a war in Taiwan. He is literally repeating the mistakes made before February 2022 instead of learning from the mistakes and attempting to do the opposite. The best way to prevent Europe from having to follow the US in a war in Taiwan is to not let a war in Taiwan happen in the first place. But Macron, being the genius he is, thought that since he was not able to use his silver tongue to get Xi to say he wouldn’t invade Taiwan that the war is inevitable. He pays no credence to the idea that war can be deterred by a strong and united front presenting an opposition to Xi’s plans. It may not change Xi’s mind, but it also doesn’t have to. All we have to do is maintain the status quo. If every day we deter China from invading, we could push back such an invasion until it’s no longer feasible. China is facing several internal crises. They will want to find an external enemy. As long as we can deter them long enough to force them to actually deal with their problems, they will realize that they would no longer be in position for a successful invasion. **That** is the best chance we have of avoiding war in Taiwan.
No one would need to follow America if you and Germany didn’t try to appease Russia for 14 years.
Europe should absolutely become autonomous, but it should absolutely not end the partnership with the USA or not point out the absolute authoritarian shitshow that China is.
Sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy…By deliberately trying to have a different strategy where none really exists, you end up handing power and leverage to anti-western regimes, thus forcing European countries to lean more towards America as a balance to their power. 🤷🤷🤷
Yes please. Carry your own weight.
Macron:
• Has one of the best military industries in the world, ignores Russian invasion of Ukraine. Then cries USA profits from it while Ukrainians sing songs to Turkish arms.
• Refuses to build pipeline from Spain because France does not need. Thus, disregarding interests of EU allies.
• Ignores russian business, lets Russians translate their propaganda via French satellites until French people go to court to try and stop it.
• Makes pointless calls to Putin.
• Tries to setup himself as negotiation middle man in Africa and fails to explain why would he be needed.
• Forces questionable reforms on people and tries to run away from results into foreign politics.
And now he cries about autonomy. Dude needs to review his actions and realise how much of a failure he is. Learn and improve. He needs redemption arc, he needs to show he is worth listening to, follow and trust. Show good results instead of daydreaming.
A very generous interpretation is that Macron is pointing out that the US is doing Europe’s job to protect Europe, and that Germany and others can’t reap the benefits of peace without committing resources to earn it. Europe needs the US, but both the US and Europe think that’s unsustainable. Europe will command more respect abroad when it looks more capable of standing on its own.
A cynical interpretation is that Macron wants to be the leader of a United States of Europe and is seizing the opportunity while Germany is dithering behind the winner of Continent’s Least Intimidating Chancellor contest, and, well, fat chance of that, Emmanuel.
Europe should be and is a world leader. You always have to have allies though and the USA often does lead in global conflict decisions based off of military size as they are the ones taking in the most risk in those conflicts. Europe would need to increase its military force to lead in those matters.
That’s not what this soundbite is about though. Macron pulled the oldest truck in the book- I did something really unpopular so instead of looking at me look at these other guys!
Macron has always called for Europe to be more its own leader as opposed to blindly just following the US. I don’t think he wants to end our strategic partnership, buts he’s absolutely correct in wanting the EU to be independent enough that we can do without the US.
Who will lead then? France which is borderline invisible during one of the biggest security crises in Europe? Germany which is hesitant to do anything because people might call them nazis? Or eastern Europe fully engulfed in culture wars against gays and other things that don’t matter coupled with their shit economies.
I fully agree that we shouldn’t blindly follow US, but Europe barely has a foreign policy to speak of, we’re extremely indecisive and risk averse and nobody wants to give up any “sovereignty” even if that means actually accomplishing something in the long run.
I was hoping Russian aggression would be a wake up call to everyone, unfortunately year later it seems like we’re back to stupid rhetoric and no action.
Honestly, I am begging that there will be more American influence in Europe over Macron’s influence…
Says the man who outsources the running of the country to Blackrock and Deloitte
And follow China?
Why not stop following both and become the poster boys for a peaceful democracy?
I’ve recently read an article about the role Poland and some other European countries are playing in the US view of Europe. The article highlighted the need for the US to strongly support countries like the UK, Poland and Hungary, in order to maintain a stong NATO and a strategically insignificant EU. This way the US could easily focus on countering the Chinese rising influence across the world, while “subcontracting” their roles against Russia to certain Eastern/Central European countries.
So what’s with the French and their perpetual hateboner for the Americans? You don’t see the Germans or the UK making such statements.
Well we are certainly not going to follow YOU either.
He is LePen’s best campaigner. And he expects people to keep him elected and thwart LePen? Freedom Fries time again. France would no more be able to defend itself from Russian, or Chinese, aggression without the United States than fly to the moon. Maybe his government should be renamed Vichy II. He should remember The Free French and what the Gestapo/SS did to their leaders. Macron should enlist in the Ukrainian Army and engage in battle with his friends, the Russians, on the front lines. He is acting like another Orban, LePen or Erdogan.
Holy shit like I was reading an article on our PM. You simply cannot “stay out” of a crisis if the outcome has major effects on your country. It is our crisis.
We aren’t as reliant on tech firms as the US, but China taking over Taiwan would have major effects on most industrial sectors. From automotive, through defense to consumer electronics. You don’t have to be a genius to recognize this.
Tell the workers of Renault, Peugeot, Citroen and Airbus and the suppliers of said companies that production in at a stop, because they have no chips to build into their products. Just like back in 2020 when chip production was reduced due to covid-19 measures. How many jobless people is that?
You cannot partner with China, because giving up their country is not an option to Taiwanese people. Even if China manages to take over Taiwan without causing damage to semiconductor manufacturing plants, they have no skilled workers to pilot the factories. They’ve been flushing horrendous amount of money (hundreds of billion dollars) into their own semiconductor industry, all for nothing.
What a fucking donkey and a coward.
No harm in “following America” in terms of their good ideas, just ditch the bad.
The French still have this weird illusion they are some great power. Autonomous europe means for guys like him a european federation led by France.
No thanks
Is it French to just automatically oppose the US? People in the US want Europe to be independent but at the moment it is not possible due to the confederation nature of the EU and the armed forces. So the US is there in the meantime because it is against US security interest for European countries to he swallowed up in the East.
This guys want the US out and then…whatever happens happens but as long as the US is out.
He is 100% right.
America is exyremely divided, with Trump doomed to ne a candidate until he dies, just like every extreme right candidate.
With that said, we have to really think about our (EU) military commitment
So you’d rather be Chinas puppet?
Well, dear Macron, you’re right but then we need a population who would be ready for this and is clear as the sun we’re not (just by reading the comments here you can tell).
Furthermore, that would mean having some kind of leverage on the US which we don’t have in fact the US ignored the Minsk deals with a big laugh.
We are a very long way to be even remotely ready to be autonomous.
He’s been hanging out with China suspiciously much the last 2 weeks
Not this shit again. First Russia now China. When will he learn?
Guys, just a heads up. There are a lot of burner accounts commenting here. Please be aware of this before taking rage bait. Europe and America are stronger together.
Europe and especially democratic nations needs to prioritize its own independence in my eyes. For to long have non democratic nations been bosses around by dictatorships, whether it be Qatar, Russia, China or many which have dominated our energy supply and imports.
A new time must come where we all work together to ensure we have energy security, and no longer need these nations, therefore allowing us our freedom, only being weakly dependent on these nations, and able to sanction them if we must, to ensure a global liberal democratic society, where those that are democratic are rewarded with more trade opportunities and cooperation, while those that are not liberal or democratic are punished with little trade and sanctions for the worst of them, to invade other nations.
America will always be one of Europe’s closest Allie’s, Macron can’t bow down to China, a nation looking to invade Taiwan, a liberal and democratic country that should be protected at all costs from them, lest we make the same mistake with Ukraine. We must show unity and create a strong alliance of nations all with the same interest – to destroy authoritarianism.
Looks like Macron is already singing the song of Xi.
And work for German and French wealth?
I think US is perfect counter weight for Eastern Europe to stop being exploited 🙂
Calling for autonomy when Ukraine is mainly defended by USA is ridicilous. EU need to win the war in Ukraine if we are gonna have any strategic autonomy going forwards.
But becoming (also) dependent on China (and other totalitarian regimes) business and industry is fine.
EU should strive for being self-sufficient, sure it is good and fair to engage in all fair trade, good faith bilateral relations, cultural exchanges and solidarity, but that is not what they are doing.
Turns out that not only marine was pro-russochina but both. That’s sad.
Lol i wonder how good Xi is at giving blowjobs. Because why Mr. Pretty Boy here babble such nonsense if he wasn’t sucked off fucking great by all our favourite Chinese whore.
WoW a shitty clickbait article from politico, I am so surprised.
Macron said that Europe should be it’s own voice and not being part of either the US or the Chinese Bloc. Which, obviously for some people with a very short memory here, is a bad thing.