Don’t know why this was surprising, many people were shouting that mainstream media was clearly running interference around the time of Shamima Begum having her citizenship revoked.
It’s a *literal* international crime against humanity to intentionally make somebody stateless, and the government got half the country clapping for it like we’d just ended world terrorism.
Being made stateless is also, quite literally, referred to by the UN Human Rights Council as “Arbitrary deprivation of nationality”.
“According to The Guardian, the Home Office has said: “British citizenship is a privilege, not a right.”
Ehrm, no. Citizenship is a right which you can get in various ways (being born, naturalised etc.). Stripping someone of citizenship goes back to colonial times where criminals sent to colonies were banned from coming back.
The Conservative Party embraced the BNP and much of it’s ethos in order to get themselves into power.
There really needs to be more attention given to this racist shit that is brewing.
The government are basically making the punishment for crimes far greater on minorities than those with British since time immemorial ancestries.
And considering some of the fuzzy crimes out there…
Back to where she came from? Like London or somewhere? That is horrible!
If a person was born in the UK, they were raised in the UK culture and that is all they’ve known their whole life, why isn’t British enough when describing themselves?
> There are around six million people like me, with similar stories of being born and brought up here, working in the UK and classing themselves as British Pakistani – which, despite having Pakistani at the end of it, does not make the ‘British’ part of it any less credible – surely?
This isn’t True. There are about 1.2 million British Pakistani people in the UK as of 2011 (most recent available census). I think the six million is referring to the number British people with another citizenship. I’m sure it’s just bad writing and bad editing, but it would be nice if they checked the correct numbers.
When I was a teenager the BNP was becoming worrying popular, especially in my area. There would be masses of skinheads protesting outside of temporary housing for refugees and asylum seekers. I was called a different racist epithet practically every single day.
A popular BNP policy going around at the time was that anyone who wasn’t of European heritage would be deported to their ‘country of origin’. So while I was born and raised in the UK, I would be deported to Jamaica for not being white enough.
I’ve never felt closer to that time in my life than now. It’s ironic that the Tories have gotten a brown woman to push their xenophobic, racist agenda.
Is there any point in applying for a citizenship anymore?
Can the home office actually say that citizenship is a right? Isn’t it enshrined in human rights?
I was so confused for a second but then I remembered in Europe it’s different than Canada and the USA.
You don’t automatically get citizenship if you are born in the UK unlike Canada and America
The same gov that apologied profusely for being in-part responsible for the Windrush scandal?
They really don’t care about showing their racist colors. They need to go.
Hmm, so she comes from London? That’s awful, nobody should have to be “sent back” to London!
Why can’t Priti be sent back to where her family came from (India/Uganda)? It only seems fair, given that other immigrants born and raised British are facing the threats.
I feel as though this needs to doused in sarcasm, rather than a simple /s
My husband’s mother is from South Asia. My husband was born here, has always lived here, and has never visited the country his mum was born in. He also is fluent in English and Welsh, so two of the native languages of our country. He’s British.
But, if Priti Patel decides that he is a problem, then she can wipe him of his citizenship. Then she could decide that any of our children could be wiped of their citizenship, even though they are even ‘more British’ (whatever that means) than their father.
If I remember correctly, the definition of Jewish in Nazi Germany was anyone with one Jewish grandparent. And I know that this is not the same as the genocide perpetrated by the Nazis, but it’s definitely another massive step towards that level of fascism. They are ‘othering’ people who don’t fit the ‘British’ mould.
Fuck. This. Government. Fuck them all the way to hell, the fucking cunts.
I’m trying to get my Italian citizenship through jus sanguinis sorted (mother was an Italian citizen when I was born in 94, and naturalised British in 2000 for dual citizenship).
I was born in England to a British father and my Italian-citizen mother (originally Malaysian, but changed to Italian during her first marriage when neither recognised dual-citizenship – Malaysia still doesn’t). I currently only have a British passport.
I also speak out against the Tories a lot on Twitter.
On receiving my Italian citizenship or knowledge of my Italian citizenship being notified to the Home Office, I worry examples might be made out of people like me.
How about revoking citizenship for holding undisclosed meetings with senior Israeli govt and security officials and breaking ministerial code. That seems to me to be a perfect example of working against British national and diplomatic interests.
Daily reminder that the UK does not have birthright citizenship and that most of us get ours from having been born to British citizens.
My grandad fought in WWII for this country and subsequently got called here in the 50s to help rebuild the nation. He worked hard, bought his own house, paid his taxes and made a significant contribution to his local community. He acquired British citizenship through naturalisation and then sponsored the rest of his children and some extended family members who came here in the 70s. I believe it was a much easier process back then, but don’t quote me on that as I’m not 100% certain.
My parents made sincere efforts to learn the language and became fluent within a few years. In the late 70s, they became British citizens through naturalisation and got married shortly afterwards. I was born in the 80s and have only been to Pakistan on a few occasions, that too for maybe one or two weeks at a time. I hardly know the place, even though we all hold national identity cards to get visa free access to the country. I am not entirely sure how this new bill could affect me because my parents were British citizens at the time of my birth, however, I still feel extremely insecure about my citizenship. I have no idea where this country is headed and just feel very frustrated at this moment in time. I feel as though my family’s efforts and contributions towards this nation have gone to waste. I did struggle in the past with racist remarks from some insecure individuals, both online and in person, but learned to ignore them as I got older. This is because I realised I have nothing to prove to anyone nor do I need their validation stamps or votes to confirm how “British” I am.
Will this apply to people involved in northern ireland troubles? Will they also be stripped of citizenship. Or does this law apply only to brown people?
An idle thought: is Priti Patel seizing the powers to send people ‘back to where they came from’ in order to deport Boris Johnson to New York where he was born? Because that endangers her own position in society as she can be sent back to Uganda.
Well yknow they want ppl to live in fear,“For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone.”
Back to the oiu, it’s a bullshit racist confusing law.
Edit: think I meant back to the original point of the post
Where will they send u once stripped? Have they got deals with other countries to accept random people?
Actually fuck off, why isn’t this a bigger deal, she was born and raised here, she’s English ffs, i can’t with this county anymore.
I wish the public are more annoyed about this than those Christmas parties because this is actually terrifying
The only reason why I have my British Citizenship was because my dad was born in the UK before 1983 *NOT* because I was born in the UK
These rules are bullshit
Surprised I’ve seen so little talk about this bill. Entire front page of here was about the Christmas party and plan B. Too much going on to give everything the attention it deserves
Some rule after in the 80s I think a child born in the uk takes on the mothers Nationality if the parents are not married. So my daughter was born here but by law is an as Irish citizen. So she now has an Irish passport. So she ticks white Irish on the boxes
The only solace in all this, is technically, so can Priti Patel.
I hope a future Home Secretary dumps her on India or Uganda.
Does anyone else feel like Windrush wasn’t an accident, and they’re trying to make the next one legal?
Shit My ancestors came from Denmark on a longboat, in about 900 ad
Could someone who had always believed that they were British, by birth here, naturalised parents , worked and paid taxes for 30 yrs, whatever…..be stripped of their British nationality and end up with no nationality at all, or more importantly, no passport at all or does it only apply to people with dual nationality? You can’t leave someone with no nationality, can you?
Ummm. The Mrs has dual nationality which means I qualify through marriage. This mean I could be deported? Pretty sweet if so – I’ll come back when the UK has regained its sanity.
There are not many things i’d fight for when in comes to politics. This is one of those that i would.
Several of my friends are at risk of this
“But if I was white”. Here we fucking go again.
Nationality and race have nothing at all to do with each other. Fuck sake.
Regardless, yes, the government are being cunts again.
The UK has a two tiered citizenship. If you’re eligible or have another citizenship then you’re a second class British citizen
Being pedantic, but shouldn’t South Asian have both words starting with a capital? South Asian, East Asian, Western European, South American, North American, Eastern European etc?
So dual nationals need to be good people? Got yourself an Austrian or Irish passport? Bye bye.
Hmmm. What is the meaning of citizenship then? If y’all want to be able to chunk people out at any time, just don’t make them citizens in the first place.
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Don’t know why this was surprising, many people were shouting that mainstream media was clearly running interference around the time of Shamima Begum having her citizenship revoked.
It’s a *literal* international crime against humanity to intentionally make somebody stateless, and the government got half the country clapping for it like we’d just ended world terrorism.
Being made stateless is also, quite literally, referred to by the UN Human Rights Council as “Arbitrary deprivation of nationality”.
“According to The Guardian, the Home Office has said: “British citizenship is a privilege, not a right.”
Ehrm, no. Citizenship is a right which you can get in various ways (being born, naturalised etc.). Stripping someone of citizenship goes back to colonial times where criminals sent to colonies were banned from coming back.
The Conservative Party embraced the BNP and much of it’s ethos in order to get themselves into power.
There really needs to be more attention given to this racist shit that is brewing.
The government are basically making the punishment for crimes far greater on minorities than those with British since time immemorial ancestries.
And considering some of the fuzzy crimes out there…
Back to where she came from? Like London or somewhere? That is horrible!
If a person was born in the UK, they were raised in the UK culture and that is all they’ve known their whole life, why isn’t British enough when describing themselves?
> There are around six million people like me, with similar stories of being born and brought up here, working in the UK and classing themselves as British Pakistani – which, despite having Pakistani at the end of it, does not make the ‘British’ part of it any less credible – surely?
This isn’t True. There are about 1.2 million British Pakistani people in the UK as of 2011 (most recent available census). I think the six million is referring to the number British people with another citizenship. I’m sure it’s just bad writing and bad editing, but it would be nice if they checked the correct numbers.
When I was a teenager the BNP was becoming worrying popular, especially in my area. There would be masses of skinheads protesting outside of temporary housing for refugees and asylum seekers. I was called a different racist epithet practically every single day.
A popular BNP policy going around at the time was that anyone who wasn’t of European heritage would be deported to their ‘country of origin’. So while I was born and raised in the UK, I would be deported to Jamaica for not being white enough.
I’ve never felt closer to that time in my life than now. It’s ironic that the Tories have gotten a brown woman to push their xenophobic, racist agenda.
Is there any point in applying for a citizenship anymore?
Can the home office actually say that citizenship is a right? Isn’t it enshrined in human rights?
I was so confused for a second but then I remembered in Europe it’s different than Canada and the USA.
You don’t automatically get citizenship if you are born in the UK unlike Canada and America
The same gov that apologied profusely for being in-part responsible for the Windrush scandal?
They really don’t care about showing their racist colors. They need to go.
Hmm, so she comes from London? That’s awful, nobody should have to be “sent back” to London!
Why can’t Priti be sent back to where her family came from (India/Uganda)? It only seems fair, given that other immigrants born and raised British are facing the threats.
I feel as though this needs to doused in sarcasm, rather than a simple /s
My husband’s mother is from South Asia. My husband was born here, has always lived here, and has never visited the country his mum was born in. He also is fluent in English and Welsh, so two of the native languages of our country. He’s British.
But, if Priti Patel decides that he is a problem, then she can wipe him of his citizenship. Then she could decide that any of our children could be wiped of their citizenship, even though they are even ‘more British’ (whatever that means) than their father.
If I remember correctly, the definition of Jewish in Nazi Germany was anyone with one Jewish grandparent. And I know that this is not the same as the genocide perpetrated by the Nazis, but it’s definitely another massive step towards that level of fascism. They are ‘othering’ people who don’t fit the ‘British’ mould.
Fuck. This. Government. Fuck them all the way to hell, the fucking cunts.
I’m trying to get my Italian citizenship through jus sanguinis sorted (mother was an Italian citizen when I was born in 94, and naturalised British in 2000 for dual citizenship).
I was born in England to a British father and my Italian-citizen mother (originally Malaysian, but changed to Italian during her first marriage when neither recognised dual-citizenship – Malaysia still doesn’t). I currently only have a British passport.
I also speak out against the Tories a lot on Twitter.
On receiving my Italian citizenship or knowledge of my Italian citizenship being notified to the Home Office, I worry examples might be made out of people like me.
How about revoking citizenship for holding undisclosed meetings with senior Israeli govt and security officials and breaking ministerial code. That seems to me to be a perfect example of working against British national and diplomatic interests.
Daily reminder that the UK does not have birthright citizenship and that most of us get ours from having been born to British citizens.
My grandad fought in WWII for this country and subsequently got called here in the 50s to help rebuild the nation. He worked hard, bought his own house, paid his taxes and made a significant contribution to his local community. He acquired British citizenship through naturalisation and then sponsored the rest of his children and some extended family members who came here in the 70s. I believe it was a much easier process back then, but don’t quote me on that as I’m not 100% certain.
My parents made sincere efforts to learn the language and became fluent within a few years. In the late 70s, they became British citizens through naturalisation and got married shortly afterwards. I was born in the 80s and have only been to Pakistan on a few occasions, that too for maybe one or two weeks at a time. I hardly know the place, even though we all hold national identity cards to get visa free access to the country. I am not entirely sure how this new bill could affect me because my parents were British citizens at the time of my birth, however, I still feel extremely insecure about my citizenship. I have no idea where this country is headed and just feel very frustrated at this moment in time. I feel as though my family’s efforts and contributions towards this nation have gone to waste. I did struggle in the past with racist remarks from some insecure individuals, both online and in person, but learned to ignore them as I got older. This is because I realised I have nothing to prove to anyone nor do I need their validation stamps or votes to confirm how “British” I am.
Will this apply to people involved in northern ireland troubles? Will they also be stripped of citizenship. Or does this law apply only to brown people?
An idle thought: is Priti Patel seizing the powers to send people ‘back to where they came from’ in order to deport Boris Johnson to New York where he was born? Because that endangers her own position in society as she can be sent back to Uganda.
Well yknow they want ppl to live in fear,“For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone.”
Back to the oiu, it’s a bullshit racist confusing law.
Edit: think I meant back to the original point of the post
Where will they send u once stripped? Have they got deals with other countries to accept random people?
Actually fuck off, why isn’t this a bigger deal, she was born and raised here, she’s English ffs, i can’t with this county anymore.
I wish the public are more annoyed about this than those Christmas parties because this is actually terrifying
The only reason why I have my British Citizenship was because my dad was born in the UK before 1983 *NOT* because I was born in the UK
These rules are bullshit
Surprised I’ve seen so little talk about this bill. Entire front page of here was about the Christmas party and plan B. Too much going on to give everything the attention it deserves
Some rule after in the 80s I think a child born in the uk takes on the mothers Nationality if the parents are not married. So my daughter was born here but by law is an as Irish citizen. So she now has an Irish passport. So she ticks white Irish on the boxes
The only solace in all this, is technically, so can Priti Patel.
I hope a future Home Secretary dumps her on India or Uganda.
Does anyone else feel like Windrush wasn’t an accident, and they’re trying to make the next one legal?
Shit My ancestors came from Denmark on a longboat, in about 900 ad
Could someone who had always believed that they were British, by birth here, naturalised parents , worked and paid taxes for 30 yrs, whatever…..be stripped of their British nationality and end up with no nationality at all, or more importantly, no passport at all or does it only apply to people with dual nationality? You can’t leave someone with no nationality, can you?
Ummm. The Mrs has dual nationality which means I qualify through marriage. This mean I could be deported? Pretty sweet if so – I’ll come back when the UK has regained its sanity.
There are not many things i’d fight for when in comes to politics. This is one of those that i would.
Several of my friends are at risk of this
“But if I was white”. Here we fucking go again.
Nationality and race have nothing at all to do with each other. Fuck sake.
Regardless, yes, the government are being cunts again.
The UK has a two tiered citizenship. If you’re eligible or have another citizenship then you’re a second class British citizen
Being pedantic, but shouldn’t South Asian have both words starting with a capital? South Asian, East Asian, Western European, South American, North American, Eastern European etc?
So dual nationals need to be good people? Got yourself an Austrian or Irish passport? Bye bye.
Hmmm. What is the meaning of citizenship then? If y’all want to be able to chunk people out at any time, just don’t make them citizens in the first place.