People in glasses should be careful who they throw stones at when going for negative personal attacks.
There’s circumstantial links sure, but.
“Starmer and CPS failed to build a case and prosecute Saville” do you trust him now?
Isn’t it refreshing to see labor on the offense? If they threw as much dirt then everyone would be able to take notice of what is actually going on with the state of affairs.
The Conservative government haven’t fixed anything, in fact it’s got demonstrably worse.
These Labour ads may be controversial but they’ve got people talking about them. Whatever the debate about accuracy etc it’s always the same conclusion. They just haven’t fixed anything, in fact it’s got demonstrably worse and people are talking about it.
I’m not against attacking failures but I wish there was also some sort of selling of what a positive future looks like.
> Shadow attorney general Emily Thornberry was asked on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme whether Labour could criticise the fact some adults convicted of child sexual abuse had not gone to prison, as Sir Keir had sat on the Sentencing Council in 2012 when the relevant guidelines were produced.
> Ms Thornberry said she “wasn’t in the meeting” when the guidelines were set and did not know if Sir Keir had objected at the time, but insisted that Labour’s default position was that anyone convicted of such crimes should go to prison.
They sure need an answer for that before doubling down. Otherwise, Starmer just plays himself.
When people want to vote for something different. They just see more of the same.
Torys and Labour seem to be in a race to the bottom.
The largest single vote will be the penis on the ballot paper.
Lol what a joke. Whatever the stats might be says nothing about his personal beliefs, which this ad is attacking. By the same logic Rishi doesn’t want small boat arrivals sent to Rwanda.
I’m not a Christian, but given that it’s Easter it would be apropos to quote the Bible here.
> For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?
*Matthew 16:26*
As a self-professed Laborite, I’m disappointed to see that the British Labour Party has decided to embrace the dark side of politics. Particularly when Labour can easily win without doing so.
They might as well be done with the pleasantries and just brand themselves as what they really are;
Tory-lite
This’ll probably make the Tories introduce the death penalty for adults convicted of child sex assaults. What would Labour do then? Will they say “if elected, we’ll torture the sex abusers before killing them”?
The race to appease right-wing voters is not going to end well.
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There’s so much that Sunak’s government can (and should) be criticised upon and, subsequently, so much that Labour can point out that they will put right. Who in Labour felt that the right idea was tabloid-level sensationalism and why is its leader firmly standing by it? Starmer should admit that this was a mistake. Instead he’s doubling down on this nasty gutter brand of politics that has already become mainstream within much of the right-wing discourse.
It’s like they want to continue the self-sabotage even after they’ve driven particular people out of the party and alienated so many others.
I hate this sort of thing in politics. Politics should be about policies and what the parties would do if voted into government. Instead it’s all smoke and mirrors and focussed on attacks rather than on actually selling a positive vision for the future.
They all do it. They’re all as bad as each other. But it’s so off-putting to me.
This is how he wants to motivate people to vote. Smh.
Very telling that this is framed as an ‘attack’ (implicit: aggressive, unwarranted) as opposed to what it is; a criticism strongly worded, based on Sunak and his party’s *documented actions*.
>”[Sir Keir] thinks the rights of criminals trump those of the law-abiding majority,”
Here’s the thing… until they’re convicted, they’re not criminals. So yes, their rights need to be upheld and defended, possibly even more so than people not in the dock. Because a lot of people are going to draw conclusions based on nothing but their own prejudice and what they are accused of.
Starmer has made a few wierd moves now – the attack ads, hiring that civil servant who did the johnson enquiry, and (arguable about whether this was a forced error) purging the left.
It’s possible the conservatives will lose the next election from themselves as the consequences of their mismanagement of the country bite, but I don’t think this guy is going to win it. Less vision more silence and now negativiy.
It is possible they will roll out a big visin when they are close enough to the election that it can’t get nicked.
Another poltician. That is all Starmer is. The flipside of Boris and still the same coin.
Starmer would win over many more voters if he campaigned on the basis of draining the Tory swamp and ensuring this political shitshow could never happen again.
You know when loads of people voted Trump thinking he’d lock up Hillary Clinton? I hope he does the same with the Tories but actually uses his expertise as a Crown prosecutor to bring huge corruption cases against them. We’re talking a whole team of investigators, forensic accountants and top-paid lawyers. I wouldn’t even mind my tax money being spent on this. A lot of Tory ministers should honestly be behind bars.
This guy is going to be responsible for 17 years of Tory governance.
I guess Rishi Sunak deserves some cred too for not screaming about how terrible he is at the loudest volume but Kier Starmer deserves all the accolades
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Of course the question then is “what would you do differently, keir?”
I’m yet to hear any kind of answer
Maybe Sunak could prove him wrong by actually doing the opposite the ads say?
He should have kept his head above this.
I know sometimes you have to do as others do to be competitive, but I don’t think this was one of those times.
Was a pretty disgraceful ad. By all means attack the tories on child abusers not going to prison, but to say the PM personally doesn’t think they should go to prison is libellous.
People banging on about positive vision. Stsrmer just needs to.come up with solutions to problems
Thing is, if you’re going to adopt such attacks as part of your political strategy, they need to hit hard and draw blood.
But you know what would work even better? Taking the piss of out of the Tories.
For example…
1. I’m voting Tory because I like visiting food banks.
2. I’m voting Tory because I feel we don’t pay anywhere enough for fuel and energy and I want to pay more for gas and electricity.
3. I’m voting Tory because they’re very good at finding scapegoats and blaming other people.
4. I’m voting Tory because I like living in pain being stuck on an NHS waiting list for months and months.
5. I’m voting Tory because I want to try out being street homeless.
6. I’m voting Tory because I like it when politicians lie to me.
7. I’m voting Tory because corporate profit is far more important than the sanctity of human life.
There’s plenty to mock and ridicule the Tories over given the fact they’ve been in power for so long.
Fighting just as dirty as your opponent is a great idea.
I can only pray the gamble Keir Starmer appears to be making by placing so much political capital in this controversial campaign does not fail and rebound on his party.
Wait. Did starmer just take a position on something?
Shame he was the director of prosecutions until 2013, which would mean, he was more responsible than Sunnak who wasn’t an MP until 2015..
Seriously Labour?
Man that should be easily leading over 13 years of disastrous Tory rule doubles down on shooting holes in his feet. It’s just incredible ineptitude when there’s an open goal right there.
Strikes everywhere and BBC is focusing on this? Tory propaganda machine.
And yes, Rishi Sunak doesn’t give a shit about child abusers, so the Ad is somewhat accurate though exaggerated
Sunak doesn’t care about anything unless it helps him get money or power. He literally employs bullies who abuse civil servants
I find it very disheartening that this is seemingly acceptable. It’s almost certain it because Rishi is our first BAME,POC, non Christian, global majority and Hindu prime minister and labour are aiming to get the white working class vote back that they lost last time.
They never would have tried this again Johnson. Or truss or may or Cameron who were all white.
If you stand for progress then you stand with Rishi.
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People in glasses should be careful who they throw stones at when going for negative personal attacks.
There’s circumstantial links sure, but.
“Starmer and CPS failed to build a case and prosecute Saville” do you trust him now?
Isn’t it refreshing to see labor on the offense? If they threw as much dirt then everyone would be able to take notice of what is actually going on with the state of affairs.
The Conservative government haven’t fixed anything, in fact it’s got demonstrably worse.
These Labour ads may be controversial but they’ve got people talking about them. Whatever the debate about accuracy etc it’s always the same conclusion. They just haven’t fixed anything, in fact it’s got demonstrably worse and people are talking about it.
I’m not against attacking failures but I wish there was also some sort of selling of what a positive future looks like.
> Shadow attorney general Emily Thornberry was asked on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme whether Labour could criticise the fact some adults convicted of child sexual abuse had not gone to prison, as Sir Keir had sat on the Sentencing Council in 2012 when the relevant guidelines were produced.
> Ms Thornberry said she “wasn’t in the meeting” when the guidelines were set and did not know if Sir Keir had objected at the time, but insisted that Labour’s default position was that anyone convicted of such crimes should go to prison.
They sure need an answer for that before doubling down. Otherwise, Starmer just plays himself.
When people want to vote for something different. They just see more of the same.
Torys and Labour seem to be in a race to the bottom.
The largest single vote will be the penis on the ballot paper.
Lol what a joke. Whatever the stats might be says nothing about his personal beliefs, which this ad is attacking. By the same logic Rishi doesn’t want small boat arrivals sent to Rwanda.
I’m not a Christian, but given that it’s Easter it would be apropos to quote the Bible here.
> For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?
*Matthew 16:26*
As a self-professed Laborite, I’m disappointed to see that the British Labour Party has decided to embrace the dark side of politics. Particularly when Labour can easily win without doing so.
They might as well be done with the pleasantries and just brand themselves as what they really are;
Tory-lite
This’ll probably make the Tories introduce the death penalty for adults convicted of child sex assaults. What would Labour do then? Will they say “if elected, we’ll torture the sex abusers before killing them”?
The race to appease right-wing voters is not going to end well.
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There’s so much that Sunak’s government can (and should) be criticised upon and, subsequently, so much that Labour can point out that they will put right. Who in Labour felt that the right idea was tabloid-level sensationalism and why is its leader firmly standing by it? Starmer should admit that this was a mistake. Instead he’s doubling down on this nasty gutter brand of politics that has already become mainstream within much of the right-wing discourse.
It’s like they want to continue the self-sabotage even after they’ve driven particular people out of the party and alienated so many others.
I hate this sort of thing in politics. Politics should be about policies and what the parties would do if voted into government. Instead it’s all smoke and mirrors and focussed on attacks rather than on actually selling a positive vision for the future.
They all do it. They’re all as bad as each other. But it’s so off-putting to me.
This is how he wants to motivate people to vote. Smh.
Very telling that this is framed as an ‘attack’ (implicit: aggressive, unwarranted) as opposed to what it is; a criticism strongly worded, based on Sunak and his party’s *documented actions*.
>”[Sir Keir] thinks the rights of criminals trump those of the law-abiding majority,”
Here’s the thing… until they’re convicted, they’re not criminals. So yes, their rights need to be upheld and defended, possibly even more so than people not in the dock. Because a lot of people are going to draw conclusions based on nothing but their own prejudice and what they are accused of.
Starmer has made a few wierd moves now – the attack ads, hiring that civil servant who did the johnson enquiry, and (arguable about whether this was a forced error) purging the left.
It’s possible the conservatives will lose the next election from themselves as the consequences of their mismanagement of the country bite, but I don’t think this guy is going to win it. Less vision more silence and now negativiy.
It is possible they will roll out a big visin when they are close enough to the election that it can’t get nicked.
Another poltician. That is all Starmer is. The flipside of Boris and still the same coin.
Starmer would win over many more voters if he campaigned on the basis of draining the Tory swamp and ensuring this political shitshow could never happen again.
You know when loads of people voted Trump thinking he’d lock up Hillary Clinton? I hope he does the same with the Tories but actually uses his expertise as a Crown prosecutor to bring huge corruption cases against them. We’re talking a whole team of investigators, forensic accountants and top-paid lawyers. I wouldn’t even mind my tax money being spent on this. A lot of Tory ministers should honestly be behind bars.
This guy is going to be responsible for 17 years of Tory governance.
I guess Rishi Sunak deserves some cred too for not screaming about how terrible he is at the loudest volume but Kier Starmer deserves all the accolades
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Of course the question then is “what would you do differently, keir?”
I’m yet to hear any kind of answer
Maybe Sunak could prove him wrong by actually doing the opposite the ads say?
He should have kept his head above this.
I know sometimes you have to do as others do to be competitive, but I don’t think this was one of those times.
Was a pretty disgraceful ad. By all means attack the tories on child abusers not going to prison, but to say the PM personally doesn’t think they should go to prison is libellous.
People banging on about positive vision. Stsrmer just needs to.come up with solutions to problems
Thing is, if you’re going to adopt such attacks as part of your political strategy, they need to hit hard and draw blood.
But you know what would work even better? Taking the piss of out of the Tories.
For example…
1. I’m voting Tory because I like visiting food banks.
2. I’m voting Tory because I feel we don’t pay anywhere enough for fuel and energy and I want to pay more for gas and electricity.
3. I’m voting Tory because they’re very good at finding scapegoats and blaming other people.
4. I’m voting Tory because I like living in pain being stuck on an NHS waiting list for months and months.
5. I’m voting Tory because I want to try out being street homeless.
6. I’m voting Tory because I like it when politicians lie to me.
7. I’m voting Tory because corporate profit is far more important than the sanctity of human life.
There’s plenty to mock and ridicule the Tories over given the fact they’ve been in power for so long.
Fighting just as dirty as your opponent is a great idea.
I can only pray the gamble Keir Starmer appears to be making by placing so much political capital in this controversial campaign does not fail and rebound on his party.
Wait. Did starmer just take a position on something?
Shame he was the director of prosecutions until 2013, which would mean, he was more responsible than Sunnak who wasn’t an MP until 2015..
Seriously Labour?
Man that should be easily leading over 13 years of disastrous Tory rule doubles down on shooting holes in his feet. It’s just incredible ineptitude when there’s an open goal right there.
Strikes everywhere and BBC is focusing on this? Tory propaganda machine.
And yes, Rishi Sunak doesn’t give a shit about child abusers, so the Ad is somewhat accurate though exaggerated
Sunak doesn’t care about anything unless it helps him get money or power. He literally employs bullies who abuse civil servants
I find it very disheartening that this is seemingly acceptable. It’s almost certain it because Rishi is our first BAME,POC, non Christian, global majority and Hindu prime minister and labour are aiming to get the white working class vote back that they lost last time.
They never would have tried this again Johnson. Or truss or may or Cameron who were all white.
If you stand for progress then you stand with Rishi.