Out of interest what health training or qualification does this guy have to tell us what will and will not work?
It’s complicated – you are required to be tested for HIV/Hep C if you perform exposure prone procedures. If you have titres for either, your ability to do those is removed as you present a risk to patients. But you cannot be fired – you may have to be redeployed. If you do not provide evidence of vaccination, you present a risk to patients. Therefore you should be redeployed. The French made vaccination mandatory and promptly lost a large chunk of their workforce altogether. I’m not sure mandatory vaccination is either legally possible nor is it practical if you end up losing HCWs altogether.
So, the fellow in charge of public health who is meant to be scientifically advised and appraised of the dangers being faced by the public *says that vaccines should be optional*.
There is something off about this picture. Perhaps the secretary could care to explain the lack of sincerity in his position.
Addendum; The science says we should be vaccinated. Deal with it.
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> Health Secretary says mandatory jabs “ethically wrong and wouldn’t work”
See, what he’s done there is he’s mixed up his analysis of mandatory jabs and his analysis of Boris Johnson.
I don’t think the government should be making these things mandatory, but at the same time people shouldn’t be burning down 5G masts taking horse wormer. We’re seeing a lot of weaponised idiocy around Covid that we’ve currently got no solution for.
And per the government report, it now lists are the jab deaths
I’m just impressed that a Tory was able to use the phrase “ethically wrong” while keeping a totally straight face.
How do you give someone a vaccine against their wishes without committing a crime against them?
It’s an interesting ethical question, however I would argue it is not wrong, as long as it is done with people’s interests at heart. The chances of a severe reaction are very low, so there will be a net benefit for the vast majority of people. Maybe it won’t work but we won’t know until we try, and the worst thing that will come of it is that we just vaccinated everyone.
What does our “health secretary” have to say about adding fluoride to our water?
im vaccinated but mandatory vaccines are a scary thought, should always have the final say on your own body, its the only thing you ever truely own
Does any thinking person seriously think that all our Covid problems are stemming from the 8% or so people who are unvaccinated, most of which now will still have antibodies and natural immunity.
Why infringe on people’s human rights when it will clearly accomplish absolutely nothing.
And so the cull in the guise of ‘freedom’ continues.
The unvaccinated are blocking ICU beds and are contributing to the NHS backlog because there aren’t enough beds for those needing other life saving treatments.
Genuinely curious if anyone who supports this bullshit can explain. They have admitted the vaccines ineffectiveness. They told us they had to build new hospitals due to high demand yet the hospitals were empty. And I personally still don’t know a single person who died from this shit.
Austria is planning mandatory COVID vaccinations. Under the proposals, there would be criminal fines of up to €3,600 on anyone over the age of 14 who refuses to be vaccinated. Honestly, I wouldn’t mind if a similar thing was done here.
Im not comfortable with a govt telling me I must get an injection.
Ill get every booster available but mandatory makes me uncomfortable.
How they gonna make me take the jabs? Surely if I resist it’s self defence? Or does it not count because of the “greater good” ? WHAT FUCKING WORLD AM I LIVING IN LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
I’d think the ‘soft’ option here would be to allow private businesses to dictate if they’ll allow unvaccinated people to access their services— primarily for the protection of their employees.
I don’t like the idea of mandatory vaccines because it sets a scary precedent about bodily autonomy and the state, but if companies like Tesco, Southern Rail or even people’s own employer made vaccination a condition of access/employment I think it would make the drive to get jabbed a lot more compelling…
Boosters have a what 20% efficacy rate on Omicron?
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Im going to pass grabbing a booster unless its built for the variant, its probably more dangerous to go to a jab center at this time for almost 0 gain.
Despite thinking antivaxers are dumb, I’m not sure I like the idea of mandatory jabs.
That said I think we all have a percentage of deaths caused by some virus that would make us change our minds on that. I mean, if we had something that killed 10% of people who caught it, or 30%, 50% etc, (ie: a number where when people see someone coughing in the streets they run for their lives) people’s minds would change. I guess most antivaxxers themselves at some point would be scared enough to get the vaccine anyway in such a hyperthetical situation.
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Out of interest what health training or qualification does this guy have to tell us what will and will not work?
It’s complicated – you are required to be tested for HIV/Hep C if you perform exposure prone procedures. If you have titres for either, your ability to do those is removed as you present a risk to patients. But you cannot be fired – you may have to be redeployed. If you do not provide evidence of vaccination, you present a risk to patients. Therefore you should be redeployed. The French made vaccination mandatory and promptly lost a large chunk of their workforce altogether. I’m not sure mandatory vaccination is either legally possible nor is it practical if you end up losing HCWs altogether.
So, the fellow in charge of public health who is meant to be scientifically advised and appraised of the dangers being faced by the public *says that vaccines should be optional*.
There is something off about this picture. Perhaps the secretary could care to explain the lack of sincerity in his position.
Addendum; The science says we should be vaccinated. Deal with it.
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> Health Secretary says mandatory jabs “ethically wrong and wouldn’t work”
See, what he’s done there is he’s mixed up his analysis of mandatory jabs and his analysis of Boris Johnson.
I don’t think the government should be making these things mandatory, but at the same time people shouldn’t be burning down 5G masts taking horse wormer. We’re seeing a lot of weaponised idiocy around Covid that we’ve currently got no solution for.
And per the government report, it now lists are the jab deaths
30 pages, though!
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1039817/Coronavirus_vaccine_-_summary_of_Yellow_Card_reporting_01.12.2021_FINAL_CLEARED__002_.pdf
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I’m just impressed that a Tory was able to use the phrase “ethically wrong” while keeping a totally straight face.
How do you give someone a vaccine against their wishes without committing a crime against them?
It’s an interesting ethical question, however I would argue it is not wrong, as long as it is done with people’s interests at heart. The chances of a severe reaction are very low, so there will be a net benefit for the vast majority of people. Maybe it won’t work but we won’t know until we try, and the worst thing that will come of it is that we just vaccinated everyone.
What does our “health secretary” have to say about adding fluoride to our water?
im vaccinated but mandatory vaccines are a scary thought, should always have the final say on your own body, its the only thing you ever truely own
Does any thinking person seriously think that all our Covid problems are stemming from the 8% or so people who are unvaccinated, most of which now will still have antibodies and natural immunity.
Why infringe on people’s human rights when it will clearly accomplish absolutely nothing.
And so the cull in the guise of ‘freedom’ continues.
The unvaccinated are blocking ICU beds and are contributing to the NHS backlog because there aren’t enough beds for those needing other life saving treatments.
Genuinely curious if anyone who supports this bullshit can explain. They have admitted the vaccines ineffectiveness. They told us they had to build new hospitals due to high demand yet the hospitals were empty. And I personally still don’t know a single person who died from this shit.
Austria is planning mandatory COVID vaccinations. Under the proposals, there would be criminal fines of up to €3,600 on anyone over the age of 14 who refuses to be vaccinated. Honestly, I wouldn’t mind if a similar thing was done here.
Im not comfortable with a govt telling me I must get an injection.
Ill get every booster available but mandatory makes me uncomfortable.
How they gonna make me take the jabs? Surely if I resist it’s self defence? Or does it not count because of the “greater good” ? WHAT FUCKING WORLD AM I LIVING IN LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
I’d think the ‘soft’ option here would be to allow private businesses to dictate if they’ll allow unvaccinated people to access their services— primarily for the protection of their employees.
I don’t like the idea of mandatory vaccines because it sets a scary precedent about bodily autonomy and the state, but if companies like Tesco, Southern Rail or even people’s own employer made vaccination a condition of access/employment I think it would make the drive to get jabbed a lot more compelling…
Boosters have a what 20% efficacy rate on Omicron?
​
Im going to pass grabbing a booster unless its built for the variant, its probably more dangerous to go to a jab center at this time for almost 0 gain.
Despite thinking antivaxers are dumb, I’m not sure I like the idea of mandatory jabs.
That said I think we all have a percentage of deaths caused by some virus that would make us change our minds on that. I mean, if we had something that killed 10% of people who caught it, or 30%, 50% etc, (ie: a number where when people see someone coughing in the streets they run for their lives) people’s minds would change. I guess most antivaxxers themselves at some point would be scared enough to get the vaccine anyway in such a hyperthetical situation.