Brilliant move by the Greens. Actually stopping climate change would be detrimental to their party.
Absolutely insane what decades of anti-nuclear propaganda have done
Even a majority of Germans is against shutting them down at this point (59% in the latest poll vs 34% in favor). It’s just silly when you’re already the country with the highest CO2 intensity in electricty consumption in all of western Europe.
There are idiotic moves and there is this..
…why have people stopped using reason?
Nuclear energy helps decarbonizing, it helps reducing smog and air pollution and it is a massive economic stimulator for fuck sake!
It’s the Greens at it again isn’t it…
The great paradox of 20th century: green parties have made the world less green and brought humas to the the verge of extinction.
Idiots
Even Greta Thunberg said that nuclear is a better choice than fossil specifically for those countries that already have it and have troubles switching to renewables (like germany), and no she didn’t “change idea” like journalist were saying while reporting her discussion about nuclear like a year or so ago, she was of this opinion even in 2019.
So more coal power stations to fill the void in the short term…
Europe has much more potential and the first that don’t want it are its people.
For years I tried to lessen my footprint and hardly eat meat, don’t own a car, don’t fly, buy recycled etc. Now they are turning on coal plants. Really what’s the point of trying
A great day for the French.
Well done greenoids
And next night, Olkiluoto 3, Europe’s biggest nuclear power plant starts it fully operational status in Finland.
What are you doing Deutchland?
Are you fucking retarded, Germany?
Dumbest move.
Whoever claims this phase-out of the last NPPs negatively affects the CO2-emissions: There is a study from the ifo-Institute (one of the usual economic research insituts in Germany) from last year (we had this debate last year, remember?), which concluded:
(Original)
>Laufzeitverlängerte Atomkraftwerke in Deutschland sparen nur geringe Mengen an Erdgas ein und behindern im Gegenzug mittelfristig den Ausbau der erneuerbaren Energien. Die Laufzeitverlängerungen führen somit nicht zu einem geringeren CO2-Ausstoß.
(Translation)
>Extending the operating lives of nuclear power plants in Germany only save small amounts of natural gas and, in return, hinder the expansion of renewable energies in the medium term. The lifetime extensions therefore do not lead to lower CO2 emissions.
So anyone arguing this would result in a 1:1 increase in CO2-emissions or similar seems to have a comfortably simple, but factually flawed world view.
Huge Mistake ! People will see when their electricity bill will rise.
It’s beyond my understanding how is it even possible that something as big as a state, with all the collective expertise of its people and all the time used for various consultations, is making such an utterly stupid, dumb decision.
Why. Just…. Why.
oh my popcorn is so ready for this thread
Era of coal. Praise germany, the poisoner of europe.
Germany also has cities shutting down public wifi because people are “electro sensitive”
So back to coal?
It’s not a new era; it’s an old era. They’re regressing
Idiotic. I just hope Germany will not drag other countries in this.
not sure what is funnier: the people ITT spreading BS about how “the Greens are turning to coal and killing our climate!” while it was the Conservatives who signed the exit into law post Fukushima, killed all plans for the desperately needed continued upkeep, released the energy companies from their long-term financial duties and at the same time turned the country away from (decentralized) renewables and towards (centralized) gas and coal plants, directly into the arm of Russia (much like in Austria, where the nationwide ban on nuclear power plants was the result of a political campaign by the Conservatives who wanted to damage the center-left government that actually built a fully functioning power plant that ended up being never taken into service, which of course never stopped any right-winger from spreading bullshit about the supposed responsibility from left-wing-green-communist treehuggers).
or
the people ITT who are still spreading all this nonsense about nuclear power plants being anything but incredibly expensive, taking forever to build, and being incredibly expensive and taking forever to dispose of at the end of their life cycle. guys, it’s over. 20 years to build a single reactor like Olkiluoto 3? this technology is dead.
This is a disgrace.
Idiots.
Nice, now our energy prices will be even higher because of these clowns
In the past 24 hours, Germany’s ***lowest*** production of CO2 for electricity was 255.07 tons/minute. Meanwhile, France’s ***highest*** production was 62.45 tons/ per minute.
edit: There are honorable mentions for doing better or being so minor of a consumer that it’s immaterial. Finland is about to crush with OL3 coming online tomorrow. Poland… y’all need help.
Insanity
Nuclear closing… yet we need to fight climate change. I don’t get it.
I am a numbers guy. Make a living with math. In terms of output/cost/long term usage/scalability nuclear wins almost all. Mathematically it makes no sense.
Like I am sorry, but as of now most western countries cannot meaningfully go green without doing some measure of nuclear. Like run the numbers. Especially when you check the energy profiles and energy resources most western countries are stuck with. To the exceptions of some tremendously gifted nations like America and Canada, most western countries need some nuclear to offset either weak solar profiles, or weak tidal energy or weak wind energy profiles.
This is by numbers suicide. The EU when it comes to energy policy has a maniacal member, Germany.
I can’t fathom why an otherwise very successful country like Germany keeps insisting on being wrong so much when it comes to energy production.
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Brilliant move by the Greens. Actually stopping climate change would be detrimental to their party.
Absolutely insane what decades of anti-nuclear propaganda have done
Even a majority of Germans is against shutting them down at this point (59% in the latest poll vs 34% in favor). It’s just silly when you’re already the country with the highest CO2 intensity in electricty consumption in all of western Europe.
There are idiotic moves and there is this..
…why have people stopped using reason?
Nuclear energy helps decarbonizing, it helps reducing smog and air pollution and it is a massive economic stimulator for fuck sake!
It’s the Greens at it again isn’t it…
The great paradox of 20th century: green parties have made the world less green and brought humas to the the verge of extinction.
Idiots
Even Greta Thunberg said that nuclear is a better choice than fossil specifically for those countries that already have it and have troubles switching to renewables (like germany), and no she didn’t “change idea” like journalist were saying while reporting her discussion about nuclear like a year or so ago, she was of this opinion even in 2019.
So more coal power stations to fill the void in the short term…
Europe has much more potential and the first that don’t want it are its people.
For years I tried to lessen my footprint and hardly eat meat, don’t own a car, don’t fly, buy recycled etc. Now they are turning on coal plants. Really what’s the point of trying
A great day for the French.
Well done greenoids
And next night, Olkiluoto 3, Europe’s biggest nuclear power plant starts it fully operational status in Finland.
What are you doing Deutchland?
Are you fucking retarded, Germany?
Dumbest move.
Whoever claims this phase-out of the last NPPs negatively affects the CO2-emissions: There is a study from the ifo-Institute (one of the usual economic research insituts in Germany) from last year (we had this debate last year, remember?), which concluded:
(Original)
>Laufzeitverlängerte Atomkraftwerke in Deutschland sparen nur geringe Mengen an Erdgas ein und behindern im Gegenzug mittelfristig den Ausbau der erneuerbaren Energien. Die Laufzeitverlängerungen führen somit nicht zu einem geringeren CO2-Ausstoß.
(Translation)
>Extending the operating lives of nuclear power plants in Germany only save small amounts of natural gas and, in return, hinder the expansion of renewable energies in the medium term. The lifetime extensions therefore do not lead to lower CO2 emissions.
So anyone arguing this would result in a 1:1 increase in CO2-emissions or similar seems to have a comfortably simple, but factually flawed world view.
Huge Mistake ! People will see when their electricity bill will rise.
It’s beyond my understanding how is it even possible that something as big as a state, with all the collective expertise of its people and all the time used for various consultations, is making such an utterly stupid, dumb decision.
Why. Just…. Why.
oh my popcorn is so ready for this thread
Era of coal. Praise germany, the poisoner of europe.
Germany also has cities shutting down public wifi because people are “electro sensitive”
So back to coal?
It’s not a new era; it’s an old era. They’re regressing
Idiotic. I just hope Germany will not drag other countries in this.
not sure what is funnier: the people ITT spreading BS about how “the Greens are turning to coal and killing our climate!” while it was the Conservatives who signed the exit into law post Fukushima, killed all plans for the desperately needed continued upkeep, released the energy companies from their long-term financial duties and at the same time turned the country away from (decentralized) renewables and towards (centralized) gas and coal plants, directly into the arm of Russia (much like in Austria, where the nationwide ban on nuclear power plants was the result of a political campaign by the Conservatives who wanted to damage the center-left government that actually built a fully functioning power plant that ended up being never taken into service, which of course never stopped any right-winger from spreading bullshit about the supposed responsibility from left-wing-green-communist treehuggers).
or
the people ITT who are still spreading all this nonsense about nuclear power plants being anything but incredibly expensive, taking forever to build, and being incredibly expensive and taking forever to dispose of at the end of their life cycle. guys, it’s over. 20 years to build a single reactor like Olkiluoto 3? this technology is dead.
This is a disgrace.
Idiots.
Nice, now our energy prices will be even higher because of these clowns
A new era of darkness and being cold.
That’s stupid.
[Thank you, France, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, and Latvia!](https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/FR?solar=false&remote=true&wind=false) Y’all still holding the line while everyone else makes excuses!
In the past 24 hours, Germany’s ***lowest*** production of CO2 for electricity was 255.07 tons/minute. Meanwhile, France’s ***highest*** production was 62.45 tons/ per minute.
edit: There are honorable mentions for doing better or being so minor of a consumer that it’s immaterial. Finland is about to crush with OL3 coming online tomorrow. Poland… y’all need help.
Insanity
Nuclear closing… yet we need to fight climate change. I don’t get it.
I am a numbers guy. Make a living with math. In terms of output/cost/long term usage/scalability nuclear wins almost all. Mathematically it makes no sense.
Like I am sorry, but as of now most western countries cannot meaningfully go green without doing some measure of nuclear. Like run the numbers. Especially when you check the energy profiles and energy resources most western countries are stuck with. To the exceptions of some tremendously gifted nations like America and Canada, most western countries need some nuclear to offset either weak solar profiles, or weak tidal energy or weak wind energy profiles.
This is by numbers suicide. The EU when it comes to energy policy has a maniacal member, Germany.
I can’t fathom why an otherwise very successful country like Germany keeps insisting on being wrong so much when it comes to energy production.
An era of brainrot and stupidity