Can’t he? Not saying it’s the right way, but… it’s Boris.
I mean honestly the current state says the opposite. Starmer just needs to sit back at the moment, the self sabotage of Tories is insane
I call him ‘20/20 Starmer’. All we hear from him is criticism of the government post some event. ‘They should have done this, they should have done that’.
Doesn’t fill me with confidence except on the ethics side where he would be much better than the incumbent (doesn’t take a lot). Corruption would be less, less serial lies.
How many of us could name the shadow cabinet? Where ARE they?
He absolutely can. But Keir Starmer won’t be up against Boris Johnson at the next GE so it’s a moot point.
The approach that Labour have been taking in making it all about Boris Johnson mirrors the approach of the right-wing media. I very much doubt that particular media want Labour to win.
The problem is its unlikely Johnson will be pm at the next Ge.
Waiting for him to fail would and is working.
But the tories know this too. They will replace him. And starmer needs to make a positive case for himself to prepare for this. He can’t rest on “I’m not Boris” when the other guy isn’t either.
Labour has been denuded to the point where the strategy to win consists of waiting for the Conservatives to demonstrate they are so egregiously unelectable it becomes impossible for a majority to vote for them.
The same strategy as the DNC has. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: If you want to see the future of politics in this country look over the Atlantic. One completely captured centre right opposition versus a party of wingnut radicals who have completely abandoned democracy.
Then maybe actually produce articles about labour policy and positioning instead of “labour member says something silly, is the party dying?” stuff. Would help a bit I wager.
Starmer’s handled this whole saga really well and it may mean that people start listening to him.
But he is going to have something to say beyond the tories being bad.
The tories will do everything they can to throw out *goodies* in the run up to an election. We’re already hearing rumours of 2% cuts in Income Tax. And historically, the ‘better the devil you know’ factor has worked massively in favour of incumbent governments.
This last week has been a good opportunity for Labour to get heard again, but they need to do something with that. 6% leads aren’t particularly impressive mid-Parliament.
What do you mean wait? it already seems like he’s fallen so hard he’s gotten brain damage
Wasn’t the position until a few weeks ago that “Keir Starmer can’t obtain a poll lead by simply waiting for Boris Johnson to fall on his face”?
Starmer’s has been a but of a disappointment to me, but I’d rather a disappointment with potential to win an election than any of the current, viable alternatives.
I see people constantly saying they don’t know what Labour stand for, unfortunately there is very little they can do if the media don’t print it.
Labour / Starmer have talked about what they would do about various different subjects countless times but it is never printed in tbe tabloid media or discussed at length on the BBC, Sky, ITV, Channel 5.
I’m not sure what exactly they want Labour / Starmer to do.
Boris will regain the poll lead as early as Christmas I reckon.
Nobody has any trust or confidence in Labour. Especially dull as dish water Starmer.
I would say probably most changes of government in history have been more due to the previous one fucking up than the new one doing anything particularly great. The insistence of some Labour supporters to “yeah but” every bit of good news Starmer gets is getting a bit pathetic.
As accomplished and articulate as he is he just lacks charisma and a connection to the commoner.
Has he said anything ‘concrete’ about building hundreds of thousands, if not millions of new cheap homes? People in general don’t want to be renters, they don’t want to see their ability to save for something better evaporate into the pockets of a landlord, whilst at the same time paying extortionate public transport costs just to get to their work.
This ‘Christmas party’ stuff might achieve a new Tory PM but it won’t achieve a Labour win, start talking about homes though and you’ll get interest from even your most die-hard detractors, even Corbyn didn’t talk about them, the best he came up with if i remember was free internet, it wasn’t enough.
Just a reminder, the inews is a stablemate of the Daily Mail and has a definite right-wing slant.
I’m pretty certain Keir Starmer actively shits himself every time Johnson starts falling behind. I don’t think Labour has ever had a leader more actively repelled by the concept of actually opposing the conservatives or attempting to become PM.
He’s just a wet flannel with too much sympathy for people who don’t deserve it.
Labour needs leader who can actually see the difference between being fair and giving advantage takers everything they need.
He’s not doing himself any favours by having a cerebrally challenged deputy.
Trouble is it’s quite unlikely we’ll see another snap election. Keir is therefore going to have to keep this momentum going until the next scheduled election, which won’t be until at least December 2024.
The big questions are a) can he? and b) what will things look like by then?
It’s absolutely possible Keir won’t be in the hot seat at that point. He doesn’t have to be.
Keir Starmer’s absolute inability to actually stand for anything at all is the reason I left labour after all these years. He thought that by sacrificing Corbyn and punishing the labour left he might be granted a reprieve by the right-wing press. But now that labour has been defanged, the press basically are free to ignore his existence.
He’s alienated the half of labour voters he thinks have no other option to try to get back a group that will never vote labour again.
His team have completely failed to actually be a functional opposition during possibly the largest crisis’ of our time and frankly there’s not really any coming back for him at this point. He’s a faceless middle manager in an age of personality politics.
He needs to show some fucking leadership. He was my MP when I lived in Kentishtown, and I can’t say he left too much of a memory. He accused Boris of lieing the other day, no shit. He needs to step outside this Boris bull shit and play a better game. He’ll always be Boris’s bitch unless he detaches and leads.
I think it’s time for the voters in the U.K. to be more open to the idea of a coalition government.
This has been his play from day 1. And it’s worked up to now.
I dunno I reckon Boris could make that happen all on his own
Damn it Keir, PROMISE TO REDUCE TAXES ACROSS THE BOARD, Slash em down you want my vote you need to pay for it.
Is Keir not just Tony Blair lite and was Tony Blair not just Margaret Thatcher lite?
Keir was never going to get a poll lead by simply waiting and keeping his powder dry.
Then he did.
Now that’s working, it’s vital we change strategy? How labour.
Look, I know this is boring. It’s whatever the opposite of inspiring is. But that’s what works. And we really need to NOT have another 5 years of bojo the clown. So please just bare with it.
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Can’t he? Not saying it’s the right way, but… it’s Boris.
I mean honestly the current state says the opposite. Starmer just needs to sit back at the moment, the self sabotage of Tories is insane
I call him ‘20/20 Starmer’. All we hear from him is criticism of the government post some event. ‘They should have done this, they should have done that’.
Doesn’t fill me with confidence except on the ethics side where he would be much better than the incumbent (doesn’t take a lot). Corruption would be less, less serial lies.
How many of us could name the shadow cabinet? Where ARE they?
He absolutely can. But Keir Starmer won’t be up against Boris Johnson at the next GE so it’s a moot point.
The approach that Labour have been taking in making it all about Boris Johnson mirrors the approach of the right-wing media. I very much doubt that particular media want Labour to win.
The problem is its unlikely Johnson will be pm at the next Ge.
Waiting for him to fail would and is working.
But the tories know this too. They will replace him. And starmer needs to make a positive case for himself to prepare for this. He can’t rest on “I’m not Boris” when the other guy isn’t either.
Just call Jess Phillips in to do some Foxman training – [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv-jD1Zf-84](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv-jD1Zf-84)
Labour has been denuded to the point where the strategy to win consists of waiting for the Conservatives to demonstrate they are so egregiously unelectable it becomes impossible for a majority to vote for them.
The same strategy as the DNC has. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: If you want to see the future of politics in this country look over the Atlantic. One completely captured centre right opposition versus a party of wingnut radicals who have completely abandoned democracy.
Then maybe actually produce articles about labour policy and positioning instead of “labour member says something silly, is the party dying?” stuff. Would help a bit I wager.
Starmer’s handled this whole saga really well and it may mean that people start listening to him.
But he is going to have something to say beyond the tories being bad.
The tories will do everything they can to throw out *goodies* in the run up to an election. We’re already hearing rumours of 2% cuts in Income Tax. And historically, the ‘better the devil you know’ factor has worked massively in favour of incumbent governments.
This last week has been a good opportunity for Labour to get heard again, but they need to do something with that. 6% leads aren’t particularly impressive mid-Parliament.
What do you mean wait? it already seems like he’s fallen so hard he’s gotten brain damage
Wasn’t the position until a few weeks ago that “Keir Starmer can’t obtain a poll lead by simply waiting for Boris Johnson to fall on his face”?
Starmer’s has been a but of a disappointment to me, but I’d rather a disappointment with potential to win an election than any of the current, viable alternatives.
I see people constantly saying they don’t know what Labour stand for, unfortunately there is very little they can do if the media don’t print it.
Labour / Starmer have talked about what they would do about various different subjects countless times but it is never printed in tbe tabloid media or discussed at length on the BBC, Sky, ITV, Channel 5.
I’m not sure what exactly they want Labour / Starmer to do.
Boris will regain the poll lead as early as Christmas I reckon.
Nobody has any trust or confidence in Labour. Especially dull as dish water Starmer.
I would say probably most changes of government in history have been more due to the previous one fucking up than the new one doing anything particularly great. The insistence of some Labour supporters to “yeah but” every bit of good news Starmer gets is getting a bit pathetic.
As accomplished and articulate as he is he just lacks charisma and a connection to the commoner.
Oppositions don’t win elections, governments lose them.
Has he said anything ‘concrete’ about building hundreds of thousands, if not millions of new cheap homes? People in general don’t want to be renters, they don’t want to see their ability to save for something better evaporate into the pockets of a landlord, whilst at the same time paying extortionate public transport costs just to get to their work.
This ‘Christmas party’ stuff might achieve a new Tory PM but it won’t achieve a Labour win, start talking about homes though and you’ll get interest from even your most die-hard detractors, even Corbyn didn’t talk about them, the best he came up with if i remember was free internet, it wasn’t enough.
Just a reminder, the inews is a stablemate of the Daily Mail and has a definite right-wing slant.
I’m pretty certain Keir Starmer actively shits himself every time Johnson starts falling behind. I don’t think Labour has ever had a leader more actively repelled by the concept of actually opposing the conservatives or attempting to become PM.
He’s just a wet flannel with too much sympathy for people who don’t deserve it.
Labour needs leader who can actually see the difference between being fair and giving advantage takers everything they need.
He’s not doing himself any favours by having a cerebrally challenged deputy.
Trouble is it’s quite unlikely we’ll see another snap election. Keir is therefore going to have to keep this momentum going until the next scheduled election, which won’t be until at least December 2024.
The big questions are a) can he? and b) what will things look like by then?
It’s absolutely possible Keir won’t be in the hot seat at that point. He doesn’t have to be.
Keir Starmer’s absolute inability to actually stand for anything at all is the reason I left labour after all these years. He thought that by sacrificing Corbyn and punishing the labour left he might be granted a reprieve by the right-wing press. But now that labour has been defanged, the press basically are free to ignore his existence.
He’s alienated the half of labour voters he thinks have no other option to try to get back a group that will never vote labour again.
His team have completely failed to actually be a functional opposition during possibly the largest crisis’ of our time and frankly there’s not really any coming back for him at this point. He’s a faceless middle manager in an age of personality politics.
He needs to show some fucking leadership. He was my MP when I lived in Kentishtown, and I can’t say he left too much of a memory. He accused Boris of lieing the other day, no shit. He needs to step outside this Boris bull shit and play a better game. He’ll always be Boris’s bitch unless he detaches and leads.
I think it’s time for the voters in the U.K. to be more open to the idea of a coalition government.
This has been his play from day 1. And it’s worked up to now.
I dunno I reckon Boris could make that happen all on his own
Damn it Keir, PROMISE TO REDUCE TAXES ACROSS THE BOARD, Slash em down you want my vote you need to pay for it.
Is Keir not just Tony Blair lite and was Tony Blair not just Margaret Thatcher lite?
Keir was never going to get a poll lead by simply waiting and keeping his powder dry.
Then he did.
Now that’s working, it’s vital we change strategy? How labour.
Look, I know this is boring. It’s whatever the opposite of inspiring is. But that’s what works. And we really need to NOT have another 5 years of bojo the clown. So please just bare with it.